2022-23 Flyers: How about just less suck?

[purdue81]

The pansy stayed out for like 5 shifts just to get 6 dozen stitches in his face. What a lightweight.

Morgan Barron reportedly received 75 stitches after an inadvertent skate to the face. He’s still playing. What a warrior

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[lasgop8]

The pansy stayed out for like 5 shifts just to get 6 dozen stitches in his face. What a lightweight.

Morgan Barron reportedly received 75 stitches after an inadvertent skate to the face. He’s still playing. What a warrior

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Hockey players are tough as they come except for our players

 

[lasgop8]

Lehigh Valley takes a 1-0 in their series Foerester with 2 goals.

 

[Maverick426h]

And the extra point is GOOD!!

I never get tired of watching MAF flop all over the ice like a fish out of water while giving up an excessive amount of goals, even if it is Dallas scoring on him.

It's no different than when we netted 5 on him earlier this season for the OT win. Love to see it!!

 

[lasgop8]

Look at these stats especially the high end 4th liner stat. How can you give an A- to a player with these stats? I thought Cates had a solid year but an A minus is ridiculous. Charlie O'Connor picks and chooses the players he writes good and bad stuff about. He really pushes whichever narrative he wants and because he writes for the Athletic people think he is knowledgeable about hockey. ​

Noah Cates​

The best part about Cates’ season is that even if it’s not graded on a curve, it was quite impressive.

Per Evolving-Hockey’s xG RAPM model, Cates graded out as the second-best defensive forward in the NHL, trailing only Dallas’ Radek Faksa. He finished sixth among rookies in total points. And he did it all despite consistently being deployed against top lines and in tough faceoff usage.

Add in that he spent the entire year at his secondary position of center, and it looks even better.

It’s easy to ding Cates for his lack of scoring efficiency, particularly at even strength. But given his usage and the fact that he was basically tasked with learning the center position on the fly while adapting to the toughest hockey league in the world, that he only scored like a good fourth-liner isn’t terribly concerning. At the very least, Cates looks like a stellar shutdown middle-six center, and there’s upside for more.

Grade: A-

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Look at these stats especially the high end 4th liner stat. How can you give an A- to a player with these stats? I thought Cates had a solid year but an A minus is ridiculous. Charlie O'Connor picks and chooses the players he writes good and bad stuff about. He really pushes whichever narrative he wants and because he writes for the Athletic people think he is knowledgeable about hockey. ​

Noah Cates​

The best part about Cates’ season is that even if it’s not graded on a curve, it was quite impressive.

Per Evolving-Hockey’s xG RAPM model, Cates graded out as the second-best defensive forward in the NHL, trailing only Dallas’ Radek Faksa. He finished sixth among rookies in total points. And he did it all despite consistently being deployed against top lines and in tough faceoff usage.

Add in that he spent the entire year at his secondary position of center, and it looks even better.

It’s easy to ding Cates for his lack of scoring efficiency, particularly at even strength. But given his usage and the fact that he was basically tasked with learning the center position on the fly while adapting to the toughest hockey league in the world, that he only scored like a good fourth-liner isn’t terribly concerning. At the very least, Cates looks like a stellar shutdown middle-six center, and there’s upside for more.

Grade: A-

Didn't he play a lot with Seeler? They were a solid pairing all season imo. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else?

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Gonna have to hit my meth dealer up today, these west coast games are getting later or maybe I'm just getting older.

 

[lasgop8]

Didn't he play a lot with Seeler? They were a solid pairing all season imo. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else?

Bro did you wake and bake today? the ranking was about Noah Cates

 

[lasgop8]

Gonna have to hit my meth dealer up today, these west coast games are getting later or maybe I'm just getting older.

 

[awaz]

Look at these stats especially the high end 4th liner stat. How can you give an A- to a player with these stats? I thought Cates had a solid year but an A minus is ridiculous. Charlie O'Connor picks and chooses the players he writes good and bad stuff about. He really pushes whichever narrative he wants and because he writes for the Athletic people think he is knowledgeable about hockey. ​

Noah Cates​

The best part about Cates’ season is that even if it’s not graded on a curve, it was quite impressive.

Per Evolving-Hockey’s xG RAPM model, Cates graded out as the second-best defensive forward in the NHL, trailing only Dallas’ Radek Faksa. He finished sixth among rookies in total points. And he did it all despite consistently being deployed against top lines and in tough faceoff usage.

Add in that he spent the entire year at his secondary position of center, and it looks even better.

It’s easy to ding Cates for his lack of scoring efficiency, particularly at even strength. But given his usage and the fact that he was basically tasked with learning the center position on the fly while adapting to the toughest hockey league in the world, that he only scored like a good fourth-liner isn’t terribly concerning. At the very least, Cates looks like a stellar shutdown middle-six center, and there’s upside for more.

Grade: A-

I think it's relative to expectations/role. He's a 5th round pick that was primarily touted as a 2-way guy (aka defense first). As a rookie playing out of his natural position against other teams' top lines he still put up really sound defensive metrics. If Cates, as a 5th round pick, turns out to be a high-end 4th line center that can shut other teams' top lines down then it was a very successful pick. Relatively speaking.

Just comes back to how far off the Flyers are right now. On a cup contender, Cates is probably a 4th line center. Maybe a 3C. He played 1C for a lot of this season for the Flyers. The Flyers get an F for being in that position, but Cates did well playing above where he should be slotted.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Bro did you wake and bake today? the ranking was about Noah Cates

I must have been on some good dope lol. No for some reason I was thinking of York. Also I can't get baked cause I'm with my youngin, lol. Maybe that's the problem.

 

[Retroram52]

And the feud continues...

Flyers' Tony DeAngelo calls benching 'ridiculous,' says he can make it work with John Tortorella

After John Tortorella benched Tony DeAngelo for the final five games of the Flyers' season, can the head coach and defenseman make it work in Philadelphia? By Jordan Hall

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[Chris p Bacon]

And the feud continues...

Flyers' Tony DeAngelo calls benching 'ridiculous,' says he can make it work with John Tortorella

After John Tortorella benched Tony DeAngelo for the final five games of the Flyers' season, can the head coach and defenseman make it work in Philadelphia? By Jordan Hall

www.yahoo.com

Well it's one of two things, either he's to dumb to realize that airing his grievance publicly is almost a guarantee to his demise as a Flyer, or the media is fanning the flames for a bigger story.

 

[lasgop8]

I think it's relative to expectations/role. He's a 5th round pick that was primarily touted as a 2-way guy (aka defense first). As a rookie playing out of his natural position against other teams' top lines he still put up really sound defensive metrics. If Cates, as a 5th round pick, turns out to be a high-end 4th line center that can shut other teams' top lines down then it was a very successful pick. Relatively speaking.

Just comes back to how far off the Flyers are right now. On a cup contender, Cates is probably a 4th line center. Maybe a 3C. He played 1C for a lot of this season for the Flyers. The Flyers get an F for being in that position, but Cates did well playing above where he should be slotted.

I 100% agree that Cates did very well playing above where he was slotted and i also agree that he is a successful pick.

Giving him a A rating with the numbers listed is just plain bad reporting.

 

[Sparhawk]

Look at these stats especially the high end 4th liner stat. How can you give an A- to a player with these stats? I thought Cates had a solid year but an A minus is ridiculous. Charlie O'Connor picks and chooses the players he writes good and bad stuff about. He really pushes whichever narrative he wants and because he writes for the Athletic people think he is knowledgeable about hockey. ​

Noah Cates​

The best part about Cates’ season is that even if it’s not graded on a curve, it was quite impressive.

Per Evolving-Hockey’s xG RAPM model, Cates graded out as the second-best defensive forward in the NHL, trailing only Dallas’ Radek Faksa. He finished sixth among rookies in total points. And he did it all despite consistently being deployed against top lines and in tough faceoff usage.

Add in that he spent the entire year at his secondary position of center, and it looks even better.

It’s easy to ding Cates for his lack of scoring efficiency, particularly at even strength. But given his usage and the fact that he was basically tasked with learning the center position on the fly while adapting to the toughest hockey league in the world, that he only scored like a good fourth-liner isn’t terribly concerning. At the very least, Cates looks like a stellar shutdown middle-six center, and there’s upside for more.

Grade: A-

Kevin Hayes was a -22 in 81 games.
Konecny was a -12 in 60 games.
Frosty was a -12 in 81 games.
Laughton was a -9 in 78 games.

The Flyers had a -55 goal differential this season.

Cates was a +3 in 82 games.

How many folks had that on their bingo card at the beginning of the season?

 

[Retroram52]

Well it's one of two things, either he's to dumb to realize that airing his grievance publicly is almost a guarantee to his demise as a Flyer, or the media is fanning the flames for a bigger story.

Absolutely Crispy. Torts is guy that doesn't forget and often carries grudges. Maybe DeAngelo is upping the ante because he wants to get traded. Well he may just get his wish when the opportunity presents itself.

 

[awaz]

Kevin Hayes was a -22 in 81 games.
Konecny was a -12 in 60 games.
Frosty was a -12 in 81 games.
Laughton was a -9 in 78 games.

The Flyers had a -55 goal differential this season.

Cates was a +3 in 82 games.

How many folks had that on their bingo card at the beginning of the season?

And against top lines to boot. I get the A- rating. Certainly not an A- if you compare him to the elite players in the league, but relative to expectations, absolutely.

 

[lasgop8]

Kevin Hayes was a -22 in 81 games.
Konecny was a -12 in 60 games.
Frosty was a -12 in 81 games.
Laughton was a -9 in 78 games.

The Flyers had a -55 goal differential this season.

Cates was a +3 in 82 games.

How many folks had that on their bingo card at the beginning of the season?

I certainly didn't and i agree he was a solid player for us this season and solid draft pick. But he was certainly not an A in the grade scale with those numbers.

 

[lasgop8]

And against top lines to boot. I get the A- rating. Certainly not an A- if you compare him to the elite players in the league, but relative to expectations, absolutely.

This is like saying you're the best of the worst so well give you a top grade.

 

[awaz]

This is like saying you're the best of the worst so well give you a top grade.

I don't think the alternative is really a useful exercise. The Flyers sucked. Everyone should get an F. But that's not real interesting analysis.

I mean even TK. Points/60 he was a mid-tier 1st liner, but he was also in the 16th percentile for play driving which is terrible. Maybe you split the difference and give him a C?

 

[awaz]

Moving on though. Based on points/60 from the article, this kind of shows the issue that the Flyers have. There a lots of holes there to becoming a 'high end' team. Probably need 6 top 9 forwards to get to cup contender level. Couturier and Atkinson fill 2 of those roles, TBD what level they fill.

1st line
Need player
Need player
TK - mid tier 1st liner

2nd line
Frost - high end 2nd liner
Tippett - mid-tier 2nd liner
Need player

3rd line
Hayes - low end 2nd liner (likely gone this summer)
Farabee - low end 2nd liner
JvR - high end 3rd liner (gone this summer)

4th line
Cates - high end 4th liner
Laughton - mid tier 4th liner
Allison - low end 4th liner

Scratch
Deslauriers - sub-4th liner