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thunderc

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Portland could have prevented this from happening
Perhaps, they aren’t obligated though. I think it’s a totally different situation if they hadn’t got lucky and moved from 5 to 3. That is what created all of this, they couldn’t pass on a prospect like they got.
 

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That's what I was implying, that they would need to move Simons as a potential complication.

I don't see the great fit for the Celtics either. Dame's contract is only going to get more troublesome as he ages out (plus he would need to shift his views towards teams other than the Heat).

If I'm Portland, I don't move Dame to Miami without that offer getting a lot better (and it's hard to see a path for that to happen). Portland might be better off making other moves to placate Dame to get him to reverse course?
That could explain Portland being linked to Lavine and having interest there.
 

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Perhaps, they aren’t obligated though. I think it’s a totally different situation if they hadn’t got lucky and moved from 5 to 3. That is what created all of this, they couldn’t pass on a prospect like they got.
I am talking about more than just this past offseason...like TJ12 said....who was the last good FA they signed?
 
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I am talking about more than just this past offseason....like TJ12 said....who is the last FA they signed?
Yet Lillard just signed a massive extension that he could only get from Portland. I know supppsedly promises were made, blah blah blah. I’ll go a step further, he was signing that extension no matter what. Just like they all do. This will be addressed at some point, the entire point of the supermax was to help small market teams keep their players.
 

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Exactly....that is why this isn't all on Dame.

He is just fed up....finally.
I think all of public opinion was in Dame’s corner until it was leaked that his agent was calling potential trade destinations and telling them don’t even think about it because Dame won’t play for you. That’s when things changed because it totally screws Portland. Number 1, you’re already getting reduced value back when a player demands a trade. Number 2, you seriously reduce the take back from there when you make it public that only one team need apply. Until things change, I’ve been saying the Heat shouldn’t even offer Herro. They should just offer Lowry and salary filler to make it work for the cap. Miami is bidding against itself until Dame relents on his demand and becomes willing to consider other teams.
 

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I think all of public opinion was in Dame’s corner until it was leaked that his agent was calling potential trade destinations and telling them don’t even think about it because Dame won’t play for you. That’s when things changed because it totally screws Portland. Number 1, you’re already getting reduced value back when a player demands a trade. Number 2, you seriously reduce the take back from there when you make it public that only one team need apply. Until things change, I’ve been saying the Heat shouldn’t even offer Herro. They should just offer Lowry and salary filler to make it work for the cap. Miami is bidding against itself until Dame relents on his demand and becomes willing to consider other teams.
I personally don’t think things are nearly as bad between Portland and Lillard as they seem. Lillard is trying to see if he can get his way and the team has obligations beyond him. No one has really taken the gloves off yet and there really isn’t any reason to. At some point Lillard will have to increase his list if he really wants out.
 

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Exactly....that is why this isn't all on Dame.

He is just fed up....finally.

I don't think anybody is placing the blame on Lillard, other than limiting his destination to 1 team. That's crippling in terms of getting a deal of at least similar value.
 

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I just don’t agree that he is fed up. Fed up would be if he had came close to leaving and such, which he hasn’t. He’s using a loophole, one that will be closed eventually in my opinion. Im rooting for him to be in Miami, that doesn’t make it good for the league though.

What "loophole" is he using? If you're talking about a player being able to request a trade...I don't see that going away any time soon.
 

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Yet Lillard just signed a massive extension that he could only get from Portland. I know supppsedly promises were made, blah blah blah. I’ll go a step further, he was signing that extension no matter what. Just like they all do. This will be addressed at some point, the entire point of the supermax was to help small market teams keep their players.

This is where the league may change something. A player getting his max or supermax contract, then not long after requesting/demanding a trade is problematic and against the intent of the supermax advantage for the home team.
 

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What "loophole" is he using? If you're talking about a player being able to request a trade...I don't see that going away any time soon.
Oh I know, but request and demand is a big time gray area. Players can request, teams can deny. We will know the gloves have came off when Lillard starts saying he will hold out and not report. I don’t see it going that far.
 

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What "loophole" is he using? If you're talking about a player being able to request a trade...I don't see that going away any time soon.
Getting the huge contract and a year later wanting a trade....this isn't changing.
 

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I don't think anybody is placing the blame on Lillard, other than limiting his destination to 1 team. That's crippling in terms of getting a deal of at least similar value.
Other players have let it be known there is just 1 team they want to go to.

Flipping Herro will get them what they need to satisfy Portland IMO. It will just take time....

Or this game of chicken ends and Portland takes back less than what they want.
 

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I think all of public opinion was in Dame’s corner until it was leaked that his agent was calling potential trade destinations and telling them don’t even think about it because Dame won’t play for you. That’s when things changed because it totally screws Portland. Number 1, you’re already getting reduced value back when a player demands a trade. Number 2, you seriously reduce the take back from there when you make it public that only one team need apply. Until things change, I’ve been saying the Heat shouldn’t even offer Herro. They should just offer Lowry and salary filler to make it work for the cap. Miami is bidding against itself until Dame relents on his demand and becomes willing to consider other teams.

Agreed. Portland can't even use this as an attempt to rebuild, since Miami's picks are 5 years out at minimum due to protections/deferments on the more recent picks. Someone like the Spurs would be an easy fit, but how soon could Dame/Wemby put them in contention?
 

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Other players have let it be known there is just 1 team they want to go to.

Flipping Herro will get them what they need to satisfy Portland IMO. It will just take time....

Or this game of chicken ends and Portland takes back less than what they want.

It's easy to say "just flip Herro", but try to find a deal that makes sense. I've tried many versions of a Dame trade and Miami is so limited in what they can do. They have no midrange salaries (in the 10-20M range) that are desirable. They have no draft picks available until 2028 (those are too far out for a current rebuild, more of a rebuild after going all in situation). On top of that, as a team past the 2nd apron, they can't take on more salary then they send out, so matching salaries gets more complicated.

Portland is destined to take back pennies on the dollar if they have to trade Dame to Miami.
 

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It should
Even it changes, all players would do is sign shorter contracts for the max if they have doubts about the organization. Instead of a 5 yr deal, let me sign a 2 yr deal or a 3 yr deal with a player option after year 2. Good luck thinking any top player will sign a 4 or 5 yr max if they add some silly rule to prevent players from demanded trades after signing a max deal
 
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