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[lasgop8]

Disagree strongly with Tavares and Schenn even being comparable.

Tavares - 621gp, 254g, 325a, 579 points (.93ppg)
Schenn - 468gp, 125g, 161a, 289 points (.61ppg)

Plus Tavares is averaging 1:48 shorthanded this year (4th among forwards on the Isles, 2nd PK group minutes) and Schenn is averaging 0:37 (9th among forwards on the Isles, spot PK duty). Tavares is a responsible defensive forward that's heavily relied on to do that job, in addition to being a better offensive weapon than Schenn.

You might have point in terms of salary and age, but Tavares is so much better than Schenn we shouldn't even be having this discussion. I'm shocked honestly.

Schenn just came into his own as he is only 25 you know. Not to mention Taveras only part of his game is offense where as Schenn is an all around player. If you think Schenn who gets paid 5 million and Taveras who will get paid 10-12 is twice as good as Schenn at this point in their careers go get your head examined.

 

[lasgop8]

I'm worked up again. I can't believe you would even say you'd take Schenn over Tavares let alone actually believe that.

I would take Schenn at 5 million over Taveras at 10-12 any day of the week

 

[Maverick426h]

Schenn just came into his own as he is only 25 you know. Not to mention Taveras only part of his game is offense where as Schenn is an all around player. If you think Schenn who gets paid 5 million and Taveras who will get paid 10-12 is twice as good as Schenn at this point in their careers go get your head examined.

No, Schenn is 26 and Tavares is 27. They are 13 months apart almost to the day. That isn't a factor.

I don't know what else to even say because you're making zero sense. I think you're just forcing an argument here...Lol

 

[lasgop8]

Like I just said, age is not even a factor. And for salary, at this very moment, Tavares is only making slightly more. They will both be due a raise, but Tavares will get it a couple seasons sooner and he's also earned a much bigger paycheck here based on his track record as an 80 point guy on an average to mediocre team.

Age is most effeminately a factor especially if you are quoting offensive stats.

 

[lasgop8]

No, Schenn is 26 and Tavares is 27. They are 13 months apart almost to the day. That isn't a factor.

I don't know what else to even say because you're making zero sense. I think you're just forcing an argument here...Lol

Bull shit that you think Schenn at 5 million is not a waaaaaay better bargain for our team than Taveras at 10-12 million

 

[awaz]

Schenn just came into his own as he is only 25 you know. Not to mention Taveras only part of his game is offense where as Schenn is an all around player. If you think Schenn who gets paid 5 million and Taveras who will get paid 10-12 is twice as good as Schenn at this point in their careers go get your head examined.

The bold is so unbelievably incorrect.

Taveres is one of the better defensive forwards in the league. Schenn isn't. Google Schenn and defense and see what comes back. He's a defensive liability, always has been. That's why he never played center for the Flyers.

 

[Maverick426h]

Bull shit that you think Schenn at 5 million is not a waaaaaay better bargain for our team than Taveras at 10-12 million

You're missing the point. Tavares is a franchise-type player that makes everyone around him better. You really think Schenn is going to pot 100, 90 or even 80 points this season? It's a nice start, but Tarasenko runs the show offensively on that team. Schenn is only lucky to be playing with him.

 

[awaz]

Bull shit that you think Schenn at 5 million is not a waaaaaay better bargain for our team than Taveras at 10-12 million

Nobody is arguing that Tavares is a bargain at 10-12 million. He makes the Flyers a contender though. Schenn was on basically this exact team last year and they missed the playoffs.

 

[Maverick426h]

The bold is so unbelievably incorrect.

Taveres is one of the better defensive forwards in the league. Schenn isn't. Google Schenn and defense and see what comes back. He's a defensive liability, always has been. That's why he never played center for the Flyers.

And that's why he was one of the worst defensive and even strength players on our team last season. 51% of his points were via the power play.

 

[Maverick426h]

Here's the thing. With the right contract, Tavares can probably get $12 million or so (salary) for a couple seasons and still have his 6 year contract be a cap hit of maybe $9 million, which saves some money on what you might be thinking.

He's one of the few guys in the Nhl though that is worth that kind of money. There may be another dozen of them, but that's about it.

 

[lasgop8]

And that's why he was one of the worst defensive and even strength players on our team last season. 51% of his points were via the power play.

Again Taveras at 10-12 million is not a better deal for us than Schenn at 5 million period

 

[awaz]

Tavares
5 time all-star
Top 5 in Hart voting twice, Top 20 4 times
Top 10 Selke voting once, top 50 4 times

Schenn
None
None
None

 

[Maverick426h]

Again Taveras at 10-12 million is a better deal for us than Schenn at 5 million period

Schenn is only making $5.125 million for two more seasons. That ship sails eventually too. We gave him every chance to be a truly elite player in Philly, but he never got it done.

Tavares is a game-changer for us and Schenn clearly was not. So no, I'd rather take Tavares at a $9 million cap hit over Schenn at $5.125 with a huge asking price himself coming in two seasons. He'll probably be very much overpaid on his next deal too because his stats are inflated right now due to his linemates.

 

[awaz]

Again Taveras at 10-12 million is not a better deal for us than Schenn at 5 million period

I'm not looking for the better deal, we're not the damn Hurricanes. I want to win a cup. Players like Tavares help you do that, Schenn clearly didn't.

 

[awaz]

If you're taking a Raffl-Schenn-Voracek line over Raffl-Tavares-Voracek line as our '2nd line', there's nothing more I can say to you on the topic.

The Flyers have the money to do it. If Tavares is game, I'm doing it 100% of the time. And Hextall was right to move Schenn to afford it.

 

[Maverick426h]

I'm not looking for the better deal, we're not the damn Hurricanes. I want to win a cup. Players like Tavares help you do that, Schenn clearly didn't.

Yes, this isn't about making a nice, little playoff team. It's about building a fucking dynasty and you need franchise-type, elite level players to do that. If we replace three mostly garbage deals like Lehtera, Read and the Umberger buyout with Tavares, we become a much, much better team.

 

[lasgop8]

Schenn is only making $5.125 million for two more seasons. That ship sails eventually too. We gave him every chance to be a truly elite player in Philly, but he never got it done.

Tavares is a game-changer for us and Schenn clearly was not. So no, I'd rather take Tavares at a $9 million cap hit over Schenn at $5.125 with a huge asking price himself coming in two seasons. He'll probably be very much overpaid on his next deal too because his stats are inflated right now due to his linemates.

"Taveras is a game changer for us"-Pure speculation
Schenn will be overpaid on his next deal -Pure Speculation

Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

 

[lasgop8]

If you're taking a Raffl-Schenn-Voracek line over Raffl-Tavares-Voracek line as our '2nd line', there's nothing more I can say to you on the topic.

The Flyers have the money to do it. If Tavares is game, I'm doing it 100% of the time. And Hextall was right to move Schenn to afford it.

Again im not saying Schenn is a better player im saying the is no way in hell we should get rid of Schenn at 5 million and bring on Taveras at 10-12 million.

Add up the salaries for those two lines and then tell me if you agree.

 

[Maverick426h]

"Taveras is a game changer for us"-Pure speculation
Schenn wwill be overpaid on his next deal -Pure Speculation

Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

Rofl Tavares would be a game-changer for any team in the Nhl. That's a fact, not speculation. Go take a fucking poll...Lol!!

Schenn will be seriously overpaid. Yes, that's more of an opinion, but I like my odds on it.

 

[lasgop8]

Rofl Tavares would be a game-changer for any team in the Nhl. That's a fact, not speculation. Go take a fucking poll...Lol!!

Schenn will be seriously overpaid. Yes, that's more of an opinion, but I like my odds on it.

How can you state something as fact when it hasn't happened?? Again Pure speculation.