2021-2022 Mariners offseason/free agency thread

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as far as houston goes...i dont know why anyone would want to play...on astro turf.....yuk...that is just me though..

some football stadiums had it back in the 70s...i dont like it...

 

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tell me a story..of legends and glory.,..tell me the story..of trevor...a trevor story....

trevor had a leavor..and he was cleavor...trevor hed cevor leavor....jack...

 

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ten minute asslling.regailia...creators bane...of shame



tell me a story..of legends and glory.,..tell me the story..of trevor...a trevor story....

trevor had a leavor..and he was cleavor...trevor had cleavor leavor....jack...

 

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trevor at the plate..he ate a curve ..whack..
with style...it went a mile...and trevor began a trott with hand riased..all were amazed

(sounds like cat in the hat....i cat believe..im writing this...lololl....ohhh well)
(an excuse...uh..uhh...im playing atalya..a 3 dayer..in chess..2 games...so far..and that messed my brain up.....ohhhh it was messed
up...already....yeah...that may be true...ohh well...lolol)

 

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billy boyd..AB..deck hand..or at least he played..one in master and commander...

 

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a question i would like to know...why does not holywood try dragon riders of pern...yeah..maybe they cant pull it off...yeah..

maybe...

next..when the ocean looks like this...it is a bit scarry .............................for real.......................

 

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the boat...can not..turn back...in any amount of time to help...the man...and that..unfortunatly...would be hard....reality...as portrayed..in the movie.

 

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Cameron Maybin Announces Retirement​

By Anthony Franco and Sean Bavazzano | January 3, 2022 at 5:50pm CDT
Longtime major league outfielder Cameron Maybin announced his retirement this evening. The 34-year-old appeared in fifteen major league seasons, suiting up with ten different clubs between 2007-21. He spent the bulk of that time — four seasons apiece — with the Padres and Marlins.
“I’ve played this game since I was 4 years old,” Maybin wrote as part of his announcement, the full text of which is available on Twitter. “Three decades later, my love for baseball is only matched by the love I have for the family that’s supported me every step of the way. … Although my journey as a professional baseball player ends here with the announcement of my retirement, my work in this game is just getting started. I’m excited for what lies ahead, including my work with the Players Alliance in our effort to provide access and opportunity for the next generation of Black ballplayers.”
Maybin was a first-round pick back in 2005, selected tenth overall by the Detroit Tigers. At just 19 years old, Maybin made quick work of his minor league competition and drew praise from a number of publications. Baseball America regularly ranked the speedy outfielder among the top ten prospects in the game, doing so from 2007 until he exhausted prospect eligibility in 2009.
Though he made his Major League debut for the Tigers in 2007, a franchise-altering trade sent Maybin, along with a young Andrew Miller and others, to the Marlins for Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis. Irregular playing time but continued minor league dominance made Maybin a target of another trade just a few years later, when the Padres acquired him to be their starting center fielder for relievers Ryan Webb and Edward Mujica.
San Diego took well to their new center fielder, as Maybin broke out with a 40-steal, 103 OPS+ showing in his first year on the West Coast. That performance, combined with Maybin’s stellar glove up the middle, resulted in a 5-year $25MM extension before the 2012 season. Before the contract’s expiration, Maybin was dealt in yet another high-profile trade. In this deal, new Padres general manager A.J. Preller made his presence felt by acquiring closer Craig Kimbrel in an Opening Day-beating deal with the Braves.
After a year in Atlanta, Maybin bounced around between eight teams, providing clubs with speed and modest offense in the outfield and off the bench. During this stretch, Maybin had a resurgent year when he reunited with the Tigers in 2016, sporting a 118 OPS+ in 94 games. He pushed his offense to new heights in 2019, with a strong .285/.364/.494 (127 OPS+) showing in 82 games for an injury-ravaged Yankees team.
Maybin was set to look for 2022 opportunities as a veteran depth option for clubs. Instead, he’ll eschew a complicated free agent market and retire a career .254/.323/.374 hitter with 187 steals.
MLBTR congratulates Maybin on an excellent career, and wishes him the best of luck with his Players Alliance endeavors and elsewhere.

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Evan White Begins Baseball Activities​

By Anthony Franco | December 20, 2021 at 7:12pm CDT

• Mariners first baseman Evan White has fully recovered from the season-ending left hip surgery he underwent in mid-July and has begun some baseball activities, writes Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times. While a return to full health is an unequivocal positive, there’s still plenty of question about how productive White will be in 2022. After all, he’s already been supplanted on the depth chart by Ty France, who looks cemented as the regular first baseman following a .291/.368/.445 showing in 2021. White, who’s under contract through at least 2025 thanks to the pre-debut extension he signed in November 2019, owns only a .165/.235/.308 line across 306 career MLB plate appearances. The 25-year-old did win a Gold Glove award in 2020, but he’ll obviously need to be far more productive offensively to earn everyday playing time. Divish writes that some within the organization feel White could benefit from more time at Triple-A, and he does still have all three minor league option years remaining. He’s expected to see some outfield time in Spring Training to broaden his defensive versatility, although the bigger question figures to be his form at the plate once gameplay resumes.

im good with white....i think...he will...have a good season...at tacoma...and maybe up sometime at september...and next year..
i know he can...hit....just need to get better.............
and there is time.........no not forever.....

 

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Gained And Lost From Qualifying Offer Free Agents​

By Mark Polishuk | December 19, 2021 at 8:34pm CDT
Of the 14 free agents to receive qualifying offers this winter, nine have already figured out where they will be playing next season, leading to some noteworthy adjustments to the 2022 draft order. For a refresher on the QO rules, you can check this list of what signing a qualifying offer-rejecting free agent would cost each team, or this list of what teams receive as compensation for losing a QO-rejecting free agent.
Or, for simplicity’s sake, you could just read this post right here as a quick summary of the extra picks gained and lost due to these signings. First of all, four of the nine signed players don’t factor into the discussion, since they are back with their former teams — Brandon Belt accepted the Giants’ qualifying offer in the first place, while Raisel Iglesias re-signed with the Angels, Chris Taylor re-signed with the Dodgers, and Justin Verlander re-signed with the Astros.
For the five other signed QO free agents and the five unsigned QO free agents, here is the breakdown of what their former teams would receive as compensatory picks. The specific order of the compensatory picks is based on the previous year’s record, so the team with the fewer wins would get the superior pick.

• Extra pick after Round 1 of the draft: This is awarded to a team that receives revenue-sharing funds, and whose QO-rejecting free agent signs with another team for more than $50MM in guaranteed salary. The Rockies and Reds would therefore each qualify if Trevor Story (Colorado) or Nick Castellanos (Cincinnati) signed for $50MM+. Since the Reds had the better record between the two teams, the Rockies would pick 32nd overall and the Reds 33rd overall if both clubs indeed ended up in this same category. If Story and/or Castellanos signed for less than $50MM, Colorado and/or Cincinnati would be in the next group…
• Extra pick between Competitive Balance Round B and Round 3: Four picks have already been allotted within this group, comprised of teams who don’t receive revenue sharing funds. The Mets received an extra selection when Noah Syndergaard signed with the Angels, the Blue Jays received two picks when Marcus Semien signed with the Rangers and Robbie Ray signed with the Mariners, and the Red Sox got a pick when Eduardo Rodriguez signed with the Tigers. Like Toronto, the Mets could also receive a second pick if Michael Conforto signed elsewhere. The Braves (Freddie Freeman) and Astros (Carlos Correa) would also land in this category if their respective QO free agents left town. The draft order of this sandwich round based on 2021 record would line up as Mets (77 wins), Braves (88 wins), Blue Jays (91 wins), Red Sox (92 wins), and Astros (95 wins). For the moment, the four picks in this group represent the 75th-79th overall selections in the draft, though that specific order will be altered based on where the other QO players sign, or what other second-round picks might be surrendered as penalties for signing those free agents.
• Extra pick after Round 4: For teams that lose a QO free agent but exceeded the luxury tax threshold in 2021, their compensatory pick is pushed back to beyond the fourth round. Therefore, this is where the Dodgers will make their extra pick in the wake of Corey Seager’s deal with the Rangers.

Moving on, here is what the four teams who have signed QO free agents had to give up in draft capital…

• Second-highest 2022 draft pick, $500K in international signing pool money: The Angels didn’t receive revenue sharing funds, and didn’t exceed the luxury tax in 2021. As a result, signing Syndergaard will cost the Angels their second-round draft selection and a chunk of their funds for the next international signing period.
• Third-highest 2022 draft pick: The Mariners and Tigers fall into this category, as teams who received revenue sharing payments in 2021. For Seattle, this is simply their third-round selection. For Detroit, their “third-highest pick” won’t be determined until MLB establishes the order for this year’s Competitive Balance Draft. Depending on which of the two CBD rounds the Tigers are drawn into, their cost for the Rodriguez contract could either be their second-rounder or their pick in Competitive Balance Round B.
• Both their second AND third-highest 2022 draft picks, and $500K in international signing pool money: The Rangers splurged by signing both Seager and Semien, and thus faced twice the draft penalty (both their second-round and third-round picks) for landing a pair of QO free agents. Texas would have faced the same penalty as the Angels if it had signed just one of Seager or Semien.
• Second- and fifth-highest 2022 draft picks, $1MM in international signing pool money: The stiffest penalty is reserved for teams who exceeded the luxury tax threshold last season. Therefore, only the Dodgers and Padres would have to give up multiple picks to sign a single QO free agent, which would surely influence any efforts on their part to pursue Correa, Freeman, Conforto, Story, or Castel

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ould therefore each qualify if Trevor Story (Colorado) or Nick Castellanos (Cincinnati) signed for $50MM+. Since the Reds had the better record between the two teams, the Rockies would pick 32nd overall and the Reds 33rd overall if both clubs indeed ended up in this same category. If Story and/or Castellanos signed for less than $50MM, Colorado and/or Cincinnati would be in the next group…

cant worrie about draft picks.....they need story...
same with
. Like Toronto, the Mets could also receive a second pick if Michael Conforto signed elsewhere...

forget about draft...picks...till after...they get who they need...........

if these guys..it looks like 3...
so some CBB picks would for sure....help....

means ya gotta trade...and send more than ya get back...in personel....anyway..after spring training.....that would be my strategie anyway..

but cant worrie..about the pain of it....and 3 would be painfull...

once again...working from top down.....a streamline.............then..pushhing up from the bottom again in july...

unluckely...for the mariners,,,seager...retired...or they might get comp from that.....aye yi ....yi..

 

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[seahawksfan234]

No idea with Lewis. I haven’t ever had any issues with surgeries. As you said he has had multiple surgeries and they all have been under the Mariners umbrella. Or maybe he thinks they rushed him back? Who knows, it is the only thing I could think of if they are saying there isn’t a timetable. Every surgery I’ve had or have heard of they’ve given me a timetable within a month at the longest and then it becomes flexible with a set backs or whatever. Or maybe it is on the Mariners side on thinking Kyle isn’t recovering as quick as they want and it is a shot across the bow for him. No idea, it just very strange.

Bryant is the number 1 guy and has been my number 1 guy. It is just if he is going to price himself out of Jerry’s range….which there shouldn’t be. I think Story would be a plan B but the Frazier move kind of seems like Jerry is on plan B at least with 2B so probably with 3B too. I know I am redundant but I really really want them to figure out 3B so there is as least the option of dangling Marte for a big trade. With how “stacked” the farm system is it would be nice if they break camp and they don’t have any untouchables in the system assuming Julio breaks camp.

I have zero experience with surgeries as well. Only surgery I've ever had was a hernia surgery when I was a kid lol.

I think that when it comes to Bryant, there shouldn't be a price that Dipoto isn't willing to pay for him. I really do think he is the crucial piece we really need and makes way too much sense for the organization. I wasn't willing to overpay for Semien - but given Bryant's versatility and consistency - I'd be completely willing to overpay for him, perhaps not in terms of years but in average per year.

Either way, be it Bryant or not, the Mariners need to make a splash at 3B. Even though Seager's BA/OBP numbers were not good, we still need to replace 35 HRs, 100 RBIs and 29 doubles in the lineup and the way the roster is currently constructed, there isn't a 3rd baseman in the organization who can replicate that immediately.

 

[wazzu31]

I have zero experience with surgeries as well. Only surgery I've ever had was a hernia surgery when I was a kid lol.

I think that when it comes to Bryant, there shouldn't be a price that Dipoto isn't willing to pay for him. I really do think he is the crucial piece we really need and makes way too much sense for the organization. I wasn't willing to overpay for Semien - but given Bryant's versatility and consistency - I'd be completely willing to overpay for him, perhaps not in terms of years but in average per year.

Either way, be it Bryant or not, the Mariners need to make a splash at 3B. Even though Seager's BA/OBP numbers were not good, we still need to replace 35 HRs, 100 RBIs and 29 doubles in the lineup and the way the roster is currently constructed, there isn't a 3rd baseman in the organization who can replicate that immediately.

One of the few early and basic premises of Moneyball I agree with is your last statement. With Seager gone they have to at a minimum replace his production but I don’t want to hear the they upgraded 2B and downgraded 3B and it is a wash.

 

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nice.........................lolo
and that is right on soccor

 

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One of the few early and basic premises of Moneyball I agree with is your last statement. With Seager gone they have to at a minimum replace his production but I don’t want to hear the they upgraded 2B and downgraded 3B and it is a wash.

it has to be a down grade at 3b somewhat....seager was a top defensive 3B....and hit 36 Hrs...just his ave sucked...and for 3B...guys
not that bad......it used to be....your 3B guy==power guy...and a lot of teams had good ones...it has been a while...sense..i have seen that..
80s 90s yeah..but they where falling even then...now..there are wayy less good ones...only a hand full..of ones like they had in the 70s and 80s
but toro will be............ you wait and see......yeah..bryant is an all star....


but if im spending money...and making a bet......i go with top defense...up the center....and develop...toro...
to what we think....he can be.....like one of those ancient...3B guys...he had..an ave better than seager...and 11..HRS...not bad..
hopefully he gets a whole year...to prove it..........
then they have a 3B..guy at tacoma...
but keep an eye on ....
james parker......he will...go as far as his bat..will let him....

 

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also i really hope keenan breaks out this year we really dont talk about him that much.....cuz there nothing to talk about..
hopefully this year there is..........if not i dont have much....hope ....for him......as a ball player...

sorry about that...

 

[Msfann]

MLB needs to get off their lazy asses and get this lockout ended but it seems like they are more concerned with going on vacation. This was supposed to be a fun time of the year watching all the free agents signings but MLB would rather be boring and completely irrelevant.

They need to hurry up so we can get back to our usual watching big free agents thumb their noses at Seattle and sign elsewhere.

 

[Podunkparte]

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