2021-2022 Mariners offseason/free agency thread

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but im pritty sure..this would flaten...the money...at the top...shurzer..would not have..40 mil...if he waited...till..the bargain was over..
live..by it...

die by it....

 

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deturmin fair merket value...take the last..1year..to 5 years..for each..position...take the 2 highist numbers...and find..what is in the middle..

no...it is not..an ORIEO..COOKIE..wirdo...

its a number of market value..for...arb...or they could do the number...how they want....as i said....i have limited resourses...

 

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if 26 players..are at 20 mil...that is 520..mil.....lux tax....must go up...not down.....and market value..adjustments...

what they want..(the players)...must be within reason...

just going by what..they want...the top guys...will get ..flatend...over time......

be carefull...what you wish..for....you just may git it.........

 

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players can not be allowd..to distroy....there sport...a 20 pct resurve..after...expenses..for the owners is resoonable..from..
a players point..of view...not from..an owners....they want all they can get...lololololl

owners are in it...for maney reasons...

the first..and..biggest..is money..and prestige..

 

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1/2.of520...the amont of 26 players..at 20 mil..is 210..what is lux tax===210..so..i would say..the players want to get close..
to 330...3/4..

a big jump..up to 260..prob would go first...with all other numbers follow.===arb and base...

lololol..just a guess....

 

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some..clubs...might be sold.....take a guess..on that one.....but if the players...get there..money...they should cave..on collective..
bargain..

revenue share.....

 

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union on strike...???

 

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twitter.
If this is true seems surprising !

 

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mlb did not come up with..the number..of ...210.mil..for lux tax...out of no where..but i will go to spotrac...and look at mlb finances..

it fits to well....to be nothing....

 

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What is “tanking”?

For purposes of this article, tanking is when a team does not use it’s best efforts to put a winning team on the field. It doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re going for higher draft picks, or that they see no benefit in improving from 65 to 75 wins. The motive is profits, not winning. If those two things were interdependent, fewer teams would be tanking and more would be trying to win to make money.

While the Detroit Tigers slashed payroll by 55 percent over five seasons, attendance plummeted by over 50 percent from 2013 to 2019. Meanwhile, national and shared local TV revenues have soared and Detroit’s local TV revenue remained steady. Both local and national TV revenues will increase again after the 2021 season with new contracts and franchise values continue to climb.

The fact that teams can share lost attendance profits with 29 other clubs provides a strong disincentive to paying players to win games. The result? Tanking.

Aren’t teams required to spend revenue sharing money on players?

Article XXIV of the collective bargaining agreement requires clubs to use revenue sharing funds to boost their winning percentage, not their profits. The MLBPA has filed grievances against several clubs, and the growing number of teams tanking supports their position. This is probably the biggest issue in the upcoming CBA negotiations.

The other Revenue Sharing discussion

Another type of revenue sharing that isn’t covered above is sharing revenue between teams and players. The National Basketball Association, National Hockey League, and the National Football League all have a form of revenue sharing in their collective bargaining agreements. These deals require that a percentage- typically between 48 and 51 percent of revenues as defined by their CBA, is shared with players in the form of salaries. Thus, when profits increase, salaries increase.

The mere mention of “revenue sharing” has understandably sent the MLB players’ association into a frenzy. The cancellation of the 1994 season was caused by feuding over MLB owners’ demands for a salary cap- which is tied to revenue sharing. The two things go hand in hand. And along with the salary cap, there is a salary floor. Whenever MLB owners mentioned revenue sharing, or a salary floor, the MLBPA would erupt in opposition.

MLB’s big bluff

Last summer, MLB owners reportedly approved a proposal to share revenues they had for the season with players on a 50/ 50 basis. Commissioner Manfred got the enjoyment of tossing a molotov cocktail into the media pit, watching the players and less informed media members react like a Doberman on a t-bone steak. The proposal was never presented to the players,

Manfred knew that the players would never agree to share revenues in lieu of pro-rated salaries which had already been bargained for, especially in the one season where MLB revenues were going to sharply decline. Owners would have had to open their books and disclose their revenues, which they have been unwilling to do since before the Dodgers left Brooklyn.

you see...they say..all the money..the team makes..supposedly..but here it says...the owners..will not disclose...so..the numbers..are a guess

or what they know from the sorces..they have....the players..may have ..a better..idea..but it leaves a question...as to...what are they..really after
and how much...money..MLB teams..acually..make...cuz..the number..is skewed......and things omitted...the48..pct..of..revenue share..

is not counted..in what a team makes...cuz it goes to the owners...the team..did not make it...??

so..they..do need to disclose..there revenues....the owners

 

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De-Facto Salary Cap

Ironically, the MLBPA has gradually given ground in each successive CBA to the point where they have a de-facto salary cap, under the guise of the “competitive balance tax”. While teams can theoretically spend on salaries above the tax threshold, the penalties for doing so are a powerful deterrent. Teams not only pay up to a 95 percent tax on salaries above the threshold, but they now forfeit draft picks and revenue sharing dollars as well. Penalties are most severe for repeat “offenders”.

making this....seem....like a bunch...of garbage..

to just gain..owners more money....

 

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if they took..the owners..from..48 pct....to..30 pct...the players..would be happier.....basicly..and as you can..see...

it is complicated.....and..the owners..will not disclose....the actual...numbers..

the 1st..thing is..i guess...what the owners make.....is not considerd...what the team ...makes....

this is just a way...to hide...what teams bring in.....for the owners...

all..they really..

.reveil...is the budget...they have the team on....

so...it is...bsbsbsbsbs

 

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so...the players are....saying....the owners...are ruining...baseball.....

and the owners..are..hiding..behind.....non discloser...and...bsbsbsbabs...basicly..they want to make themselves

..look..and sound good......to everyone else.......so they can continue...to ruin baseball...and...and get a bigger..RAKE..

to rake it in..

 

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and...that...is where...the..

BEEF...is

 

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while..i was siding with the owners....at the start....i am seeing the players side of it....at this point..

..cuz..they call..things..what they are not.....and i know why...........owners want..to call it what ...it is not...so they can look good...

like...the service...time..issue...is really..an...arb..issue..guys in arb..get paid more..yes...but not enough..in relation..to there stats..and market value...
and owners..hold that arb..down...yes..they do..............and even before...this came up....i noticed it...

owners...dont call...themselves.....part...of the team....when..they most certainly...are.....

aside from..that...all we see....is the owners...budget....for the team....

and them crying...that they can not afford nothing.....fans are gitting....played...as are players .....by the owners.......

 

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Mariners lifer Seager retires from baseball​

December 29th, 2021

Daniel Kramer
@DKramer_
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SEATTLE -- Kyle Seager announced on Wednesday that he is retiring from Major League Baseball after 11 seasons, all with the Mariners.
Seager made his announcement via his wife, Julie, who shared the news on Twitter, with the simple caption: “A note from my husband.”

"Today I'm announcing my retirement from Major League Baseball," Seager's statement said. "Thank you to all of my family, friends and fans for following me throughout my career. It's been a wonderful ride but I am unbelievably excited for the next chapter of my life."
It was a surprising development -- given that the 34-year-old third baseman showed he had more left in the tank after a strong 2021, in which he hit 35 homers with 101 RBIs, both career highs -- but one that wasn't necessarily shocking. The workmanlike Seager retires after an emotional send-off from Seattle, one that left just about all of his teammates in tears on the final day of the regular season.

 

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wow i did not see that coming.....

blidsided...oooooofffff

good luck....fair winds and following seas...

kyle seager...................