2021-2022 Mariners offseason/free agency thread

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Secondly, it should be emphasized that there’s no indication in the report that a blockbuster addition of both Bryant and Story is at all likely, nor does Divish suggest that Frazier will be actively shopped by the Mariners. Some would question the logic of acquiring Frazier in the first place if the end result were only for him to be traded just a

after establishing a few points up front. For starters, it’s certainly possible that even if Seattle were to pull off an unlikely stunner and sign both Bryant and Story, Frazier could still be deployed as a multi-position super utility player. That’d cut into the available playing time for switch-hitting Abraham Toro, but Toro could conceivably rotate between multiple infield positions (third base, second base and perhaps even first base) and designated hitter himself. He also has minor league options remaining.


yeah it is unlikly.....the only reason ...is...the amount of years...for bryant.,2 or 3 years....but im sure...bryant is looking for more years...
but the mariners have a loaded....farm...

they are not all...for trade.....hello....

do i like bryant...sure i do....that is not the point though.....

 

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Birthdate:	12/20/1996 (25 y, 1 m, 16 d)
Drafted:	2016 June Amateur Draft - Round: 5, Pick: 21, Overall: 157, Team: Houston Astros
Contract:	1 yr, TBD (2022)
abraham toro
Service Time:	1.162	Free Agent:	2027	Arb Eligible:	2022	MiLB Options:	2

Quick Look​

2021 Games Played:	2B:	58	3B:	32	1B:	2

Season	Team	Level	G	PA	HR	AVG	OBP	SLG	wOBA	wRC+	WAR
2021	- - -	MLB	95	375	11	.239	.315	.373	.303	95	1.2
2022	Steamer	PROJ	110	454	15	.257	.332	.424	.328	113	2.4
Total	- - -	MLB	153	561	16	.220	.299	.358	.290	84	1.1

Prospects Report

2020 Graduates	Team Rank:	3	Overall Rank:	N/A	ETA:	2020

Hit	Game Power	Raw Power	Speed	Field	Throws	FV
50 / 55	45 / 50	55 / 55	60 / 60	40 / 45	60 / 60	45+

playes..2B/...3B/...and..yes...1B...fan graphs...

 

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Graduation TLDR: The enigmatic Toro has the tools and statistical track record befitting an everyday player but his swing and throwing can look odd, leading to some doubt as to their true efficacy.
RotoWire News: Toro will get some outfield reps in spring training to increase his versatility, Corey Brock of The Athletic reports. (12/1/2021)

 

[ulmax]

while..frazier..and story..can play..3B..as well..and so can france...

and white..will hit..at tacoma....and he will...be 1B..on the mariners...yes he will....

so bryant is over kill....
where...story...is not..
cuz they..have frazier....and moore..

 

[ulmax]

i do like bryant for the yankees.and dump that bull pen.......story..and conforto....for the mariners.....sorryabout that...ya gota build up the center..
ya just do...

 

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yeah..here is the thing...saattle has pitching...and is going to have pitching....they are not hurting like they were in the past....

suzuki...is a nice player....he is an outfielder...not infield....and not CF...if he was the mariers would be more on him.....there is only...one pkayer...that fits....for the mariners outfield in free agents...and that is conforto....its also nice.....he is from seattle...yep....so nice...

cuz ya need that LHbat..after...france and haniger...and seager..,is gone....soooooooo.......and waiting for kelenic...will..not do...unless it is off the bench...kelenic..will probably outpace fraley...this year....yeah..he prob will...but fraley..is the on base guy...that would be good off the bench..

so im a bit torn...between the 2...for bench guy...then jedi..likes moore....so be it...he is an excelent defender( and why they dont need bryant)...if he was an ecellent hitter....the mariners would not need story..........but he is not...and they do.....

soo
frazier...utility...DH...L/L....ok then
moore....utility....everywhere...but CF...ok then..

maribers could use...a true Cf.....ok then..only cuz...we are unsure of lewis...at this point.....
mariner like..

Kevin Padlo #30​

• 3B
• B/T: R/R
• 6' 2"/210
• Age: 25
• as back up 3b...yeah..so far..hitting300..at AAA...yeah...prob need to hit 350 or so...out west....but there is potential..there..
• but they could use..maybe one more...????...maybe...cuz between tacoma and seattle he would play...

and we cant say.....padlo...is ready...yet.....

my guy...miranda...is ready.....TWINS......yeah i know...ouch...that hurts...lololo

 

[SeattleCoug]

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Interesting. I see Frazier as probably only a 1 year guy as is.

I do think either Bryant or Story is a must but would love both obviously

 

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Jake Fraley 28

L/L

6' 0"

195

05/25/1995

while fraley..born in 95..

Taylor Trammell 20

L/L

6' 2"

213

09/13/1997

trammell..in 97...he still..has room to improve....i would not send him..anywhere...this year....next who knows ..

Julio Rodríguez 85

R/R

6' 3"

180

12/29/2000

julio..is awsome..but he is AAA...this year.....unless...he can CF...

i dont think...the mariners are ready...to trade deloach....just yet......a 20 20 draft pick..but he is at AA...and has to be in the coversation...

Zach DeLoach #12​

• CF
• B/T: L/R
• 6' 1"/205
• Age: 23

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• Zachary Dixon DeLoach
• Status: Active
• Born: 8/18/1998 in Irving, TX
• Draft: 2020, Seattle Mariners, Round: 2, Overall Pick: 43
• College: Texas A&M
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for me it is either....kelenic...or...fraley...after spring.....we will know....if...they ever play....at al..

 

[ulmax]

Interesting. I see Frazier as probably only a 1 year guy as is.

I do think either Bryant or Story is a must but would love both obviously

how do you explane...1 ..LHbat..in the line up.....crawford...and...kelenic...maybe.....i can do that....

.frazier adds the bat...and the ave...mariners did not have a DH...anyway
...he is a 2B....and utility...??????...moore the better.....tong in cheek...ha..lolol...and why..they dont need bryant..

conforto...to re-place seager....

story....to..#2..hitter...and 2b...for an awesome line up..
trade for manaea....LHp....oakland
and miranda....3b...twins..

yeah thats my shopping list at this point...i struggled with the whole bryant thing..a ..longtime...and now i know...its story..


done..................

 

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Name	Position	MTV ($Ms)
Miranda	2B	13.5
Palacios	SS	0.5

Total Value: 14.00​

Angels Astros Athletics Blue Jays Braves Brewers Cardinals Cubs Diamondbacks Dodgers Giants Guardians Mariners Marlins Mets Nationals Orioles Padres Phillies Pirates Rangers Rays Red Sox Reds Rockies Royals TBD Tigers Twins White Sox Yankees Twins

Name	Position	MTV ($Ms)
Feliz	OF	2.4
Gonzalez	OF	6.6
Padlo	3B	0.9
Stoudt	RHP	4.1

Total Value: 14.00​

MarinersTwins.....re -did my miranda trade...they dont really need outfield guys...lower ones maybe...but they need pitchers..

 

[ulmax]

my acual..kelenic trade..works for the mariners....this year...and probable draft pick comp...but they would need the miranda trade s well..

cuz chapman and manaea...are one year guys....maybe...with draft pick comp..

Name	Position	MTV ($Ms)
Kelenic	OF	49.8
Margevicius	SP	0.1
McCaughan	RHRP	0.8

Total Value: 50.70​

Angels Astros Athletics Blue Jays Braves Brewers Cardinals Cubs Diamondbacks Dodgers Giants Guardians Mariners Marlins Mets Nationals Orioles Padres Phillies Pirates Rangers Rays Red Sox Reds Rockies Royals TBD Tigers Twins White Sox Yankees Mariners

Name	Position	MTV ($Ms)
Allen	SS	7.6
Chapman	3B	24.1
Manaea	SP	18.5

Total Value: 50.20​

AthleticsMariners

 

[ulmax]

this solves a bunch of probs....3b..LHP..chapmon start...........toro..3B/1B...off the bench...fraley off the bench...moore and cal raleigh...bench solved..

• Matt James Chapman
• Nickname: Hurtado
• Born: 4/28/1993 in Victorville, CA
• Draft: 2014, Oakland Athletics, Round: 1, Overall Pick: 25
• College: Cal State Fullerton
• Debut: 6/15/2017

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Matt Chapman
#26 3B
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• Matt James Chapman
• Nickname: Hurtado
• Born: 4/28/1993 in Victorville, CA
• Draft: 2014, Oakland Athletics, Round: 1, Overall Pick: 25
• College: Cal State Fullerton
• Debut: 6/15/2017

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Year	AB	R	H	HR	RBI	SB	AVG	OBP	OPS
2021 Stats	529	75	111	27	72	3	.210	.314	.717
MLB Career Stats	2091	338	509	111	296	5	.243	.330	.808

Year
2021 Stats
MLB Career Stats

• Status: Active
• Next OAK Game: 02-26 @ CWS

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• MLB
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Season	Team	LG	G	AB	R	H	TB	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	IBB	SO	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	GO/AO
2017	OAK	AL	84	290	39	68	137	23	2	14	40	32	0	92	0	3	.234	.313	.472	.785	0.57
2018	OAK	AL	145	547	100	152	278	42	6	24	68	58	0	146	1	2	.278	.356	.508	.864	0.83
2019	OAK	AL	156	583	102	145	295	36	3	36	91	73	0	147	1	1	.249	.342	.506	.848	0.84
2020	OAK	AL	37	142	22	33	76	9	2	10	25	8	0	54	0	0	.232	.276	.535	.811	0.47
2021	OAK	AL	151	529	75	111	213	15	3	27	72	80	0	202	3	2	.210	.314	.403	.717	0.60
MLB Career	-	-	573	2091	338	509	999	125	16	111	296	251	0	641	5	8	.243	.330	.478	.808	0.71

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chapman..is ok....but toro..may be better..by the end of the year.............but it is covered....so that...is ok.....solves..every..but a maybe CF..and maybe..julio...can do that...
and nothing is saying they cant re-sign them...either...
it is sacrificing...kelenic..yes it is....but he will have a good future.in oakland...as..well.......and more than likly traded again....cuz oakland is just starting its re-build...maybe not thow.....cuz like..mariners kept haniger....

kelenic s not a guy....i want to throw under the bus....mariners...just need to.....ok...the under the bus song...lolol

 

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accually chapman is only...arb 2..so 2 more years would work for the mariners.and maybe no need fora miranda trade...yet at least...

..for sure....with..toro..and no need for bryant...but
they would need the other free agents..i have said...
and if ..........white is not at MLB by then....he may never be....but i dont think that is the case.....

• Contract Details
• Career Earnings
• Transactions
• Injuries
• Statistics

• Current Contract​

  CONTRACT:1 yr(s) / -

  SIGNING BONUS:-

  AVERAGE SALARY:-

  FREE AGENT:2024 / UFA

  YEAR		AGE	BASE SALARY	LUXURY TAX SALARY	PAYROLL SALARY	ADJUSTED SALARY	YEARLY CASH
  2022		29	$9,500,000	$9,500,000	$9,500,000	$9,500,000	$9,500,000($9,500,000)
  2023		30	ARB 3
  2024		31	UFA

 

[ulmax]

keep an eye on miranda though...he could go bullistic....and then everyone will be sorry.....they did not trade for him....

but im high on............ james parker....so...im good with chapman.....for now....

the kelenic trade above....creates a bridge.....for the mariners....to there minor...leaguers....taking a bunch...of presure off...everyone...
where they can just.....play ball...
gives williamson.one more year...and maybe some MLB starts this year...a good thing.....to slide right in....

 

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Justus Sheffield 33
and
Anthony Misiewicz..
LHP...out of the pen.....

and no miranda trade gets tha mariners out of tradeing stoudt...which they do not want to anyway.....that trade is soo nice...

 

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mariners best pitchers....ever...

Mark Langston​

Position: Pitcher
Bats: Right • Throws: Left
6-2, 177lb (188cm, 80kg)
Born: August 20, 1960 (Age: 61-169d) in San Diego, CA us
Draft: Drafted by the Chicago Cubs in the 15th round of the 1978 MLB Ju

Randy Johnson​

Position: Pitcher
Bats: Right • Throws: Left

Jamie Moyer​

Position: Pitcher
Bats: Left • Throws: Left
6-0, 170lb (183cm, 77kg)

Félix Hernández​

Position: Pitcher
Bats: Right • Throws: Right
6-3, 220lb (190cm, 99kg)
Born: April 8, 1986 (Age: 35-303d) in Valencia, Vene

Freddy García​

Position: Pitcher
Bats: Right • Throws: Right

 

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Rick Honeycutt​

Position: Pitcher
Bats: Left • Throws: Left
6-1, 185lb (185cm, 83kg)
Born: June 29, 1954 (Age: 67-221

Mike Moore​

Position: Pitcher
Bats: Right • Throws: Right
6-4, 205lb (193cm, 92kg)
Born: November 26, 1959 (Age: 62-071d) in Carnegie, OK us
Draft: Drafted by the St. Louis Car

there are other guys..but these are the most notable...

 

[ulmax]

mariners.,.history..does not have a lot of really good pitchers....these are some good ones....but most..did not have the rest of a good rotation..
to go to playoffs with...we all know these guys....no explanation needed.....

that..is about...to change..

.the mariners are about to have one of there best rotations ever.....if they could get a start date......and amonth..to finnish..offseason trades...and signings.........
i blame the owners...first.....but i blame....the players as well.....for some stuff....like not hashing it out....put in the work...in the office...

so everyone can get on the field..............and put the product out...

owners...have not put out there numbers...sense 1932...
but trump...has to have...his tax....return..in court....there is something wrong with that..

one way......or.......the other.

..and things like that.....

will sour....the milk.......yes .....it......will...


setting ...bad. presidence...is the worst thing......anyone could ever do....worse..than..dying...cuz...at least...when..you are dieing..
when you are dead its ....over....

bad presidence...lives on......while everyone chokes on it....

 

[seahawksfan234]

I don’t want Toro as a starter for 2022. If they can get an Olson then it isn’t ideal but moving him to 3B isn’t a bad move. They need a 3B for sure and if Bryant isn’t there I am just saying I don’t think we should rule out moving France if we can upgrade at 1B if possible isn’t a bad option. Ideally he is your DH but then you have to get a 1B and 3B in FA or trade and have to deal Lewis and that IMO is a lot to ask for from this front office and the M’s not getting hosed.

I don't want to get too excited but everything I've read indicates the Mariners will land at least one/maybe two of the trio of Kris Bryant, Suzuki or Story. Whenever Divish has mentioned Story or Bryant in the same sentence, he sounds pretty confident they will land at least one of the two. Even though there is a lockout, you know teams are still talking to agents under the table.

If they sign Bryant I'd be okay with Frazier starting at second. We've already discussed it but I'd prefer not to overpay for Story given all the concerns I have regarding him.

I think I would consider the offseason a big success if we sign Bryant for 3rd, Suzuki at OF and trade/sign another top of the rotation pitcher. In this scenario, the only glaring hole we'd have amongst position players would be at catcher.