2025 season thread

[HaroldSeattle]

I have to wait on the contract details but at 3 years $45M if it's like some $25M guaranteed, GOOD FUCKING LORD WHAT IS SEATTLE DOING!?

$15M per? WTF!? Maybe this was just a play to entice Jenkins to sign with us.

I have to give this an F grade right now. I was thinking 2 years $17M or something.. which STILL would've been an overpay (1 year $5M would've been appropriate).

3 years $45M? Hopefully it's like D Laws contract.. 3 years $30M (up to $45M in incentives) and around $15M guaranteed. And even then I'm grading this in the C range.

Good fuckin lord... Kupp is completely washed... if Lockett signs some 2 year $10M deal I'm going to lose my shit.

So 15m per for an old washed up wr but can't do 18 for an OL that you desperately need?
This year is going to be a disaster

Lets wait until the REAL contract details are out. I find it hard to believe they are paying 15 million a year for Kupp. This is a PR victory of sorts for the Seahawks as the off season hasn't brought a lot of good news and this is going to excite a lot of fans. It's unfortunate that being 30 plus and having injury history describes most of signings JS has done this off season but if we are being honest there just wasn't much out there that was better. So it is what it is. On the bright side the Seahawks have gobs of picks this draft and can make this off season look much better.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Lets wait until the REAL contract details are out. I find it hard to believe they are paying 15 million a year for Kupp. This is a PR victory of sorts for the Seahawks as the off season hasn't brought a lot of good news and this is going to excite a lot of fans. It's unfortunate that being 30 plus and having injury history describes every single signing JS has done this off season but if we are being honest there just wasn't much out there that was better. So it is what it is. On the bright side the Seahawks have gobs of picks this draft and can make this off season look much better.

Oh 100%... I'm assuming the worst where I would give it an F grade. If he's $45M with incentives of $15M and guaranteed is in the teens.. fine... If this is some $45M per with $30M guaranteed, auto F.

Let's see the details to your point. But I am not excited about this at the moment.

Now again, this may have been a move to get Jenkins onboard with signing on Monday.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Rumor is Kupp is going to sign today. I could stomach what you proposed... as long as it doesn't impede signing Jenkins... although, a signing like this could be the clincher to getting Jenkins.

We SHOULD have the cap for it. I estimate we have about $20M left AFTER taking into account draft + injury reserve. We just took White as well...

Anyway, grab Kupp or Lockett, grab Jenkins, and head to the draft IMO.

I was off by 15mil

 

[HaroldSeattle]

So 15m per for an old washed up wr but can't do 18 for an OL that you desperately need?
This year is going to be a disaster

I really think they would pay 18 million for a OL and won't be surprised if they offered a hair more then that. Think the problem was length of contract and size of guaranteed money for Fries. Crazy money for someone who played a total of four good games in his NFL career.

 

[DJ Fieri]

JSN should be a nice young #1 WR and now Kupp will be the cagey veteran #2....if healthy.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I have to wait on the contract details but at 3 years $45M if it's like some $25M guaranteed, GOOD FUCKING LORD WHAT IS SEATTLE DOING!?

$15M per? WTF!? Maybe this was just a play to entice Jenkins to sign with us.

I have to give this an F grade right now. I was thinking 2 years $17M or something.. which STILL would've been an overpay (1 year $5M would've been appropriate).

3 years $45M? Hopefully it's like D Laws contract.. 3 years $30M (up to $45M in incentives) and around $15M guaranteed. And even then I'm grading this in the C range.

Good fuckin lord... Kupp is completely washed... if Lockett signs some 2 year $10M deal I'm going to lose my shit.

It's more steep for my liking but I'd rather have him than spending 2 picks on WR. Seattle can still draft a young WR and now use another pick elsewhere.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

JSN should be a nice young #1 WR and now Kupp will be the cagey veteran #2....if healthy.

and can still draft a solid WR to fill in at WR3 while MVS/Bobo can rotate WR4/WR5

 

[Screamin12th]

3 years 45 million is Cheaper per year than what Lockett and DK would be making in 2025. People say Kupp has declined but the truth is since his tripple crown in 2021 his targets per game have been cut by more than half.

Im feeling better about our WR's but they still need a young stud and now is the time to do it so you have JSN and the other guy linked together for the next 4+ years. Someone from like 2nd or 3rd rounds to be a #3 that can slide up to the #2 ASAP. I would like a 6'2"+ 220+ type.

 

[MrS]

Becton signing with the chargers

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Seahawks can escape Sam Darnold's deal after one year, $37.5 million

New deal protects Seattle against a regression by their new QB.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Well if this isn't the definition of a bridge contract, I dunno what is... This is a 1 year deal for $37.5M... I mean if we can make it work and take Jenkens, great. Basically it's what we were going to pay Geno.

Weird ass contract, typically don't see stuff like this (highest cap hit in Y1). So we're basically paying Sam the same money we would've paid Geno this year (given he had his incentive payout) if Geno wanted like a 4 year $180M contract. This certainly means we have to find money elsewhere, because we have $60M of cap at the moment BEFORE $37.5M. I would imagine there's going to be some restructuring (maybe with Fant/Nwosu).

What I will say, this team is going to have a FUCK TON of cap available in 2026. Like holy fuckin' cap in 2026.

 

[JMR]

Well if this isn't the definition of a bridge contract, I dunno what is... This is a 1 year deal for $37.5M... I mean if we can make it work and take Jenkens, great. Basically it's what we were going to pay Geno.

Weird ass contract, typically don't see stuff like this (highest cap hit in Y1). So we're basically paying Sam the same money we would've paid Geno this year (given he had his incentive payout) if Geno wanted like a 4 year $180M contract. This certainly means we have to find money elsewhere, because we have $60M of cap at the moment BEFORE $37.5M. I would imagine there's going to be some restructuring (maybe with Fant/Nwosu).

What I will say, this team is going to have a FUCK TON of cap available in 2026. Like holy fuckin' cap in 2026.

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The way I look at it is his SB is more or less in the form of his guaranteed salary for 2025. He gets the cash reward for hitting the market after a strong season, and the team can either have him for cheap in '26 (9% of the cap for a quality starting QB is peanuts) or cut bait with absolutely no financial blowback. I think it can work out pretty well for both parties (Darnold may have an opportunity to hit free agency 2 years in a row), but I also agree this is a pretty unusual contract structure.

 

[MrS]

Hard to not like this signing. Almost no risk for a potential huge reward.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Hard to not like this signing. Almost no risk for a potential huge reward.

It does give us a pretty big cap hit for this year, though.

Somehow they still seem to be making stuff like D Law and Kupp work, but it questions whether Jenkins will be able to sign. So it could be another year of whatever offensive line play and praying we get a good draft.

The good thing is we'll have so much f'ing cap in 2026 it'll be ridiculous. You can resign Cross/Mafe no problem, keep Bryant/Woolen around if they excel, maybe even extend Hall... and then target free agency BIG time. And then go all in with a rookie QB that they may still draft this year (or next). Similar to what Carroll did with Schneider.

If you recall Carroll/Schneider basically cleared the books, and then in Carroll's 3rd year went balls deep with a lot of talent on the roster (which we have... Hall/Mafe/Witherspoon/Murphy/Knight/Cross/(HOPEFULLY Lucas)/K9/Charbs/JSN... this team has stuff developing.. just needs to come together.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

It does give us a pretty big cap hit for this year, though.

It does, but worth it for the way the contract is constructed. I'm guessing most of the cap space is gone over the cap says 24 million but not including these players:


Kupp, Lawrence, MSV and Jones likely use up that 24 million. Nobody to spend on any how.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

It does, but worth it for the way the contract is constructed. I'm guessing most of the cap space is gone over the cap says 24 million but not including these players:

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Kupp, Lawrence, MSV and Jones likely use up that 24 million. Nobody to spend on any how.

Correct, but point being you have a lot of leverage in 2026 and with Darnold's contract nobody really massively on the books for 2026... and resigning Cross, Mafe, etc. is going to probably have a typical salary deferral. We kind of know what Lawrence's contract looks like, it will be interesting to see what Kupp's is...

But 2026 there should be a lot of money available. Only $26M for a QB you can release at $0.00 dead cap, guys ending their rookie deals (or free agents), Nwosu will only be a $6M dead cap if you move on... there should in theory be a lot of ability to move or make big plays next year... which is prob. the year you want to push if we draft a QB or Darnold is no longer seeing ghosts.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Correct, but point being you have a lot of leverage in 2026 and with Darnold's contract nobody really massively on the books for 2026... and resigning Cross, Mafe, etc. is going to probably have a typical salary deferral. We kind of know what Lawrence's contract looks like, it will be interesting to see what Kupp's is...

But 2026 there should be a lot of money available. Only $26M for a QB you can release at $0.00 dead cap, guys ending their rookie deals (or free agents), Nwosu will only be a $6M dead cap if you move on... there should in theory be a lot of ability to move or make big plays next year... which is prob. the year you want to push if we draft a QB or Darnold is no longer seeing ghosts.

Setting themselves up nicely for 2026. The elephant in the room is the OL. Free agency didn’t help, so that leaves the draft. Pick 18 is awkward as it’s not early enough for top tier like say Membou but a little early ( in some folks opinion) for the next tier and the Seahawks second round picks are too late for those next tier OL according to mocks. If they can’t move up or down I think they got to just take the best fit on OL at pick 18 and pick up one or two more OL in the draft, other needs are secondary IMO. Just judging from free agency IOL is a league wide problem. Way to many teams needing them.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Setting themselves up nicely for 2026. The elephant in the room is the OL. Free agency didn’t help, so that leaves the draft. Pick 18 is awkward as it’s not early enough for top tier like say Membou but a little early ( in some folks opinion) for the next tier and the Seahawks second round picks are too late for those next tier OL according to mocks. If they can’t move up or down I think they got to just take the best fit on OL at pick 18 and pick up one or two more OL in the draft, other needs are secondary IMO. Just judging from free agency IOL is a league wide problem. Way to many teams needing them.

Well we still got Jenkins visiting tomorrow but after knowing Sam is $37.5M this year , I don't know where we'll get money to sign Jenkins unless he comes on a cheap 1 year prove it deal.

And in that instance, yah... we have at least 2 offensive lineman we have to draft EARLY, which is not great. Now... the IOL position this year is not horrible.. and I still think Haynes will start given our ZBS scheme, but woof. Counting on Lucas being healthy, Olu learning how to do ZBS and develop, and a rookie at LG... yikes. I'm fine with Haynes at RG. The guy has been zone blocking at RG since he was a sperm.

I'm assuming Jenkins is basically a done deal but Seattle wants to medically evaluate him first... that would mean Nwosu and Fant are almost guaranteed to be restructured (or we release Fant if we draft another TE). It's a little bit of a shame the free agent class wasn't great at guard (it was even worse at OT). Everyone keeps mentioning Fries but the fact he's coming off a leg injury and the Vikes were like, "Nah it'll be fine, here's $90M" lol wut? I get Vikes are all in. Bechton has his own concerns and nobody else really fit a ZBS outside of Zeitler... who may have just been too risky given age/injury.

That said, the draft is not horrible for IOL (it's horrible for OT though, which thankfully we don't need at least with left tackle)... I hate to plug in a rookie because history shows they're not that successful at the OL... but it could be Seattle is bridging it all to 2026 where at this rate they'll have a F load of cap.

If Jenkins walks, I'd imagine we're ALL in on Donovan Jackson in a trade back or trade up in the early 2nd. That's 100% a fit to the scheme we're going to run. Lot of people always say, "Well how do you know he'll be there?" Eh.. these teams are talking more than you think. There's a lot of calls going on to gauge where everyone is at. And yes there's things that can change during the draft, but a lot of stuff is set in motion well before it takes place. It's not Draft Day with Kevin Costner lol.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Well we still got Jenkins visiting tomorrow but after knowing Sam is $37.5M this year , I don't know where we'll get money to sign Jenkins unless he comes on a cheap 1 year prove it deal.

And in that instance, yah... we have at least 2 offensive lineman we have to draft EARLY, which is not great. Now... the IOL position this year is not horrible.. and I still think Haynes will start given our ZBS scheme, but woof. Counting on Lucas being healthy, Olu learning how to do ZBS and develop, and a rookie at LG... yikes. I'm fine with Haynes at RG. The guy has been zone blocking at RG since he was a sperm.

I'm assuming Jenkins is basically a done deal but Seattle wants to medically evaluate him first... that would mean Nwosu and Fant are almost guaranteed to be restructured (or we release Fant if we draft another TE). It's a little bit of a shame the free agent class wasn't great at guard (it was even worse at OT). Everyone keeps mentioning Fries but the fact he's coming off a leg injury and the Vikes were like, "Nah it'll be fine, here's $90M" lol wut? I get Vikes are all in. Bechton has his own concerns and nobody else really fit a ZBS outside of Zeitler... who may have just been too risky given age/injury.

That said, the draft is not horrible for IOL (it's horrible for OT though, which thankfully we don't need at least with left tackle)... I hate to plug in a rookie because history shows they're not that successful at the OL... but it could be Seattle is bridging it all to 2026 where at this rate they'll have a F load of cap.

If Jenkins walks, I'd imagine we're ALL in on Donovan Jackson in a trade back or trade up in the early 2nd. That's 100% a fit to the scheme we're going to run. Lot of people always say, "Well how do you know he'll be there?" Eh.. these teams are talking more than you think. There's a lot of calls going on to gauge where everyone is at. And yes there's things that can change during the draft, but a lot of stuff is set in motion well before it takes place. It's not Draft Day with Kevin Costner lol.

Well I have my doubts about being able to trade down and trading up even more (less the Seahawks are willing to over pay steeply). There were half dozen teams chasing after Fries, who only was a hot prospect based on the 5 games he played last year, prior to that he wasn't playing good enough for anyone to notice him. I think the Seahawks are just going to half to pull the trigger with pick 18 based on supply and demand. Just take the right player is all I ask.

 

[Screamin12th]

I have a feeling we will see a lot of Olineman drafted by the hawks in their first 5 picks.