Game Thread: 2021 March Madness Thread

[fredsdeadfriend]

They aren't even official titles. That's like saying OSU won the Sagarin title in 98

They got listed as Titles in multiple Sports Almanacs, and on dozens of Wikipedia pages among other web sources.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Lol - you claim Illegitimate yet bragging about a shirt vs skins championship in 1902

My 1902 Gopher bb team did FOUR things your 1939 Webfoot bb team did not do.

#1 - They beat the supposedly best team in the nation, in 1902 that was Yale, and they beat them soundly. Oregon couldn't beat Bradley, LIU did.

#2 - My Gophers won ALL of their games in 1902. Oregon lost FIVE games and were stomped by Bradley, btw, 52-39, and Oreg St 31-50.

#3 - My 1902 Gophers were declared Natl Champs by well renowned & highly esteemed Helms Athletic Foundation, they chose LIU not Oregon.

#4 - My 1902 Gophers were declared Natl Champs by the esteemed Primo-Porretta Poll who also chose undefeated and NIT Champs LIU, not Oregon.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

They got listed as Titles in multiple Sports Almanacs, and on dozens of Wikipedia pages among other web sources.

They weren't handed out or played for in the year the games were played. There were no polls or anything. This is all retroactive stuff.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

They weren't handed out or played for in the year the games were played. There were no polls or anything. This is all retroactive stuff.

Most cfb titles weren't played for either, and until what, 1936, there were no standardized polls, either. But guess what...

the same team that dominated college football in 1934 and 1935, amazingly continued to dominate cfb in 1936 and 1940 and 1941 as well, needing the frigging bombing of Pearl Harbor and an entire World War that followed to derail their dominating of cfb.

The starting up of a standardized or widely recognized poll did not magically transform cfb into a legitimate college sport, just like introducing the BCS or now the CFP hasn't magically transformed the sport, either.


Oregon was no diamond in the rough just waiting for the NCAA to appear and magically reveal them as the first REAL and legitimate bb team EVER to exist in cbb history. In fact the NIT tourney was recognized by MOST cbb fans at the time, cept Webfoot fans I'm sure, lol, as the REAL and more legit tournament, and LIU, UNDEFEATED LIU, as the REAL, legit Natl Champ. And where did Oregon go after 1939? Why did their Natl Title not vault them into a long history of cbb dominance? Oregon needed Nike to come along and assist them in becoming a school to sometimes pay attention to. The NCAA at the time had just started up, and wasn't recognized nationally for several more years.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Most cfb titles weren't played for either, and until what, 1936, there were no standardized polls, either. But guess what...

the same team that dominated college football in 1934 and 1935, amazingly continued to dominate cfb in 1936 and 1940 and 1941 as well, needing the frigging bombing of Pearl Harbor and an entire World War that followed to derail their dominating of cfb.

The starting up of a standardized or widely recognized poll did not magically transform cfb into a legitimate college sport, just like introducing the BCS or now the CFP hasn't magically transformed the sport, either.


Oregon was no diamond in the rough just waiting for the NCAA to appear and magically reveal them as the first REAL and legitimate bb team EVER to exist in cbb history. In fact the NIT tourney was recognized by MOST cbb fans at the time, cept Webfoot fans I'm sure, lol, as the REAL and more legit tournament, and LIU, UNDEFEATED LIU, as the REAL, legit Natl Champ. And where did Oregon go after 1939? Why did their Natl Title not vault them into a long history of cbb dominance? Oregon needed Nike to come along and assist them in becoming a school to sometimes pay attention to. The NCAA at the time had just started up, and wasn't recognized nationally for several more years.

the rules the game was played by in 1902 were absurd man. Bragging about a retroactive title from then is pretty sad.

 

[navamind]

I love that there's still a 2015 March Madness banner for the subforum.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I love that there's still a 2015 March Madness banner for the subforum.

To be fair it's still in Indy lol

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

the rules the game was played by in 1902 were absurd man. Bragging about a retroactive title from then is pretty sad.

Rules change all the fukking time dude, doesn't change the fact that the team's that won titles in year X or year Y didn't all play by the same basic rules and were recognized nationally as the best in the nation. Stop being a loser.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

the rules the game was played by in 1902 were absurd man. Bragging about a retroactive title from then is pretty sad.

Where do you think UCLA looked to for a coach? Same place Minnesota looked, to a Big Ten alum, a former National Player of the Year and a member of a Natl Title winning team. Who declared the team Natl Champs and who declared the player as NPOY? The Helms AF, lol. So Minnesota thought they had John Wooden coming to coach for them, but there was one last phone call that needed to take place. A snowstorm in Minnesota prevented them from getting the call through to Wooden, so John thinking Minnesota chose not to hire him, called UCLA and accepted their offer. How would a school out on the West Coast know about some Purdue alum who played cbb when they were just intramural games? Why would anyone have even known who he was since he played cbb before 1939 when the sport magically transformed into a legit sport?

 

[Duckboy33]

fred's homerism rivals that of maizeNblue09's.

Ive never seen this kind of arrogance from a fan of a program like Minnesota...

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Rules change all the fukking time dude, doesn't change the fact that the team's that won titles in year X or year Y didn't all play by the same basic rules and were recognized nationally as the best in the nation. Stop being a loser.

They beat 4 HS teams and the teachers along with one school that doesn't exist 3 times and a school that is now d 3 on the way to their retroactive title. Impressive stuff.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

They beat 4 HS teams and the teachers along with one school that doesn't exist 3 times and a school that is now d 3 on the way to their retroactive title. Impressive stuff.

And Yale and Wisconsin(another early cbb power), Iowa and Nebraska as well.

 

[gob]

They beat 4 HS teams and the teachers along with one school that doesn't exist 3 times and a school that is now d 3 on the way to their retroactive title. Impressive stuff.

you must be pretty bored

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Ive never seen this kind of arrogance from a fan of a program like Minnesota...

"a program like Minnesota"??? lol

You mean a program that has produced

6-10 cfb Natl Ttiles, 7 NFL Hall of Famers, THE MOST NFL All-Decade Players in the nation, the MOST high point scorers in NFL History, the highest scoring player in AFL history, the most CFL Grey Cup Title winning coaches, and is one of the top NFL coach producing colleges in the nation? A cfb Award is named after one of our players. The Natl Title Trophy was once named after one of our coaches.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

you must be pretty bored

Yep lol

Just did school with the kid so we had the computer out anyway. Never actually bothered with looking at hoops from back then...I got lost in it lol.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Ive never seen this kind of arrogance from a fan of a program like Minnesota...

"a program like Minnesota"??? lol

You mean a program that has produced

over a dozen college hockey Natl Titles, 3 Hockey Hall of Famers, dozens of US Hockey Hall of Famers, TWICE as many US Olympic Hockey players than any other college, probably 10 times as many Gold Medal winning College hockey players, the most Hobey Baker winners, has gotten more wins in the NCAA Men's and Women's Ice Hockey tournaments than any other college, more appearances, more Frozen Four appearances and the most Title Game appearances. Was largely responsible for the Miracle on Ice, the #1 biggest sports upset in the 20th Century, produced the first American to coach an NHL team to the Stanley Cup Title game, then later won the Stanley Cup with another team. Produced multiple players who went on to coach other programs to multiple Natl Titles, and has produced the most NHLers in history and most years those alums outscore alums from every other college in the NHL. Also produced the first NHLer to score 100 points and get a hat trick in the Stanley Cup, etc.. I really could write a book about just how embarrassingly dominant UMn was at the sport of hockey at all levels, College, olympic, pro, international, etc..

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Ive never seen this kind of arrogance from a fan of a program like Minnesota...

"a program like Minnesota"??? lol

You mean a program that has produced

The THIRD MOST Academic All-Americans in the nation over the last 6 years???

You mean a program that has produced MORE Nobel Prize winners than all 14 SEC schools COMBINED???

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Ive never seen this kind of arrogance from a fan of a program like Minnesota...

"a program like Minnesota"??? LOL

You mean a program that has produced

19 National Championship Dance Teams in just the 21st Century? And ranks among the Top 3 universities in the production of College Debate Team Natl Titles and Solar Rayce Car Title winning Cars, not just national titles, either, but world titles???

That kind of a program? That has averaged a Top 25 ranking in the Sears Director's Cup since it's inception? I've seen them ranking #2 in the nation after the winter sports season on multiple occasions. But of course southern schools dominate spring sports, so the always drop spots after the spring but still remain ranked in the Top 25 far more times than not.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Ive never seen this kind of arrogance from a fan of a program like Minnesota...

"a program like Minnesota"??? lol

You mean a program that has produced

More NBA players than all but 6-7 programs well into the first decade of the 21st Century? With 50 NBAers now, they still rank among the Top 15 schools at producing NBA players. A school that has produced 4 Naismith Hall of Famers and five 10,000+ scorers in the NBA, 4 players with multiple All-Star game appearances. A school with 3 Helms and Primo-Porretta Poll Titles and over a dozen All-Americans? Alums who have won half a dozen NBA titles, several CBA titles, a couple Titles for Notre Dame, put Arizona cbb on the map?

A program who was THE ONLY SCHOOL in all of college sports history to have an alum coaching a Pro sports team in each and every one of the 4 Major League sports all in the same year?!

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Ive never seen this kind of arrogance from a fan of a program like Minnesota...

"a program like Minnesota"??? LOL

you mean a program that has produced

TWO 3000+ MLB hitters who both got into the Hall of Fame on their First Ballots? Who ranks Top 10 maybe, or at least Top 20 in the production of MLB players, who has produced a MLB All-Star Game MVP and a World Series MVP, who has placed 3 Alum into the AL All-Star Game all in the same season? A program that has produced two of the most successful college baseball coaches of all-time, the Gopher's current coach who ranks Top 20 in career wins and may soon get into the Top Ten, all while coaching a frigging Northern team and Jerry Kindall who won 3 titles coaching Arizona, after being a part of the Gopher baseball team whose coach led them to 3 Natl Titles as well, in 56, 60 and 64, and to a 3rd place finish in the CWS in 1973 when Dave Winfield won Tourney MVP despite his team not even winning, who produced a player who for the first time in college sports history got drafted into 3 major league sports, and who later became the Highest paid Pro athlete in history up to that time.

A program that is the only school in the entire nation to produce multiple Natl Titles in all 4 of the major league representative sports?