2022 NBA Offseason thread

[dtgold88]

If you swapped Okoro out for Mikal Bridges, OG or even Lu Dort....

Things would be looking fantastic.

So, I agree.

Okoro and Levert have to combine to give you SOMETHING for this to work well.

Or, you need another trade.

Or the 21-year-old Okoro with the tremendous work ethic becomes the player they need.

Not meant as snark, as only saying it could happen.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Jazz are over the player limit. They're gonna have to do something. I ain't giving up 2 picks for any of that. I'd offer them Westbrook and 1 pick for whatever they need to offload.

They don't have to cut down until training camp.

You gonna bring Bev and Russ to camp?

IDGAF if they talked recently.

That shit won't help Russ become Mikal Bridges, which is the problem.

You need a shooter.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Or the 21-year-old Okoro with the tremendous work ethic becomes the player they need.

Not meant as snark, as only saying it could happen.

It could.

But, he hasn't shown much to suggest it will.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

That's quite a haul to give up for Mitchell, but at the same time, Cavs should have a very solid team now, especially so if Mobley continues his franchise player trajectory. They got at least 3 years of Mitchell now to make it work. Worth the price ultimately.

Player development. That's the key

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

That is a good point.

Ainge made out like a bandit in Gobert and Mitchell trades.

Pelinka been just waiting in the wings maybe.

This is the kind of hubris that has you in the shits as we speak.

Your team has no leverage.

No assets outside of the 2 picks.

If the Jazz cut 2 guys from the roster, it wouldn't be anyone useful.

FFS, Stanley Johnson could be a candidate to get cut.

But, guess what?

The Lakers couldn't sign him.

 

[wildturkey]

They don't have to cut down until training camp.

You gonna bring Bev and Russ to camp?

IDGAF if they talked recently.

That shit won't help Russ become Mikal Bridges, which is the problem.

You need a shooter.

Like I said before, I'm cool with Westbrook on the roster into training camp even up to a month into the season. With the Kyrie option off the table, no trade they make is gonna make them the remarkably better. Westbrook on the team is a HORRIBLE fit, but the games you'll lose in the month's span trying to find the right offer isn't gonna make or break the season. Barring some MVP level performances from BOTH of Lebron and AD, the Lakers are gonna be somewhere between a 6 to 10 seed no matter what they do (maybe a 5 if they can get Hield/Turner)

 

[Stakesarehigh]

How did I miss russ going from an 82 percent free throw shooter to 66?

How the fuck does that happen

Like Andre Drummond was one of the worst free throw shooters ever...and went from 39 to 54 or so

Russ...a normal sized human he is...went from 82 to 66

Like he forgot how to shoot a free throw altogether

 

[fightinfunbags]

I get it but who is out there "to get". It was Murray (before ATL traded for him) and Mitchell. Who else is out there?

I think Murray is a better fit but that ship sailed. Maybe I’m out of the loop but I’m working from the assumption that Sexton would have been incentivized to get on the court and would have played on a one year deal or a one and one with an option. That would extend the time they have to trade the Sexton asset. Not sure the Cavs had to make this move now. I think they would have benefited by holding on to him. I don’t think the Mobley/Garland core is ready to win now anyway. And they really don’t have to be. Both guys are years away from their prime. Additionally, I’m worried that with two ball dominant guards, Mobley’s do all type of game and reticence to assert himself could quell his development on offense. He’s an elite prospect though. Maybe it won’t slow down the development of his offensive game in the end. Maybe moving Markinnen actually is the key to opening up opportunity for him.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Like I said before, I'm cool with Westbrook on the roster into training camp even up to a month into the season. With the Kyrie option off the table, no trade they make is gonna make them the remarkably better. Westbrook on the team is a HORRIBLE fit, but the games you'll lose in the month's span trying to find the right difference isn't gonna make or break the season. Barring some MVP level performances from BOTH of Lebron and AD, the Lakers are gonna be somewhere between a 6 to 10 seed no matter what they do (maybe a 5 if they can get Hield/Turner)

What do you expect to happen after the 1st month?

A Kyrie implosion is not out of the realm of possibility.

But, they aren't taking Westbrook unless KD is gone.

So, what else is out there?

 

[fightinfunbags]

Lauri did not blow me away in Cleveland.

But, he was a nice, young asset, on a decent contract, to help facilitate this type of deal.

Every piece they got from the Cavs can be flipped for another asset.

I would love to see if Morey could make something work for some of the Jazz role players with Tobias Harris. Mark is a great fit at 4 for the Sixers. Quite frankly, he’s a jump shooting pussy which actually works well in spacing the floor for Embiid and Harden. Problem for the Sixers in shedding Harris is that they have no tradeable 1sts to sweeten taking on the big contract. You could argue though that Toby is the type of vet to create some structure in a team rebuilding so that you can get a better look at potential of young assets working alongside him.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I would love to see if Morey could make something work for some of the Jazz role players with Tobias Harris. Mark is a great fit at 4 for the Sixers. Quite frankly, he’s a jump shooting pussy which actually works well in spacing the floor for Embiid and Harden. Problem for the Sixers in shedding Harris is that they have no tradeable 1sts to sweeten taking on the big contract. You could argue though that Toby is the type of vet to create some structure in a team rebuilding so that you can get a better look at potential of young assets working alongside him.

Lauri would be a good fit.

But, I don't think Utah would go for that without a pick.

Never say never, they gave up Bev without a one.

But, that was going from a old guy to a younger one on the same deal * THT does have a option next year *

 

[fightinfunbags]

Obviously, the main stars make everything run but Okoro is so important to the future of this team imo. If he can expand his game it would make this team's ceiling that much higher. Still have my doubts about the makeup but we will see. DM can score and Garland needed help in a big way

This deal does remove pressure from Okoro in rushing his offensive development. Without Mitchell, they really needed him to step up and score immediately. Now that can occur more organically. Penetration of Mitchell or Garland should give him some stand still catch and shoot looks. I always think it’s easier for a player to develop if they can find an available role and then just work the fuck out of one key skill. It’s like dude…all we need is for you to get to 36-37% as a catch and shoot guy and then you have the pump fake and secondary drive off of initial drive and kick.

 

[wildturkey]

What do you expect to happen after the 1st month?

A Kyrie implosion is not out of the realm of possibility.

But, they aren't taking Westbrook unless KD is gone.

So, what else is out there?

Oh I don't mean they are still trying for Kyrie. He's off the table at this point. They'll shop Westbrook for whatever offer is out there whether its still talking to Indy or the Jazz or whoever. I'm just saying its worth keeping him on the roster for a little while to find a package that doesn't involve shipping out 2 first round picks. Kyrie was the only deal worth giving up 2 first round picks for. He's the only player they could have acquired to make them championship quality. The other rumored deals (Pacers, Jazz) won't. So just keep negotiating until you get the price down. The games you might lose with Westbrook on your roster for a little while aren't going to break your season

 

[tlance]

Props to Danny. Holy shit the man just crushes trades.

Yes and no.

Massive overpay for a player who isn’t that great.

But I think Ainge outsmarted himself here.

Fewer picks and lesser players from the Knicks would have eventually turned out better for Utah.

Cleveland going to be in the playoffs next few years.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Plus,

I mean- if Mitchell did not go to Cleveland he was going to New York or Miami. If he goes to New York- the Knicks are right in the same tier as the Cavs. If he goes to Miami- Miami is clearly a tier or two higher than the Cavs.

now the Cavs are much better than the Knicks and I think have a chance to punch just about any team in the East in the mouth if things break right. Not much separates teams #1 through 7 in the East.

 

[tlance]

Feel better about the gobert trade now. Not good....but better

You shouldn’t.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Plus,

I mean- if Mitchell did not go to Cleveland he was going to New York or Miami. If he goes to New York- the Knicks are right in the same tier as the Cavs. If he goes to Miami- Miami is clearly a tier or two higher than the Cavs.

now the Cavs are much better than the Knicks and I think have a chance to punch just about any team in the East in the mouth if things break right. Not much separates teams #1 through 7 in the East.

Agree with a lot of this. Because those teams are so close, it comes down to matchups. A Mitchell/Garland back court can be exploited.

 

[ElPatron1]

Seems like Mitchel is happy to be out of Utah lol

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Yes and no.

Massive overpay for a player who isn’t that great.

But I think Ainge outsmarted himself here.

Fewer picks and lesser players from the Knicks would have eventually turned out better for Utah.

Cleveland going to be in the playoffs next few years.

Yea. Knicks gonna Knicks.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Seems like Mitchel is happy to be out of Utah lol

Only cracka ass Salt Lake would make a man run around to go to Cleveland