2024 NFL Draft: The Quarterback Class

[Money]

lol...what can one say other than opinions vary.

chin up

Oops...just realized this is a division quarrel. My bad...didn't mean to butt in.

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

Well, Caleb Williams looks like the real deal. Jayden Daniels looks like the real deal. Drake Maye looks promising. Bo Nix looks promising. Jj McCarthy and Michael Penix are getting great experience off of the bench, which is always great for a young qb to hit the ground running.

Could this go down as the greatest QB draft class ever? We’re only halfway through year 1, but they all look like they have reasons for optimism. Even Spencer Rattler might become a quality back up, but who cares?

 

[shopson67]

It will be interesting to see what the Vikes do. Do they let Darnold walk after a successful year (assuming he keeps it up) to hand the reigns over to McCarthy? Darnold could be in line for a Baker-esque contract this winter (Baker got 3/$95M).

 

[ducky]

It will be interesting to see what the Vikes do. Do they let Darnold walk after a successful year (assuming he keeps it up) to hand the reigns over to McCarthy? Darnold could be in line for a Baker-esque contract this winter (Baker got 3/$95M).

It will all depend on what they saw/see from McCarthy.

But IMO they will let him walk and happily take back the comp pick value should he find a starting gig. They are likely to add FA's this coming offseason that will offset that some.....but him signing elsewhere might be a full 3rd round value so it likely wont get completely erased.

Darnold has played well. But Darnold hasnt done anything special. People forget when Cousins went down last year we got production from every QB we put back there whether it be Dobbs or Mullens. It was just those guys made always made critical turnovers. That really is what seperates most backups from starters these days. Its not what they can do with their arm.....its what they realize what they shouldnt do with their brain. And our systems is very, very QB friendly.

So I could see them letting Darnold walk, take a cheaper flier on solid backup than what Darnold might end up going for and then giving McCarthy first digs on the starting gig.

But what do I know? Last year at this time I was telling everyone who would listen that Cousins going back to the Vikes was a near lock.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

You heard it here first...

Newest over emphasized QB trend for scouts... look for QB prospects with 4-5 years of college experience, book it

NFL is nothing, if not a copycat league, lol

Seems like, its OFTEN the intangibles that are often missed or under/over emphasized that's an issue

Hard to measure, grit, poise, confidence, competitiveness, short term memory and what's between the ears etc...

And then there's Luck and Draft Position sending a QB to the right franchise, set up properly to develop the QB

 

[Clayton]

You heard it here first...

Newest over emphasized QB trend for scouts... look for QB prospects with 4-5 years of college experience, book it

NFL is nothing, if not a copycat league, lol

Seems like, its OFTEN the intangibles that are often missed or under/over emphasized that's an issue

Hard to measure, grit, poise, confidence, competitiveness, short term memory and what's between the ears etc...

And then there's Luck and Draft Position sending a QB to the right franchise, set up properly to develop the QB

I'd guess the trend will be bringing in offensive people who match the style of QB you draft. Thats my big takeaway here. There was a lot of 'I dont know about Bo Nix rd1. But Bo Nix is perfect for Sean Payton' and then you see Jayden Daniels running a 'college offense' to perfection in the NFL.

The value of QBs is too high for teams to balk about experience. I think they'll still take QBs super high no matter what. The QBs, on the other hand, will stay in college knowing that NFL teams will still value them if they're coming out at the age of 23.

 

[ducky]

You heard it here first...

Newest over emphasized QB trend for scouts... look for QB prospects with 4-5 years of college experience, book it

NFL is nothing, if not a copycat league, lol

Seems like, its OFTEN the intangibles that are often missed or under/over emphasized that's an issue

Hard to measure, grit, poise, confidence, competitiveness, short term memory and what's between the ears etc...

And then there's Luck and Draft Position sending a QB to the right franchise, set up properly to develop the QB

The one thing that is about to start to change is that most really talented QB's are going to be starting at least 3 years.

They will look for spots that they can win jobs their freshman years even if that is a tier 3 or 4 college program knowing that a good season there will get them a starting gig offer at a larger school via the portal.

And that goes for most positions too.

The portal sucks for college football IMO. But for the NFL draft purposes, it likely is going to help as you will have a lot less players sitting on the pine for 2-3 years waiting for their turn.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I'd guess the trend will be bringing in offensive people who match the style of QB you draft.

Seems ridiculous that the ego of so many coaches has always been that the player must 'fit' into the scheme rather than the scheme should fit the player.

Thing is, most franchises saw it in Baltimore with the Ravens as well as in KC with Andy a few years ago.. yet still remain unenlightened

 

[shopson67]

You heard it here first...

Newest over emphasized QB trend for scouts... look for QB prospects with 4-5 years of college experience, book it

NFL is nothing, if not a copycat league, lol

Seems like, its OFTEN the intangibles that are often missed or under/over emphasized that's an issue

Hard to measure, grit, poise, confidence, competitiveness, short term memory and what's between the ears etc...

And then there's Luck and Draft Position sending a QB to the right franchise, set up properly to develop the QB

The 5 year guys should be drying up, as that was a result of the COVID year.

 

[shopson67]

The one thing that is about to start to change is that most really talented QB's are going to be starting at least 3 years.

They will look for spots that they can win jobs their freshman years even if that is a tier 3 or 4 college program knowing that a good season there will get them a starting gig offer at a larger school via the portal.

And that goes for most positions too.

The portal sucks for college football IMO. But for the NFL draft purposes, it likely is going to help as you will have a lot less players sitting on the pine for 2-3 years waiting for their turn.

They should at least limit the portal to one move per player.

 

[cdumler7]

You heard it here first...

Newest over emphasized QB trend for scouts... look for QB prospects with 4-5 years of college experience, book it

NFL is nothing, if not a copycat league, lol

Seems like, its OFTEN the intangibles that are often missed or under/over emphasized that's an issue

Hard to measure, grit, poise, confidence, competitiveness, short term memory and what's between the ears etc...

And then there's Luck and Draft Position sending a QB to the right franchise, set up properly to develop the QB

I'm not sure you can read a ton from this last class. It was a unique one that happens every 4-5 years where you have a good group of QB's come through. They also all landed in pretty decent spots. Chicago loading up with some weapons and not having the worst roster in football for a 1st overall pick to land helped. Throw in Williams is just a special talent. Jayden Daniels getting a coach willing to run a ton of college concepts to fit his QB while also having a very underrated offensive group around him. I would say Drake Maye is the one guy that landed in a terrible situation. No weapons, bad OL, and defensive coach is not a good combination for a young QB. McCarthy needing a year (even before injury) is given that by having Darnold in the building then will step into a very nice situation having maybe the best WR in the game, a top-5 TE, a great #2 WR, and a strong OL plus great offensive minded coach. Nix obviously was the handpicked choice of Payton. I"m not sure he is as good as he has been this last month with any other team.

 

[cdumler7]

I'd guess the trend will be bringing in offensive people who match the style of QB you draft. Thats my big takeaway here. There was a lot of 'I dont know about Bo Nix rd1. But Bo Nix is perfect for Sean Payton' and then you see Jayden Daniels running a 'college offense' to perfection in the NFL.

The value of QBs is too high for teams to balk about experience. I think they'll still take QBs super high no matter what. The QBs, on the other hand, will stay in college knowing that NFL teams will still value them if they're coming out at the age of 23.

To me this is the more important thing. Landing in the right situation matters almost as much as the talent of the player. I think for example Mahomes would have been successful with a lot of franchises but nowhere near as good as he has been with Reid. Throw in showing up when Tyreek Hill and Kelce were both in their prime helps a lot.

 

[cdumler7]

The one thing that is about to start to change is that most really talented QB's are going to be starting at least 3 years.

They will look for spots that they can win jobs their freshman years even if that is a tier 3 or 4 college program knowing that a good season there will get them a starting gig offer at a larger school via the portal.

And that goes for most positions too.

The portal sucks for college football IMO. But for the NFL draft purposes, it likely is going to help as you will have a lot less players sitting on the pine for 2-3 years waiting for their turn.

I'm not 100% sure this will be the case. If you get an offer from a top-5 program are you really going to turn that down to go play for some mid-tier program? I work with high schoolers and I can tell you I have seen some of them struggle with that decision. Had a kid that was a 4-star recruit. He got an offer from Clemson to go play LB. I tried telling him it might be better to go somewhere else and get some starts under your belt. Nope had to go to this big program because it was such a huge deal that he got a full ride to at the time a top-3 program in college football (this was a few years ago).

 

[Clayton]

To me this is the more important thing. Landing in the right situation matters almost as much as the talent of the player. I think for example Mahomes would have been successful with a lot of franchises but nowhere near as good as he has been with Reid. Throw in showing up when Tyreek Hill and Kelce were both in their prime helps a lot.

I'd almost say that Tyreek Hill was so good that it actually hurt Mahomes' development a little. At the end of the day, though, results are probably better than development.

The league adjusts so quickly to strong offenses, though. Its not just the rapport of great players but its teams building up enough depth to actually allow a QB to live through a mistake or two. All QBs make mistakes.

 

[cdumler7]

I'd almost say that Tyreek Hill was so good that it actually hurt Mahomes' development a little. At the end of the day, though, results are probably better than development.

The league adjusts so quickly to strong offenses, though. Its not just the rapport of great players but its teams building up enough depth to actually allow a QB to live through a mistake or two. All QBs make mistakes.

Agreed. One could argue this is the worst season Mahomes has ever had and yet the team is undefeated. In big part because the roster around him doesn't depend on him to win every game. I always think back to the Colts and their team building when Manning was there. If they had competent GM/Coaching/Ownership they could have dominated even the Patriots for a decade. Instead they depended on Manning to cover up all of their horrible decisions. He was good enough to get them to the playoffs but not enough to overcome a subpar roster around him against great teams. Chiefs have built this team right and it sucks to type that out.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

My Rookie MVP

 

[MileHigh64]

After 307 yards passing, 4 TDs and a quarterback rating of 145, Bo Nix is moving into the running for rookie of the year. Jayden Daniels is still ahead in most categories but the gap is narrowing after the last 6 games. Broncos may have finally found their quarterback of the future after 8 years of misery.

 

[cwalke3408]

I'm not 100% sure this will be the case. If you get an offer from a top-5 program are you really going to turn that down to go play for some mid-tier program? I work with high schoolers and I can tell you I have seen some of them struggle with that decision. Had a kid that was a 4-star recruit. He got an offer from Clemson to go play LB. I tried telling him it might be better to go somewhere else and get some starts under your belt. Nope had to go to this big program because it was such a huge deal that he got a full ride to at the time a top-3 program in college football (this was a few years ago).

Name?
How did that work out for him?

 

[cwalke3408]

I'm not 100% sure this will be the case. If you get an offer from a top-5 program are you really going to turn that down to go play for some mid-tier program?

Before NIL, the selling point for bigger schools was playing in bigger games, history of school producing talent to the NFL, and etc
Now with NIL, that adds a whole nother layer to the equation

 

[cdumler7]

Name?
How did that work out for him?

Jaren Kanak. First signed with Clemson then when their DC took the HC job at Oklahoma he decided to commit to OU. He started last year, but was benched this season if I remember right. I would bet he hits the transfer portal.