A.L. Central Smack Talk 2014

[navamind]

Zimmer's still 22.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

you do know that the pitcher they draft 1st was 0-8 in college? thats 0-8, in college

they could have selected a much better, solid guy, unless they are going for the cheaper signability, then it would make sense.

This draft? Finnegan had a 2.07 ERA and a K/9 over 12. Yeah, this is exactly why a pitcher's W/L record is completely useless in the modern era.


*sees other posts*


Not that it really changes the point. Samardzija is proof that it doesn't matter.

 

[dougplayer]

Detroit 4-13 in their last 17

that means ???? still leading the Central. they played till October...in case you forgot..for Yankee fans...that's early very early October.... till the Tigers knock you out! word

 

[Fountain City Blues]

that means ???? still leading the Central. they played till October...in case you forgot..for Yankee fans...that's early very early October.... till the Tigers knock you out! word

Jason Vargas has a higher K/9 and low BB/9 than Verlander

 

[navamind]

Jason Vargas has a higher K/9 and low BB/9 than Verlander

Don't forget winning percentage!

 

[CSD]

ERA at 4??? That is above average when you factor the Tigers defense in.

Oh geez. Do I really need to teach baseball 101 here on the Hoop?

Errors do not affect a pitcher's ERA. A pitcher's final line for a game includes runs and earned runs. An 'unearned' run happens when the other team scores a run after your team commits an error on the field that would have ended the inning before the run scored.

An 'earned' run is given up by the pitcher all by himself. For example, a home run.

The Tigers defensive errors do not effect Verlander's ERA. And the Tigers D is average among AL teams.

Baltimore has the least amount of errors with 30.
Detroit has 36 errors, tied with the Yankees.
Cleveland has the most with 56 errors. Terrible.

Your lesson is complete, feel free to leave a shiny apple on my desk.

Maybe Jeter and his 3 foot range will stop the onslaught of groundballs our offense will send... Oh, the Yankees will just use a shift like they usually do just so they can make their shitty infield defense look defensible.

Just about all MLB teams use a shift. do you even watch baseball?

that means ???? still leading the Central. they played till October...in case you forgot..for Yankee fans...that's early very early October.... till the Tigers knock you out! word

Goes to show just how bad the AL Central is..

 

[navamind]

Oh geez. Do I really need to teach baseball 101 here on the Hoop?

Errors do not affect a pitcher's ERA. A pitcher's final line for a game includes runs and earned runs. An 'unearned' run happens when the other team scores a run after your team commits an error on the field that would have ended the inning before the run scored.

An 'earned' run is given up by the pitcher all by himself. For example, a home run.

The Tigers defensive errors do not effect Verlander's ERA. And the Tigers D is average among AL teams.

Baltimore has the least amount of errors with 30.
Detroit has 36 errors, tied with the Yankees.
Cleveland has the most with 56 errors. Terrible.

Your lesson is complete, feel free to leave a shiny apple on my desk.





Just about all MLB teams use a shift. do you even watch baseball?




Goes to show just how bad the AL Central is..

Errors and fielding percentage are terrible ways to gauge defense. You can't make errors on balls you don't get to. Tigers rank 23rd in UZR, 26th in plus/minus runs saved, 24th in DRS, and 20th in defensive efficiency.

Baseball Prospectus | Statistics | Custom Statistics Reports: Team Pitching

Major League Team Stats » 2014 » All Positions » Fielding Statistics | FanGraphs Baseball

 

[gandydancer]

Goes to show just how bad the AL Central is..

AL East . 147-151
AL Central 149-146

Do I have to teach you winning % 101

 

[da55bums]

Atlanta>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wash and its not even close How hard was it to draft Stras

Wasn't much harder to draft Mike Minor, lol, but I will give it to you Atl is another top pitcher drafting team, they seem to draft and develop pitching very well.

Stras, Drew Storen, Tommy Milone, Jordan Zimmerman, Ross Detwiler, Marco Estrada, and since we are including Zimmer, then Giolito

 

[da55bums]

Oh geez. Do I really need to teach baseball 101 here on the Hoop?

Errors do not affect a pitcher's ERA. A pitcher's final line for a game includes runs and earned runs. An 'unearned' run happens when the other team scores a run after your team commits an error on the field that would have ended the inning before the run scored.

An 'earned' run is given up by the pitcher all by himself. For example, a home run.

The Tigers defensive errors do not effect Verlander's ERA. And the Tigers D is average among AL teams.

Baltimore has the least amount of errors with 30.
Detroit has 36 errors, tied with the Yankees.
Cleveland has the most with 56 errors. Terrible.

Your lesson is complete, feel free to leave a shiny apple on my desk.





Just about all MLB teams use a shift. do you even watch baseball?




Goes to show just how bad the AL Central is..

Your kidding right, you saying you don't understand that a defense with no range can actually lead to more hits and more earned runs. I guess thats in 201 and you haven't got there yet.

 

[CSD]

Errors and fielding percentage are terrible ways to gauge defense. You can't make errors on balls you don't get to. Tigers rank 23rd in UZR, 26th in plus/minus runs saved, 24th in DRS, and 20th in defensive efficiency.

Baseball Prospectus | Statistics | Custom Statistics Reports: Team Pitching

Major League Team Stats » 2014 » All Positions » Fielding Statistics | FanGraphs Baseball

Mmmkay? All those cool stats you posted have nothing to do with the discussion. The Moose in left field blamed Verlander's high ERA on errors and I corrected him.

AL East . 147-151
AL Central 149-146

Do I have to teach you winning % 101

When did I say the East was better than the Central? They both suck.

 

[CSD]

Your kidding right, you saying you don't understand that a defense with no range can actually lead to more hits and more earned runs. I guess thats in 201 and you haven't got there yet.

So how did Verlander accomplish such a low ERA in recent years with pretty much the same D behind him?

Verlander is having a crappy season, accept it and don't pass blame on to the defense. That's a weak excuse folks.

 

[da55bums]

ERA at 4??? That is above average when you factor the Tigers defense in.

No, no he didn't, you put your own twist on it saying it was errors.

 

[da55bums]

oh, don't get me wrong, I think Verlander has sucked for almost 1 1/2 years compared to what he used to be....I actually blame women in his life, nothing to do with defense, lol

 

[CSD]

No, no he didn't, you put your own twist on it saying it was errors.

I didn't twist anything.

 

[navamind]

Mmmkay? All those cool stats you posted have nothing to do with the discussion. The Moose in left field blamed Verlander's high ERA on errors and I corrected him.





When did I say the East was better than the Central? They both suck.

Lolwut? He never said anything about errors.

ERA at 4??? That is above average when you factor the Tigers defense in.

He mentioned defense, and those stats I posted have plenty to do with defense.

kthxbai

 

[da55bums]

I didn't twist anything.

then take reading 101.

 

[Nosferatu]

Actually errors do have an affect on a pitchers ERA, it affects his pitch count which in turn could allow him to only go 6 innings instead of 7 which could affect his ERA.

 

[Nosferatu]

Love the Twins draft... A great SS of the future and some arms that can make batters miss instead of the pitch to contact guys Gardy has loved for years!

 

[broncosmitty]

Errors and fielding percentage are terrible ways to gauge defense. You can't make errors on balls you don't get to. Tigers rank 23rd in UZR, 26th in plus/minus runs saved, 24th in DRS, and 20th in defensive efficiency.

Baseball Prospectus | Statistics | Custom Statistics Reports: Team Pitching

Major League Team Stats » 2014 » All Positions » Fielding Statistics | FanGraphs Baseball

Before the skid they were something like 6th or 7th in defensive efficiency. But it's just the pitching.... yeah, nothing to do with below average defenders everywhere but center and second. (Torii Hunter isn't a very good outfielder anymore. He's not that bad, he's just not very good.)