2021-2022 Mariners offseason/free agency thread

[NWinAZ]

Do me a favor and convince me that Kelenic is not going to end up hitting like he did in 2021.

I can't. I see disappointment when I watch him. I have more faith that Ackley will be more productive in the future than Kelenic.

 

[NWinAZ]

Here's a question for you guys;

If Julio makes the opening day roster, what do you guys see the lineup looking like? Assuming Julio is the starting centerfielder, which corner outfield spot does Kelenic take? Who DHs?

Winker to DH in that scenario. Winker is not a good outfielder. The other thing people forget about Winker, he has never played more than 113 games in a season. Only played 110 last year. Another Haniger? 1523 PA's in 5 years. 305 average per year.

 

[NWinAZ]

 

[NWinAZ]

 

[wazzu31]

I will concede that you do bring up great points about Moneyball. Personally I don't associate Moneyball with the Red Sox WS titles because they also had money to spend. But I suppose that type of blended approach is what I want the Mariners to go after. Identify underrated players and spend to retain/obtain stars. But if you do that, it's not "Moneyball" it's just smart front office management.

You bring up a great point about the A's. It's kind of ironic because it's almost like a paradox they can't get out of. They develop well, identify good players, but then they can't retain those players, ship them off for prospects and they're back at step 1.

I believe that if Kelenic, JRod and Raleigh live up to their potential, this isn't just a potential playoff team, it's a potential 100 win team. But, that's a big if.

I really do really worry about Kelenic though. I try to convince myself I'm jumping the gun by focusing on his pedigree and the strong finish last year, but man he really struggles to shake off a bad game and really gets in his head. @NWinAZ and @wazzu31 please work your magic of proving me wrong and convince me I shouldn't be concerned about him.

With Jerry attracting premiere position players, I get where you're coming from and I'm probably repeating myself here but this is really the first offseason where we've been a serious player in free agency looking for a position player. So with this, I'm willing to give him a bit of a pass. I will say I would fucking love to see Boras and Dipoto locked in a room for 24 hours. Probably the two biggest egos in baseball, although one's ego is justified.

You could be right on Semien or Bryant. I don't think we'll ever know for sure. Hypothetically speaking with Kris Bryant, had we offered him the exact same money the Rockies did, I'd probably pick the Rockies as well. He will put up MVP type numbers hitting in that ballpark. With Semien - who I really wanted - we will probably agree to disagree, there's not a snowballs chance in hell I'd give 7 years $175m to a guy who will be 32 in September and has two good seasons under his belt.

I guess with Moneyball the only time people ever point out that it has been successful is Boston. I fully agree with Moneyball in terms of filling out the roster but not building a roster which for some reason Moneyball has been defined. The movie confirmed it for the people who care about numbers because it focused on the couple of guys Beane got in that offseason not the incredible amount of young talent that was on that team. If you only read the book or watched the movie you wouldn’t realize they had a MVP and another guy who came in the top 10. Plus two guys who got Cy Young votes. Great movie but focused on 3 players and an overrated book that only focused on self serving its author’s agenda IMO.

With regards to Kelenic, the dude has aand has proven he has all star talent. His problem is mental and I have no idea on if I can talk you off the cliff or not if I can talk you off the cliff. I am massively in the minority on thinking he can still play CF, I think he is a solid CF but IMO he brought his struggles at the plate into the field which is way more concerning than his rookie season batting .180 or whatever it was.

If Kelenic and JRod alone live up to their potential plus Raleigh taking another step forward it is better than getting Bryant or Story offensively. My main issue is IMO the off-season was essentially banking on the young guys better work out. Ray is an amazing get that Jerry deserves all the credit in the world for but they are in the exact same situation next off season where they need a 2B and 3B. As a fan my entire goal was to make Marte an expendable prospect in a trade deal which now he is the most untouchable prospect in the farm system.

 

[ulmax]

2023 free agents

PLAYER (12)	POS.	AGE	BATS	THROWS	TEAM	2022 SALARY
Ken Giles	RP	31.5	R	R	SEA	$9,500,000
Chris Flexen	SP	27.8	R	R	SEA	$4,000,000
Sergio Romo	RP	40.7	R	R	SEA	$2,000,000
Steven Souza	RF	34.5	R	R	SEA	$1,000,000
Mitch Haniger	RF	32.9	R	R	SEA	$8,500,000
Adam Frazier	2B	31.9	L	R	SEA	$7,500,00

 

[ulmax]

i think they will re-sign haniger and fraizer

the only questions....
will be flexen and giles
hopfully

Chris Flexen signed a 2 year / $4,750,000 contract with the Seattle Mariners, including a $600,000 signing bonus, $4,750,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $2,375,000. In 2022, Flexen will earn a base salary of $2,750,000, while carrying a total salary of $3,050,000.

the only resaon they would not re-sign flex...is gilbert is ready to take his spot..and brash ,kerby,stoubt,marge .could handle
gilberts spot plus #5...one guy out 2 of the above list in...2 extra

 

[ulmax]

22

Seattle Mariners

28

$82,045,714

$7,700,000

$3,750,000

-

-

$93,495,714

93 mil is below ...mlb ave
they still should be able to sign..haniger and frazier....easy

ave is134,400,431

 

[ulmax]

is julio in/up/on the mariners for good yes i think he is....a few..days ago...he almost won the game..all on his own..
and an insidethe park HR...war...though the roof there
if that dont say it ...i dont know what does.....................

if lewis is back...its likly....kelenic..goes to tacoma for batting practice.............

Zach DeLoach #73​

is likely there by next year........................witch is ok ...they can still handle trammell kelenic and deloach..

 

[ulmax]

in which all cf move up....and we do it again

 

[ulmax]

mariners always need...there one or two guys at tacoma...
injurys happen....
things happen...
that is depth........

so unless..they have 3 guys with an other..coming from AA...dont say they have too maney...

for pitchers..
i have already talked about flexen....
what..happens if guys are not ready....then they pay flex the going price...whivh after this year..will be higher....and go one more year..

 

[ulmax]

for pitchers..
i have already talked about flexen....
what..happens if guys are not ready....then they pay flex the going price...whivh after this year..will be higher....and go one more year..

there accually...at the 8 mark..with no one behind for now....but isaiah campbell...and we will have to see after that...

they may resign..flex...???

indeed they may..................

ifa trade happens its likely for an AAstarting LHP....and whatever else..

 

[ulmax]

they are at the right amount...and nothing..is pressing........for now...

but draft which they will not have till all star break..will not be a break..for gms and scout guys

 

[ulmax]

and sense guys are in the 8 man rotation even if they are not on the 40 man....we need to start thinking...draft.
and pitchers....for the next round..

so far this is realistic......lol

Gabriel Hughes

Gonzaga

4

1

2.43

6

6

0

0

0

37.0

19

11

10

12

56

2

1

.148

Justin Campbell

Oklahoma State

3

1

2.11

6

6

1

0

0

38.1

19

10

9

10

58

4

1

.147

LHP

Tyler Thomas

Baylor

3

3

1.79

6

6

0

0

0

40.1

24

8

8

5

41

1

1

.174

Ixan Henderson

Fresno State

4

1

1.27

5

5

0

0

0

28.1

20

5

4

10

41

0

6

.196

2 HS guys

and maybe even...

Thatcher Hurd

UCLA

1

0

0.98

7

4

0

0

0

27.2

14

4

3

8

44

1

1

.146

just depends

 

[ulmax]

my cf list ..so far

Jacob Melton

Oregon State

CF

.441

.466

.882

1.348

16

68

25

30

5

2

7

33

2

2

10

7

1

J.T. Weber

Southern Illinois

CF

.418

.492

.809

1.301

27

110

35

46

7

0

12

30

4

13

20

3

2

Guy Lipscomb

Belmont

CF

.343

.446

.500

.946

19

70

15

24

2

3

1

13

3

10

3

17

2

Colby Shade

Oregon

CF

.455

.543

.709

1.252

17

55

19

25

6

1

2

19

3

10

6

4

1

Cole McConnell

Louisiana Tech

CF

.347

.429

.528

.957

19

72

18

25

4

0

3

22

2

9

15

1

1

ss

Carter Young

Vanderbilt

SS

.284

.423

.534

.957

26

88

21

25

4

3

4

19

3

19

28

2

1

Maui Ahuna

Kansas

SS

.438

.526

.713

1.239

21

80

15

35

7

3

3

22

2

13

17

5

2

Zach Neto

Campbell

SS

.348

.471

.636

1.107

20

66

14

23

6

2

3

13

5

12

11

3

1

Brad Malm

Albany

SS

.388

.475

.871

1.346

20

85

31

33

6

1

11

25

3

12

13

1

0

 

[ulmax]

short stops

Josh Kasevich

Oregon

SS

.352

.419

.472

.891

27

108

28

38

4

0

3

24

3

11

6

4

0

Trey Faltine

Texas

SS

.311

.398

.660

1.058

29

106

26

33

5

1

10

27

4

12

41

3

0

 

[ulmax]

this is the first time really...i willl be digging into the HS guys...............so..im at it...

 

[ulmax]

max preps..list..catchers hrs 2 of the topcatchers at least omited...yes they are on top 100 mlb

George Soto - Sr	Animo Leadership (Inglewood, CA)	C, 3B	.704	30	19	27	6	3	0	1

Devon Carr - Sr	Kearny (San Diego, CA)	C, INF	.652	39	15	23	4	2	0	10

Lahiem Bell - Sr	Vero Beach (FL)	C, UTIL	5	0	55	14

Reed Alexander - Sr	Corning (CA)	P, C	.529	42	18	34	1	1	4	12

Matteo Bellisimo - Sr	Tamalpais (Mill Valley, CA)	1B, C	.500	62	24	48	5	0	3	14

Ethan Ward - Sr	American Leadership Academy (Spanish Fork, UT)	C, 2B	.500	39	16	32	3	1	4	11

Tariq Freeny - Sr	Mesquite (Gilbert, AZ)	C, DH	.473	86	35	74	14	2	5	22

Joel Miller - Sr	Tallulah Falls (GA)	OF, C	.469	47	15	32	3	2	4	11

Collin Irwin - Sr	Pinole Valley (Pinole, CA)	C, 2B	.444	52	20	45	4	3	4	15

Jackson Toberman - Sr	Seacrest Country Day (Naples, FL)	C, 3B	.447	53	21	47	5	0	6	14

that is my...top 10 catchers...not max preps...theseguys are in the top 100...at max preps though

 

[ulmax]

max preps top 100 LHP..these guys are top 20

Myles Patton - Sr	Millikan (Long Beach, CA)	1B, LHP	1.28	43.2	8	11	182	14

Justin Jackson - Sr	Seacrest Country Day (Naples, FL)	LHP, OF	0.79	35.2	4	15	159	14

Nate Creason - Sr	Excelsior Charter (Victorville, CA)	LHP, 1B	4.95	35.1	25	41	177	12

Alex Flores - Sr	Carroll (Corpus Christi, TX)	LHP, 1B	1.70	33	8	15	155	19

Jordan Watson - Sr	La Quinta (CA)	LHP	1.75	32	8	16	125	11

Matt O Brien - Sr	Royal (Simi Valley, CA)	LHP, OF	1.27	38.2	7	10	149	11

Braydon Wooldridge - Sr	Glendora (CA)	LHP, CF	1.29	38	7	16	174	17

Devon Daniel - Sr	Kerman (CA)	LHP, OF	0.38	37	2	4	138	13

Aiden Byrd - Sr	Peoria (AZ)	LHP, OF	2.27	37	12	18	155	18

Chase Hoover - Sr	San Marcos (Santa Barbara, CA)	LHP, 1B	1.70	33	8	12	144	14

Luke Fogarty - Sr	St. Francis (La Canada, CA)	LHP, OF	3.25	32.1	15	27	149	19

Austin Clinkscales - Sr	San Antonio Christian (San Antonio, TX)	LHP, OF	1.47	33.1	7	10	144	18

 

[MarinersBestFan]

Do me a favor and convince me that Kelenic is not going to end up hitting like he did in 2021.

I'd do the first trade in a heartbeat.

The second is intriguing. I would say that if those two moves were made, the Mariners would legitimately have one of the best lineups in baseball on paper.

When I see him post up a .285+ avg over 300ab's ... then and only then will I be a believer in his ability to hit in the bigs

You all mentioned Ackley ( or cracked a joke )
Turn the wayback machine to when Ackley got called up for his 1st trip into the show. was just after allstar break and he played regular and raked to an avg around .280 and hit just under 20 bombs in that 1/2 season of plate appearances.

Never again did he come close to that initial success batting, ever again. He became a total flop and the biggest #2 overall pick in the M's history and likely all of baseball.

Kelenic is on the same dreary path without the initial 'hot' start. He just swings like he is not seeing pitches well and getting fooled alot. No committment when he takes a hack at the ball