8 Changes that I would like to see, prior to next game.

[Darrell Green Fan]

I'll go ahead and continue the pile on because this post deserves it. Did you even watch the game or did you go in with a predetermined hate for RGIII that was confirmed by the final score? Because with this post you either didn't watch, don't know anything about football, or are just determined to hate on Griffin regardless of what actually happened on the field.

He was very accurate, at one point hitting 27 of 31. He threw passes the coaches determined were the correct plays giving what the defense was playing. Could have have played better? Of course. But saying he was "beyond terrible" tells me all I need to know about your football knowledge.

OK this post was a little strong Hey I"d been up since 4:30 and working on my 4th coffee refill. But it is frustrating to constantly argue with Redskins fans who continue to rag on Griffin without understanding the situation.

Still question this poster's knowledge but I could have been a bit nicer about it.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

OK this post was a little strong Hey I"d been up since 4:30 and working on my 4th coffee refill. But it is frustrating to constantly argue with Redskins fans who continue to rag on Griffin without understanding the situation.

Still question this poster's knowledge but I could have been a bit nicer about it.

Don't worry about it. Everyone is a bit frustrated & I can completely understand the overreaction by some. However - people must have short memories. The whole idea of knee jerk reactions (bench the QB, fire the coach, put in a new system, etc) are exactly the type of things that have ruined this team in the past.

As tough as it is - time for a little patience & a reality check. Sunday's game was very fluky. Let's see what happens moving forward & see if this team has indeed made progress in several areas. HTTR

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

However - people must have short memories. The whole idea of knee jerk reactions (bench the QB, fire the coach, put in a new system, etc) are exactly the type of things that have ruined this team in the past.

Great post and I hope everyone reads and understands it.

 

[Blunt8384]

Yes I watched the game I have had season tickets my whole life. Like most of you I used to lurk daily on the Eason messenger boars and read every article I could get my hands on. I played youth league, high school and college ball. I know what I'm talking about.

Griffens development was ruined by Snyder coddling him. Shanahan should have had full authority. The read option was in place to protect griffen and mask his deficiencies. Shanahan designed the offense around his unique skill set, putting him in a position to be successful. Now we are clearly trying to fit a square peg in a round hole but all these grasping fans are putting on their blinders.

Game 1- griffin was staring down his receivers. Getting them the ball late so receiver had no chance to make a football move because they were trapped between defender and the sideline. His windup and release were slow. His pocket presence was atrocious. The temp with witch he got the offense huddled and to the line of scrimmage and ball snapped was horrible. And on top of all this he doesn't even understand he's arogant and terrible. If the fans want to help him develope they should call for him to be benched because he needs a big slice of humble pie for him to have any chance to develope.

Point blank only chance for us to win this year is if griffen agrees to some read option as a bridge while he develops or he is benched for cousins.

You guys can say what you want. Even thou fit pisses me off it makes me chuckle. That being said you guys will get to see how cousins does with all the weapons this year because griffen will be injured by week 5.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Yes I watched the game I have had season tickets my whole life. Like most of you I used to lurk daily on the Eason messenger boars and read every article I could get my hands on. I played youth league, high school and college ball. I know what I'm talking about.

Griffens development was ruined by Snyder coddling him. Shanahan should have had full authority. The read option was in place to protect griffen and mask his deficiencies. Shanahan designed the offense around his unique skill set, putting him in a position to be successful. Now we are clearly trying to fit a square peg in a round hole but all these grasping fans are putting on their blinders.

Game 1- griffin was staring down his receivers. Getting them the ball late so receiver had no chance to make a football move because they were trapped between defender and the sideline. His windup and release were slow. His pocket presence was atrocious. The temp with witch he got the offense huddled and to the line of scrimmage and ball snapped was horrible. And on top of all this he doesn't even understand he's arogant and terrible. If the fans want to help him develope they should call for him to be benched because he needs a big slice of humble pie for him to have any chance to develope.

Point blank only chance for us to win this year is if griffen agrees to some read option as a bridge while he develops or he is benched for cousins.

You guys can say what you want. Even thou fit pisses me off it makes me chuckle. That being said you guys will get to see how cousins does with all the weapons this year because griffen will be injured by week 5.

The word is develop

How would you know he was getting the ball late and staring down receivers. Where you in Houston?

 

[Blunt8384]

The word is develop

How would you know he was getting the ball late and staring down receivers. Where you in Houston?

I could see it on TV dummy. He turns his head right, states down Jackson for 3 seconds then throws at Jackson. He did it over and over. Or he throws late to reed in the flat causing reed to get injured. On the pass thrown late to Roberts that was ruled out if bounds multiple receivers were open all day. It's more of the same crap from last year.

 

[Blunt8384]

You guys deserve the piss poor play and performance. You keep enabling griffen with support when what he needs is to be broken back down. He needs to go through a deconstruction to start over fresh and reinvent himself. He's never going to be able to run like he did before but that does not mean some designed runs would not be an effective tool to help keep defenses off balance and keep the chains moving while he tries to learn.

I don't feel sorry for him!

He ran the coach out of town and the irony is that If he had been humble and listened to the coach he probably would be wildly successful. Instead he was a coach killing primadonna. And don't even say Shanahan got griffen injured because as we all now know, Snyder was sniffing griffens jock so hard coach was put in a no win situation. He pulls griffen and they lose, griffen complains and becomes a cancer or he rolls the dice and lets griffen play and hope he doesn't get injured. Also lets no forget the big ass knee brace and how the doctors told everyone the knee would be fine as long as he wore the thing.

Griffen had the balls to blame the coach for his injury after he had stomped his feet like a brat and demanded that coach play him. What a joke. Last years nightmare is rolling over to this year.

I would rather lose with cousins then lose with griffen. If we are 1-5 I will be booing griffen off the field every chance I get. It might start this weekend. Cheers!

 

[j_y19]

Yes I watched the game I have had season tickets my whole life. Like most of you I used to lurk daily on the Eason messenger boars and read every article I could get my hands on. I played youth league, high school and college ball. I know what I'm talking about.

Griffens development was ruined by Snyder coddling him. Shanahan should have had full authority. The read option was in place to protect griffen and mask his deficiencies. Shanahan designed the offense around his unique skill set, putting him in a position to be successful. Now we are clearly trying to fit a square peg in a round hole but all these grasping fans are putting on their blinders.

Game 1- griffin was staring down his receivers. Getting them the ball late so receiver had no chance to make a football move because they were trapped between defender and the sideline. His windup and release were slow. His pocket presence was atrocious. The temp with witch he got the offense huddled and to the line of scrimmage and ball snapped was horrible. And on top of all this he doesn't even understand he's arogant and terrible. If the fans want to help him develope they should call for him to be benched because he needs a big slice of humble pie for him to have any chance to develope.

Point blank only chance for us to win this year is if griffen agrees to some read option as a bridge while he develops or he is benched for cousins.

You guys can say what you want. Even thou fit pisses me off it makes me chuckle. That being said you guys will get to see how cousins does with all the weapons this year because griffen will be injured by week 5.

Blunt, if you would have put this much detail into your original post, you probably wouldn't have been jumped on as much. Actually, I agree with some of what you say. First, let me clear something up.....its GRIFFIN, not griffen. I agree that he was staring down some receivers and was late with some throws. But these are the mistakes he can only cure by working through them. I also agree about Griffin's behavior after year 1 was suspect, at best. But that is water under the bridge. We can hope that he has learned from that fiasco and realized that he was culpable in some of it. But benching him now only delays the development and learning curve he must go through. I also agree that we need him to run some. The uniqueness of Griff is the combinational threat of both his legs and his arm. He will never be Peyton or Brady, or Luck for that matter. He needs to be RG3. A unique QB that can kill you multiple ways. My bet is that we start to see that. And when that happens, the defenses will start to open up. We need to figure out this year what we have in RG3. If we don't see significant improvement by years end, then we seriously need to consider other options. But it is way too early to make that analysis now.

 

[Blunt8384]

I just disagree with how this whole thing has been handled from the beginning and I had to listen to the media and everyone else coddle griffin and make excuses for him all of last year and I'm tired of it. Coddling is never what he needed. This is a guy that's not used to hearing the word NO. What he needs is to be boooed out of the stadium for a bad performance. He needs more pressure so he can start pressing back! No pressure no diamonds right?

 

[skinsdad62]

ok i am game he was coddled how again ?

was he coddled during the philly , dallas and seatle game running read option plays on one leg ?

was he coddled when he had to face a juggernaut opening nite with no snaps at all ?

no he must have been coddled when he was benched , right ?

Rg3 ran the Hc out of town because god knows shanny's stellar record deemed him as worthy

and of course KC record and performance in the regular season means he has won the job

i like KC , but he had a chance to sieze an opportunity and he didnt 0-3, 52.3 % 4 tds 7ints 58 qbr

now i know the party line is the team lost interest blah blah blah but so did the falcons , cowboys and giants so dont tell me at least 20 guys on last years team who didnt retire didnt have anything to play for

and after one game we have determined that Rg3 is a bust

 

[Blunt8384]

-The team has more weapons for Cousins this year, Roberts, Jackson, healthy Reed. He gets the ball out quicker and has a quick tempo..he gets the players back to the line of scrimmage with a sense of urgency to keep the defense on their heels. The team has play makers this year! We just need to get them the ball properly.

-It's pretty obvious Shanahan did not want to start griffin week one last year. Griffin had the "All In For Week One" campain! The brat got his way, he got on the field.

As for "Shanny's Stellar Record", The first two years he was strapped because of the salary cap penalty due to cerato and snyder paying through the nose for haynsworth and other bums. Mike was an adult and did not rush into picking just any old QB. He waited through two losing seasons and started to develop a program even though he was operating with a budget that only allowed him to shop for players at the thrift store. Then after the first two years he got smacked with a 36 million dollar salary cap penalty. 18 million dollars per year! That means he was fielding a team with a 15% operating budget disadvantage! Isn't it hard enough to win in the NFL? I would not expect any coach could win under those conditions. That's why what Mike accomplished in year 3 was so amazing!

Year 4 he had dissension with the QB. QB coming off of an injury. Had to continue to purge the roster of talent losing key special teamers like Lorenzo Alexander. Then when they lost the first few games and momentum on the season it was too much to overcome. They lost a lot of close games which was also pretty amazing given the circumstances (accept the KC game, but by then everyone had packed it in given the media swirl and speculation of the coach being fired).

THOSE ARE THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT MUST BE EXAMINED! SKINSDAD. you are making the same lazy claims as the media and avoiding the TRUTH!

HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FIRED WITHOUT BEING GIVEN A CHANCE TO STOCK A TEAM WITH TALENT OPERATING UNDER THE SAME SALARY CAP AS THE OTHER 32 TEAMS! WE LOST A GREAT COACH WHO WOULD HAVE BUILT A GREAT PROGRAM DUE TO AN IGNORANT MOB OF FANS AND MEDIA!

you guys are eating chicken shit and calling it chicken salad!

 

[skinsdad62]

-The team has more weapons for Cousins this year, Roberts, Jackson, healthy Reed. He gets the ball out quicker and has a quick tempo..he gets the players back to the line of scrimmage with a sense of urgency to keep the defense on their heels. The team has play makers this year! We just need to get them the ball properly.

-It's pretty obvious Shanahan did not want to start griffin week one last year. Griffin had the "All In For Week One" campain! The brat got his way, he got on the field.

As for "Shanny's Stellar Record", The first two years he was strapped because of the salary cap penalty due to cerato and snyder paying through the nose for haynsworth and other bums. Mike was an adult and did not rush into picking just any old QB. He waited through two losing seasons and started to develop a program even though he was operating with a budget that only allowed him to shop for players at the thrift store. Then after the first two years he got smacked with a 36 million dollar salary cap penalty. 18 million dollars per year! That means he was fielding a team with a 15% operating budget disadvantage! Isn't it hard enough to win in the NFL? I would not expect any coach could win under those conditions. That's why what Mike accomplished in year 3 was so amazing!

Year 4 he had dissension with the QB. QB coming off of an injury. Had to continue to purge the roster of talent losing key special teamers like Lorenzo Alexander. Then when they lost the first few games and momentum on the season it was too much to overcome. They lost a lot of close games which was also pretty amazing given the circumstances (accept the KC game, but by then everyone had packed it in given the media swirl and speculation of the coach being fired).

THOSE ARE THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT MUST BE EXAMINED! SKINSDAD. you are making the same lazy claims as the media and avoiding the TRUTH!

HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FIRED WITHOUT BEING GIVEN A CHANCE TO STOCK A TEAM WITH TALENT OPERATING UNDER THE SAME SALARY CAP AS THE OTHER 32 TEAMS! WE LOST A GREAT COACH WHO WOULD HAVE BUILT A GREAT PROGRAM DUE TO AN IGNORANT MOB OF FANS AND MEDIA!

you guys are eating chicken shit and calling it chicken salad!

so the 2x superbowl winning coach , with total authority on football operations let a 23 year old snot nosed brat railroad him into something he didnt want to do yet he had no issue benching the high priced DMAC for rex and beck and the public debacle with haynesworth

he had 4 years and a ton of draft picks and although the cap penalty was BS he made those choices

its the coaches job to decide who plays and who doesnt . its the players job to get ready and force the coach to make the choice

if he had sat Rg3 until he was close to 100% no one would have bashed him . how could they ? but if the 23 year old could bully an experience HC into doing something he didnt want too then the coach should have been fired

the crap with snyder has been debunked , get caught up and believe me the press isnt in Rg3's corner

 

[Sharkinva]

so the 2x superbowl winning coach , with total authority on football operations let a 23 year old snot nosed brat railroad him into something he didnt want to do yet he had no issue benching the high priced DMAC for rex and beck and the public debacle with haynesworth

he had 4 years and a ton of draft picks and although the cap penalty was BS he made those choices

its the coaches job to decide who plays and who doesnt . its the players job to get ready and force the coach to make the choice

if he had sat Rg3 until he was close to 100% no one would have bashed him . how could they ? but if the 23 year old could bully an experience HC into doing something he didnt want too then the coach should have been fired

the crap with snyder has been debunked , get caught up and believe me the press isnt in Rg3's corner

Now on this I call complete and total bullshit. If Shanahan had benched RG3 week one, Griffin would have made a media shitstorm. Hell he can barely contain himself from taking the passive aggressive shots in the media now. And thats when he got his way. Had he started Cousins week one, no matter HOW the team performed, the minute some one put a mike in his face all we would have heard was... well coach PROMISED me I would play if I was healthy. And Im healthy, so why arent I playing.

 

[skinsdad62]

Now on this I call complete and total bullshit. If Shanahan had benched RG3 week one, Griffin would have made a media shitstorm. Hell he can barely contain himself from taking the passive aggressive shots in the media now. And thats when he got his way. Had he started Cousins week one, no matter HOW the team performed, the minute some one put a mike in his face all we would have heard was... well coach PROMISED me I would play if I was healthy. And Im healthy, so why arent I playing.

shanahan could never take a media shit storm now could he shark ? how quickly we forget the DMAC and Haynesworth debacles

and look at the quote , coach promised me IF I WAS HEALTHY and everyone and their brother saw he wasnt

bottom line the HC decides who plays period

 

[Sharkinva]

shanahan could never take a media shit storm now could he shark ? how quickly we forget the DMAC and Haynesworth debacles

and look at the quote , coach promised me IF I WAS HEALTHY and everyone and their brother saw he wasnt

bottom line the HC decides who plays period

Like I said dude, I expect he would have sworn up and down he was healthy and coach lied to him. McNabb was totally his call, and when he realized it was a mistake he made the right call. RG3 had the owner and the defacto team president in his corner. That was a fight Shanahan was not going to win. So old bobby two socks got his way.

Here is a math question for you though.

What does RG3-RO=???

JC2.0

 

[Blunt8384]

Come on, your not really that naive. The Dmac situation was no where near what the RG3 situation is. RG3 has 10 times the fanfare.

"As for the 4 years and a ton of draft pics"..again go back and look. They really didn't have that many draft picks to work with. Many of them had been traded by cerato (and some for Dmac). Shanahan did a good job of working to stockpile pics.

There was a rumor that Shanahan wanted Tanahil but he let his arm get twisted by snyder to get griffen because he also liked griffen. Shanahans only concern was how much they would have to trade to get him and as it turns out it was way too much.

Lastly it was not RG3 that bullied the coach into letting him have his way, it was the RG3/Snyder tandem. Snyder giving certain players favoritism is a complete distraction to the whole team.

Why are you so eager to defend the culture at Redskins park? would the Steelers or Ravens run their teams this way?

 

[j_y19]

shanahan could never take a media shit storm now could he shark ? how quickly we forget the DMAC and Haynesworth debacles

and look at the quote , coach promised me IF I WAS HEALTHY and everyone and their brother saw he wasnt

bottom line the HC decides who plays period

You cannot compare the haynesworth and dmac situations to rg3. Everyone was tired of those two and the media supported shanahan. The media would have cruxified shanahan if he didn't start rg3.

And he was healthy according to Andrews. Shanahan was in a no win situation. C'mon, dad, even you can see that. Rg3s camp would have mounted a full assault, including his agent, sponsors, and parents. Rg3 himself would have stayed demure.

 

[skinsdad62]

Like I said dude, I expect he would have sworn up and down he was healthy and coach lied to him. McNabb was totally his call, and when he realized it was a mistake he made the right call. RG3 had the owner and the defacto team president in his corner. That was a fight Shanahan was not going to win. So old bobby two socks got his way.

Here is a math question for you though.

What does RG3-RO=???

JC2.0

and that has to do with what ? the math ?

the owner and team president had nothing to do with the call and it has been debunked . shanny had it in his contract period end of story

your dislike of Rg3 has blinded you .

as for JC i said on numerous occassions he should get 3 years . he got it and he was found wanting . i said at that point he should be stop gapped and we draft some LOS before going on to a QB

we are in year 3 with Rg3 , if it looks like he isnt going to cut it then you either stop gap him or KC build the LOS then draft the qb my philosophy is the same as always

i dont advocate gutting 2 drafts for sanchez and bradford and then when the do it for a another qb piss and moan its the wrong guy and flip my standards

you ask me what i expect out of a draft pick when and where he is drafted it will be the same today as it was last season the season before 10 years at espn

you ask me how to build a football team its the same . build a dominate LOS then add the skill guys

never ever gut a draft for one guy RG3 included

the difference between you and me , whats done is done so support our guys not cry about what you cant change

i support the guy , i give him the same defense as i give any of our guys until the time has passed and he shows it isnt going to happen i am not looking for "i told you so " moments mine is 3 years unless you pull a rambo

so far our qb has a rookie of the year award , a pro bowl and a playoff appearance and a mundane year and 1 game where he wasnt a difference maker

i have told you how i feel about haslett . i dont think he is a good DC . he was retained . i praised him when he did well , and some of the faults i have pointed out didnt happen game one . but i am willing to give him a chance . ITS ONE GAME

you act like giving Rg3 any praise is tantamount to losing your left nut

 

[skinsdad62]

You cannot compare the haynesworth and dmac situations to rg3. Everyone was tired of those two and the media supported shanahan. The media would have cruxified shanahan if he didn't start rg3.

And he was healthy according to Andrews. Shanahan was in a no win situation. C'mon, dad, even you can see that. Rg3s camp would have mounted a full assault, including his agent, sponsors, and parents. Rg3 himself would have stayed demure.

i can and i will . shanny wasnt afraid to call it his way and i dont buy he couldnt with Rg3

and just like all the other CSI BS you guys took as gospel and was debunked i will say the same about all of your SPECULATIONS

if all your CSI , RG3 camp crap was true art briles would be coach

 

[Sharkinva]

and that has to do with what ? the math ?

the owner and team president had nothing to do with the call and it has been debunked . shanny had it in his contract period end of story

your dislike of Rg3 has blinded you .

as for JC i said on numerous occassions he should get 3 years . he got it and he was found wanting . i said at that point he should be stop gapped and we draft some LOS before going on to a QB

we are in year 3 with Rg3 , if it looks like he isnt going to cut it then you either stop gap him or KC build the LOS then draft the qb my philosophy is the same as always

i dont advocate gutting 2 drafts for sanchez and bradford and then when the do it for a another qb piss and moan its the wrong guy and flip my standards

you ask me what i expect out of a draft pick when and where he is drafted it will be the same today as it was last season the season before 10 years at espn

you ask me how to build a football team its the same . build a dominate LOS then add the skill guys

never ever gut a draft for one guy RG3 included

the difference between you and me , whats done is done so support our guys not cry about what you cant change

i support the guy , i give him the same defense as i give any of our guys until the time has passed and he shows it isnt going to happen i am not looking for "i told you so " moments mine is 3 years unless you pull a rambo

so far our qb has a rookie of the year award , a pro bowl and a playoff appearance and a mundane year and 1 game where he wasnt a difference maker

i have told you how i feel about haslett . i dont think he is a good DC . he was retained . i praised him when he did well , and some of the faults i have pointed out didnt happen game one . but i am willing to give him a chance . ITS ONE GAME

you act like giving Rg3 any praise is tantamount to losing your left nut

The math was just to make you laugh and say under your breath.. fuck you shark at the same time. Come on you know if we werent talking about some one you vehemently defend, you would have laughed.

And again I will state, I see you making the same excuses for Griffin as you made for Campbell. Its NEVER his fault, he is only slightly in the wrong no matter what he does, and we need to build the line and put more talent around him.


As far as praising him, for what. I think Sunday was what any average QB should have been able to do. Considering how many times I have been told, read or heard how AWESOME RG3 is or will be, I expect a bit more than average. If the Skins had the great wall of china for an offensive line, I suspect any average QB would excel.