8 Changes that I would like to see, prior to next game.

[Sharkinva]

He he does good against the jags will you give credit to where it is due? Sure I support the hell out of our starting QB, whoever it is, beck, rex, Jason, doesn't matter. But u seem to hate rg3 and I would kill u to support the guy

All things considered, a franchise QB is supposed to steam roll the Jags. And there is a difference between supporting and making excuses for. Apparently any one that questions RG3 is not a Redskins fan in your book.

If he does good against the Jags I will give him credit. But if he looks average and we win because of the defense and the Jags offense struggling which I expect, I already know many will be proclaiming Rg3's greatness once again.

 

[Blunt8384]

If they score 10 points or less and lose to the Jags what will you say then Martinez? When does it end. How many bad performances strung together can you stand?

 

[Sharkinva]

If they score 10 points or less and lose to the Jags what will you say then Martinez? When does it end. How many bad performances strung together can you stand?

We are dead last in points per game after week one. But its the defense and special teams fault we lost. After all, if we could have just held the texans to zero points on the road... we would have won that game.

 

[martinez]

If he starts forcing passes, blaming others and not sliding I will call him out on it. He can do a lot wrong, look at last year. but bitching about him every night after one average performance is uncalled for

 

[Sharkinva]

If he starts forcing passes, blaming others and not sliding I will call him out on it. He can do a lot wrong, look at last year. but bitching about him every night after one average performance is uncalled for

I reserve the right to be one of the few descenting voices considering that most of the fan base will defend him no matter what. And I dont think he needs to force passes, but when he misses wide open passes because he holds onto the ball too long. Takes sacks because once again he holds onto the ball too long, and costs points because he failed to make the right decision... I think its ok to point that out.

 

[martinez]

If they score 10 points or less and lose to the Jags what will you say then Martinez? When does it end. How many bad performances strung together can you stand?

idk did we fumble it in the red zone twice? And you guys seem to put 100% of the blame on rg3. Gruden himself said it was the offense, defense and the special teams. Why is everyone pissed at rg3 and no one pissed at gruden. He didn't run the ball enough. Paul fumbled. Special teams gave up a td. Defense played great but they didnt get turnovers or pressure fits. But no, its all rg3s fault

 

[martinez]

I reserve the right to be one of the few descenting voices considering that most of the fan base will defend him no matter what. And I dont think he needs to force passes, but when he misses wide open passes because he holds onto the ball too long. Takes sacks because once again he holds onto the ball too long, and costs points because he failed to make the right decision... I think its ok to point that out.

finally shark, your first fair argument since the game ended. I will give u these points. But if u start talking about the trade and jc again I wont even argue with you anymore

 

[Sharkinva]

idk did we fumble it in the red zone twice? And you guys seem to put 100% of the blame on rg3. Gruden himself said it was the offense, defense and the special teams. Why is everyone pissed at rg3 and no one pissed at gruden. He didn't run the ball enough. Paul fumbled. Special teams gave up a td. Defense played great but they didnt get turnovers or pressure fits. But no, its all rg3s fault

First off, I have thought Paul was a waste of a roster spot from the moment we drafted him. Secondly your "Franchis QB" Gets paid to put the team in position to score points and occasionally actually score points. I have said the loss wasnt all on Griffin. But when he puts up an average performance and all I hear is how he progressed, I have to ask... if Progression means you finally looked average... does that mean you sucked before?? Without the threat of his running, griffin has looked average. Sorry if I expect more than average from our "franchise" player.

 

[martinez]

He sucked last year, an average game is an improvement. Now lets see him keep improving and be a pro bowler again. Which means the offense is clicking and we are scoring 30 points a game. I know average doesn't impress anyone, not even me, but as long as he's getting better and better ill point that out.

 

[martinez]

As a 3-13 team with a new coach u have to be patient with the whole team. We all expected a slow start and now u are freaking out about it? We all knew the Houston game would be close and we are all predicting the jags game will too. That comes with that slow start we all predicted

 

[Stymietee]

Joe Gibbs won 3 SB's with 3 different QB's.....why?...because he and the organization knew the secret to winning was dominating both lines of scrimmage. You guys are arguing about the correct team, but your focus is misplaced. This organization since Mr. Snyder who claims to love it and now Mr. Allen who also claims to love it have absolutely failed to love this team and its' legions of fans for far too long.

Sure we can blame the cap hit or any number of factors for this, but honestly, how well did either side of the line of scrimmage do prior to any of that mess? No gentleman /ladies you don't deserve any better just as long as you continue to buy the tickets and gear. If you really want to boo this shit, let's be clear as to who the targets must be.

Now by some nonsensical measure, I could be deemed an observer and not a real fan, but to me real fans don't just demand excellence on Sundays, but also from those who are responsible for who and what we see on game days. I am not prepared to concede to mediocrity, I have seen excellence and believe me when I tell you that every team that has EVER won consistently in the NFL the formula has always been the same. Higher level skill players only complement the dominance at those lines.

 

[Sportster 72]

Joe Gibbs won 3 SB's with 3 different QB's.....why?...because he and the organization knew the secret to winning was dominating both lines of scrimmage. You guys are arguing about the correct team, but your focus is misplaced. This organization since Mr. Snyder who claims to love it and now Mr. Allen who also claims to love it have absolutely failed to love this team and its' legions of fans for far too long.

Sure we can blame the cap hit or any number of factors for this, but honestly, how well did either side of the line of scrimmage do prior to any of that mess? No gentleman /ladies you don't deserve any better just as long as you continue to buy the tickets and gear. If you really want to boo this shit, let's be clear as to who the targets must be.

Now by some nonsensical measure, I could be deemed an observer and not a real fan, but to me real fans don't just demand excellence on Sundays, but also from those who are responsible for who and what we see on game days. I am not prepared to concede to mediocrity, I have seen excellence and believe me when I tell you that every team that has EVER won consistently in the NFL the formula has always been the same. Higher level skill players only complement the dominance at those lines.

Joe Gibbs coached without a salary cap. Please tell me where we are going to get the money under the cap to sign two high level lineman?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

First off, I have thought Paul was a waste of a roster spot from the moment we drafted him. Secondly your "Franchis QB" Gets paid to put the team in position to score points and occasionally actually score points. I have said the loss wasnt all on Griffin. But when he puts up an average performance and all I hear is how he progressed, I have to ask... if Progression means you finally looked average... does that mean you sucked before?? Without the threat of his running, griffin has looked average. Sorry if I expect more than average from our "franchise" player.

You do realize that Paul is the only healthy TE on this roster capable of beating a LB right? Without Paul, who is in for a guy who is ALWAYS hurt, you have no TE options in the passing game and your playbook is totally fucked.

Dadi is right, you are like arguing with a teenager. You just can't let that trade go and can not realize that without RGIII this team has no QB and no hope. And one of those precious, picks probably ends up as Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I have never seen a Redskins fan base turn on a player like so many have turned on RGIII. It's both sad and disgusting, you have turned into Philly Fan and I never thought that was ever going to happen with our fans. And what exactly was his crime? Oh yeah, the team paid a ton to get him, he busted his ass to get back early, had an issue with his coach, he was not able to play like a superstar while still injured and he tweets. LMAO at that, have you even paid attention to what other players around the league are doing? Brandon Marshall has pulled a Ray Rice several times but Bears fans have not given him this sort of treatment. You make Philly Fan's treatment of McNabb look good by comparison, hope you are proud of yourself.

Get it through your heads boys. He is the best option and the best talent we have had here in decades. Those pimping Kirk Cousins are showing their ignorance. The only thing Kirk Cousins has gong for him is he is not named Robert Griffin. There is no stat in existence that would show that he is a better long term answer. NONE.

Of course Griff has things to improve on but, this just in, he hits what he throws at. That is what has killed so many players over the years, they miss guys. RGIII may need work on finding the right receiver, he has played in only 29 games by the way, but his passes for the most part are very accurate and that's kind of #1 on the QB job description.

 

[j_y19]

I have never seen a Redskins fan base turn on a player like so many have turned on RGIII. It's both sad and disgusting, you have turned into Philly Fan and I never thought that was ever going to happen with our fans. And what exactly was his crime? Oh yeah, the team paid a ton to get him, he busted his ass to get back early, had an issue with his coach, he was not able to play like a superstar while still injured and he tweets. LMAO at that, have you even paid attention to what other players around the league are doing? Brandon Marshall has pulled a Ray Rice several times but Bears fans have not given him this sort of treatment. You make Philly Fan's treatment of McNabb look good by comparison, hope you are proud of yourself.

Get it through your heads boys. He is the best option and the best talent we have had here in decades. Those pimping Kirk Cousins are showing their ignorance. The only thing Kirk Cousins has gong for him is he is not named Robert Griffin. There is no stat in existence that would show that he is a better long term answer. NONE.

Of course Griff has things to improve on but, this just in, he hits what he throws at. That is what has killed so many players over the years, they miss guys. RGIII may need work on finding the right receiver, he has played in only 29 games by the way, but his passes for the most part are very accurate and that's kind of #1 on the QB job description.

DGF, good post, but just as I chastised Shark for claiming that all posters wanted Polumbus benched, I have to call you out on your claim that the base has turned on him. What you see on this board is a few vocal RG3 haters, a bunch of concerned RG3 fans and then a handful of vocal RG3 apologists. The 2 ends dominate the conversation. In reality, most of us were RG3 fans after year one and then saw some of the antics he pulled off the field that raised our eyebrows. That was followed up with a subpar performance last year where he seemed to take no blame, which again increased our concern. But us, the mostly silent majority, are still pulling for Robert and he needs to prove himself. So we are critical but still supportive. Our support will not last forever, however.

You are new here so a bit of history. Shark, in his defense, was against the trade from day 1. The only one that I can remember being so vocal about it. He thought the price was too high. Then, after RG3s historic rookie year, he started to come around. But he soured quickly on Robert because of his actions that offseason. If I were a psychiatrist, I would say that it probably had to do with Sharks Marine background and how RG3 ignored his superiors and set himself apart from the unit. But I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night so I'm just guessing. Anyway, shark cannot get past the issues with RG3's personality and how a fewon this board coddle him and refuse to acknowledge that Robert was a big reason of our systemic failures last year. SO he has set expectations to where RG3 should be super QB day 1 and anything else is failure. Well, that's great, but look at history of some of the greatest QBs in the HOF and their first few years, they sucked. I don't care who you are or what was paid for you, playing QB in the NFL is a learning process that takes years for even the greats to get over. Compound that with the changing of coaches, schemes, and a devastating injury and that makes RG3s case even harder.

SO we are still in the development stage with RG3. We don't know if he will break through or not. So when some of us talk of progress, thats a good thing. He will not be a polished pocket passer immediately. He is going to hang onto the ball too long. Go back and look at some tape of Aikman or Peyton in their first few years. They were confused as all get out.

So Sharks position is extreme to one end and Dad's is extreme to the other where RG3's shit don't stink. Dad believes that if you say anything critical, you are not being a fan. Most of us are somewhere in the middle.

That's my take on the situation.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

If it were only Shark I would understand. But it's hardly only him and not limited to this board. I've gotten into it with posters on the Post site and others and I listen tot he local sport talk radio. I'm just tired of the ignorance. Again we have no other viable options so why not let this play our instead of a panic attack that puts a guy like Kirk Cousins into an open competition when he has done nothing to deserve it?

If we are Griffin apologists then what are the posters pimping Kirk Cousins? They have continued to excuse away his multiple bad performances and basing their assessment on a good game and a half and preseason. That is a complete double standard and a completely ignorant position IMO. Then or course Shark had the balls to post that he doesn't hate Griffin which of course is a total joke.

It's very frustrating to argue with people like that.

 

[j_y19]

If it were only Shark I would understand. But it's hardly only him and not limited to this board. I've gotten into it with posters on the Post site and others and I listen tot he local sport talk radio. I'm just tired of the ignorance. Again we have no other viable options so why not let this play our instead of a panic attack that puts a guy like Kirk Cousins into an open competition when he has done nothing to deserve it?

If we are Griffin apologists then what are the posters pimping Kirk Cousins? They have continued to excuse away his multiple bad performances and basing their assessment on a good game and a half and preseason. That is a complete double standard and a completely ignorant position IMO. Then or course Shark had the balls to post that he doesn't hate Griffin which of course is a total joke.

It's very frustrating to argue with people like that.

This is where I disagree with you. We don't know if Cousins is a viable option or not. Its unfair to judge him based on his very limited performances. Remember, he is also a young QB and should deserve the same learning curve as RG3. I can't really say that the 3 games at the end of that season last year was a fair test. This team had given up.

Having said this, I do believe that we have to let this RG3 thing play out to be sure. We should no more by mid season. IF he hasn't progressed (he doesn't have to be a league leader, just learning from his mistakes), then we need to think about plan B. Personally, I think we need to get back to where RG3 is a dual threat. That is who is is. He will never be Tom Brady. And Brady will never be him. RG3s greatness lies in creating havoc with the defense and then taking advantage of that havoc. The difference between Y1 and this year is that RG3 needs to have a sense of urgency when it comes to protecting himself. Of course, this requires RG3 to buy into this strategy, of which he has been reticent to do. But if I were Gruden, I'd say this is the offense. You either run it or take a seat.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

We've beaten this to death but it keeps coming up so why not? Again the only thing Cousins has shown to date is that he is not named Robert Griffin. Is the book closed on Cousins? Of course not. But to date we do know this:

He looks good in the pocket. This is because he has played in this type of system all his career, Griffin is still learning

His arm is not nearly as strong or accurate as Griffin's.

He has turned the ball over at a completely unacceptable rate. This is not new, he did it in college too. Games are won and lost by turnovers more than any other stat, see Sunday as an example.

He is not very mobile and never will be.

There is not one single passing stat that favors Cousins over the "disaster" that was Robert Griffin last year. Not one. And that does not even count the running ability of the 2.

His ceiling is very low. He was a 4th round pick who could have been had for a 2nd and no team was interested. And there are a lot of teams with bad QB situations

He had a golden opportunity to show what he had in the last 3 games and he crapped the bed. Again the other teams he faced were terrible and had also given up. To claim that his was the only team who had given up is yet another excuse for Cousins. He sure hadn't given up, these games were huge for him. And 7 turnovers in 3 games had nothing to do with his team "giving up", they were all on him.

He looked good in the pocket. And in preseason

Again is this the final assessment of Kirk Cousins? Of course not. But it sure isn't enough to warrant benching a guy with the ability and upside of Robert Griffin III.

 

[j_y19]

while everything you say is true, not to get into a cousins debate, his stats are no worse that Aikman's or Peyton's or Bradshaw or a myriad of other young QBs that went on to be pretty darn good. In fact they are better than many of those. My point being is if you are going to give latitude to RG3 for youth and learning to be an NFL QB, you have to give it to cousins also.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

while everything you say is true, not to get into a cousins debate, his stats are no worse that Aikman's or Peyton's or Bradshaw or a myriad of other young QBs that went on to be pretty darn good. In fact they are better than many of those. My point being is if you are going to give latitude to RG3 for youth and learning to be an NFL QB, you have to give it to cousins also.

And my point continues to be the Griffin haters are most definitely not giving Griffin this latitude but they are for Cousins. You are right, those QBs took time but they had upside. And so does Griffn, certainly more than Cousins. Any objective person should to see that. The rope fans gave the QBs above is exactly the rope that Griffin should be afforded. Instead Redskins fans are starting Facebook pages trashing the guy just 2 years after he threw just 5 picks his rookie season. How does that stack up against Aikmen and company? . This is the behavior of Philly Fan, not Redskins fans, and that is why I am so disappointed in our fans.

The bottom line is had they picked him with one #1 pick this entire discussion would be totally different. But the hate comes from the resentment of the investment and that is totally unfair to the player. As is the double standard applied to Griffin vs Cousins.