2024 Season Thread

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Firing Grubb was a mistake and bringing in another won't matter if the o-line doesn't get reworked and Geno regresses another year.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I'm sure everyone in the Seahawks organization knows the OL needs to be addressed.

do we have proof of that?

What? You think the Seahawks organization is unaware that the OL needs addressing? I think what you mean is they are aware but won't be able to figure out how to fix it. Well we are going to find out. Pretty sure heads are on the line to get it done or else.

 

[MrS]

What? You think the Seahawks organization is unaware that the OL needs addressing? I think what you mean is they are aware but won't be able to figure out how to fix it. Well we are going to find out. Pretty sure heads are on the line to get it done or else.

I can see schneider convincing himself that the OL is perfectly fine because grubb was a bad OC and IOL are overpaid and overdrafted.

 

[Screamin12th]

Firing Grubb was a mistake and bringing in another won't matter if the o-line doesn't get reworked and Geno regresses another year.

I wouldn't say it was a mistake and i do think they did it because of how this offense looked this season. They might have been fine with a ( LMAO ) Sub 22 PPG season if they saw growth or any resemblence of a NFL quality scheme. It looked WAY to much like a college team out there. The play calling the line-ups formations and routes. It looked like a scheme drew up where it was " my guys are better than yours" Not a " I will scheme it up to beat your guys" if you get my meaning. In college teams can lean on their strengths more as the talent level differences there can be absolutely HUGE! Can't do that in the NFL and he had all season to change it up but he didnt do it. Grubb wasn't ready for the NFL yet and now he knows he has to change it up if he ever wants to be more than a OC in college.

I wasnt all that excited in the Grubb hiring i didnt think he was NFL ready and i never liked the look of the Washington Huskies offense. I thought it relied to much on big plays and their running game with talented runners was always like a after thought. Not shocked thats how it looked here. I mean COME ON! he would put Geno under center and 90% of the time it was a run! talk about showing your hand.

 

[Dingus]

What? You think the Seahawks organization is unaware that the OL needs addressing? I think what you mean is they are aware but won't be able to figure out how to fix it. Well we are going to find out. Pretty sure heads are on the line to get it done or else.

I can see schneider convincing himself that the OL is perfectly fine because grubb was a bad OC and IOL are overpaid and overdrafted.

Isn't he pretty much on record saying he thinks O-line is overvalued and he isn't willing to pay what a top guard goes for at that position? Not quoting exactly obviously but he's said something along those lines, and his actions back it up. It's been the same issue for years. It's some weird mix of he knows it's a problem, but isn't willing to address it.

 

[Dingus]

I wouldn't say it was a mistake and i do think they did it because of how this offense looked this season. They might have been fine with a ( LMAO ) Sub 22 PPG season if they saw growth or any resemblence of a NFL quality scheme. It looked WAY to much like a college team out there. The play calling the line-ups formations and routes. It looked like a scheme drew up where it was " my guys are better than yours" Not a " I will scheme it up to beat your guys" if you get my meaning. In college teams can lean on their strengths more as the talent level differences there can be absolutely HUGE! Can't do that in the NFL and he had all season to change it up but he didnt do it. Grubb wasn't ready for the NFL yet and now he knows he has to change it up if he ever wants to be more than a OC in college.

I wasnt all that excited in the Grubb hiring i didnt think he was NFL ready and i never liked the look of the Washington Huskies offense. I thought it relied to much on big plays and their running game with talented runners was always like a after thought. Not shocked thats how it looked here. I mean COME ON! he would put Geno under center and 90% of the time it was a run! talk about showing your hand.

I mean, it was a little better than last year, and more fun to watch when it was working. The defense was also a little improved but inconsistent, they ended the year giving up 25 points and 400 yards to a Jimmy Garoppolo led scrub offense, for fucks sake. How long does Macdonald get to meet his own standard?

If you didn't like the Washington offense with Grubb, nothing is going to please you... The 'talented' runners (objectively their least talented group on offense) were leaned on heavily when appropriate.

Regarding creativity in the run game with the Hawks, that's pretty much impossible when your o-line gets blown up every play. His guys weren't "better than yours," is the whole point.

Now we get to start over, again, and go through a whole new round of blame the OC because the GM refuses to try to fix the same old problems you've had for at least 7 years.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I mean, it was a little better than last year, and more fun to watch when it was working. The defense was also a little improved but inconsistent, they ended the year giving up 25 points and 400 yards to a Jimmy Garoppolo led scrub offense, for fucks sake. How long does Macdonald get to meet his own standard?

If you didn't like the Washington offense with Grubb, nothing is going to please you... The 'talented' runners (objectively their least talented group on offense) were leaned on heavily when appropriate.

Regarding creativity in the run game with the Hawks, that's pretty much impossible when your o-line gets blown up every play. His guys weren't "better than yours," is the whole point.

Now we get to start over, again, and go through a whole new round of blame the OC because the GM refuses to try to fix the same old problems you've had for at least 7 years.

I'm well aware of JS record of failing to build a good OL. I just feel that this off season his job is on the line and the criticism impossible to ignore. So I expect JS will try to save his job by making several moves to improve the OL. I fully expect him to be fired if he fails to get it done and in that case good riddance.

 

[Screamin12th]

I mean, it was a little better than last year, and more fun to watch when it was working. The defense was also a little improved but inconsistent, they ended the year giving up 25 points and 400 yards to a Jimmy Garoppolo led scrub offense, for fucks sake. How long does Macdonald get to meet his own standard?

If you didn't like the Washington offense with Grubb, nothing is going to please you... The 'talented' runners (objectively their least talented group on offense) were leaned on heavily when appropriate.

Regarding creativity in the run game with the Hawks, that's pretty much impossible when your o-line gets blown up every play. His guys weren't "better than yours," is the whole point.

Now we get to start over, again, and go through a whole new round of blame the OC because the GM refuses to try to fix the same old problems you've had for at least 7 years.

I was willing to give Grubb another year but he did something that really rubbed Mike the wrong way. Lets not pretend our offense was successful this season, 18th at 22.1 that 30 point win against the Rams allowed them to leapfrog over the Texans and break the 22 point barrier. it was more inconsistent than the Defense. How many opening drive TD's have the Hawks had this year? None. Our 3rd down rate has to be better than 37%. It was 32% AT HOME! and a healthy 43% on the road. 40% is that number to beat, even 39% puts you in the middle of the pack. Seattles Oline started the season ranked 29th and finished 19th so they improved. Remember this is also the first year for the Oline coach. Huff from UW, and i hope he stays. This guy can coach up lineman and had a run with UW where he put together some of the best Olines in college football.

The defense is the youngest group on the team and when you look at how they were the past two years before Mike got here and now I finally saw some growth and the building of something. They were more consistently "Average" than bad and also had some great play from them. Before they were BAD then every now and again good to great for a half or two. I feel that our passing defense falls alseep some times. No explaining how they can be so good one play and then you are left there scratching your head as even whitherspoon gets beat.

I think all the younger players are playing a little tight and thats expected learning a new system after just learning a new system, on both sides of the ball. Offense and Defense. Offense is going to have to do it again.

 

[flyerhawk]

I'm well aware of JS record of failing to build a good OL. I just feel that this off season his job is on the line and the criticism impossible to ignore. So I expect JS will try to save his job by making several moves to improve the OL. I fully expect him to be fired if he fails to get it done and in that case good riddance.

If he doesn't improve the OL this offseason, I think he will get fired. He can't keep bringing out the same excuses.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I wouldn't say it was a mistake and i do think they did it because of how this offense looked this season. They might have been fine with a ( LMAO ) Sub 22 PPG season if they saw growth or any resemblence of a NFL quality scheme. It looked WAY to much like a college team out there. The play calling the line-ups formations and routes. It looked like a scheme drew up where it was " my guys are better than yours" Not a " I will scheme it up to beat your guys" if you get my meaning. In college teams can lean on their strengths more as the talent level differences there can be absolutely HUGE! Can't do that in the NFL and he had all season to change it up but he didnt do it. Grubb wasn't ready for the NFL yet and now he knows he has to change it up if he ever wants to be more than a OC in college.

I wasnt all that excited in the Grubb hiring i didnt think he was NFL ready and i never liked the look of the Washington Huskies offense. I thought it relied to much on big plays and their running game with talented runners was always like a after thought. Not shocked thats how it looked here. I mean COME ON! he would put Geno under center and 90% of the time it was a run! talk about showing your hand.

Those are all valid points. Who's on your list of OC?

 

[Screamin12th]

Those are all valid points. Who's on your list of OC?

Maybe see which former OC gets fired as a HC? Who knows. The issue with OC's is when they are good they get HC offers, so good or bad OC's fly around like skittles after a Lynch touchdown.

I wouldnt mind seeing the Hawks trade down a lot in this draft stockpiling 2026 picks. Imagine going into the 2026 draft with like 12 picks and having 2 in each of the first 3 rounds.

 

[MrS]

Maybe see which former OC gets fired as a HC? Who knows. The issue with OC's is when they are good they get HC offers, so good or bad OC's fly around like skittles after a Lynch touchdown.

I like the idea of doug pedersen as OC, another guy who has never called plays as OC is a no go for me.

I wouldnt mind seeing the Hawks trade down a lot in this draft stockpiling 2026 picks. Imagine going into the 2026 draft with like 12 picks and having 2 in each of the first 3 rounds.

I hate trading down but im for it if the plan is to stockpile picks for a big trade up for a QB

 

[MrS]

Dickson PFFs highest rated punter, dude killed it this year.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I wouldnt mind seeing the Hawks trade down a lot in this draft stockpiling 2026 picks

I hate trading down but im for it if the plan is to stockpile picks for a big trade up for a QB

I'm all for adding 2026 picks to move up for a QB.

 

[blstoker]

 

[Screamin12th]

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I like Lucas and feel he could have been our best Olineman had injuries not sucked the life out of him. His rookie year he looked solid and it hurt when he missed 1 game that season. You could see he was talented and i think he was scoring better than Cross. Then the shit hit the fan the next two seasons. How brutal it was for him missing 11 games in 2023 then in 2024 he missed another 10 games. How much was bad luck and how much was it that 2023's injury and 2024's injury were connected. It's always been his one knee right? Didnt Pete say it was a chronic issue when asked about it? I am almost 100% Sure Pete did in fact say that.

I would LOVE to have Abe 100% go as he IS a good answer at RT but that knee... My Dream would be He plays 10 years for us and improves but how realistic is that with his knee.

 

[Screamin12th]

I'm all for adding 2026 picks to move up for a QB.

Yeah that was the thinking behind it. They have options to stockpile picks for 2026 if thats the goal, early and late picks. Trade DK for a 2026 pick hell why not, you might get a better value pick OR PICKS out of it.