2021-2022 Mariners offseason/free agency thread

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Seems highly dumb that they haven’t made the club yet but are getting punished. 2020-half of 21 really screwed the Mariners and now this lockout. I swear they are the most unlucky franchise. Especially if the MLBPA gets what they want about service time 2024 is going to be hell as a fan here because they won’t be enough time to see if the players are worth as much money as they will getting. Some type of Larry Byrd rule or franchise tag rule needs to be put in place.

Obviously I’m not in the negations but from everything I’ve seen is a reasonable ask from the MLBPA and the owners are being dicks. First the owners hire non baseball guys to run the front office, young economic guys who watch Moneyball to become GM’s, then hire a commissioner who hates the game, and now have negotiators who don’t care about the sport.

imok with everthing...
except no............lottery........cuz lottery....is fixed.........usually...behind closed doors........
and as soon as they...get...3-5..picks..lottery....
the next one...they will...want..10 -15..then..the whole..thing.....it really is....

.the people..who are behind...the closed doors running...what they have no

right..to run....

.players do not have..the right..to...tell..the franchises...how..to do..there buisness....the lottery...is a play...for..that..to make the owners loose..control....and by doing that...they think...they..will gain..control....but they...will..not...

no....no..lottery...

go get your money.......stay off....the rules..

 

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Seems highly dumb that they haven’t made the club yet but are getting punished. 2020-half of 21 really screwed the Mariners and now this lockout. I swear they are the most unlucky franchise. Especially if the MLBPA gets what they want about service time 2024 is going to be hell as a fan here because they won’t be enough time to see if the players are worth as much money as they will getting. Some type of Larry Byrd rule or franchise tag rule needs to be put in place.

Obviously I’m not in the negations but from everything I’ve seen is a reasonable ask from the MLBPA and the owners are being dicks. First the owners hire non baseball guys to run the front office, young economic guys who watch Moneyball to become GM’s, then hire a commissioner who hates the game, and now have negotiators who don’t care about the sport.

there are....15teams...per league....they want...12..0f the...15..to make the playoffs...i do not...want.....soccor mom..playoffs..

or collage...style tournament.....for basketball......in baseball.....its garbage.....for idiots.........that..is not...baseball....i will stop watching if that happens....

cuz dummies......will.....have successfully...ruind the sport...........................

i could go with a HS daft....

and...a collage draft seperate...........cuz it happens a bit anyway...the first 4 or 5 rounds...are..HS...mostly...but the best...collage players are sprinkled in.........and the ........top......looosers...would get...double firsts...in HS and collage.....so..
when..they re-build.......and they still will.........it will be better...and faster....

that would be my offer...but what they..want..would be...unconditioal......NNNNNOOOO

 

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so..biggaset loser..of natoinal.league..has..HS........1st..
biggest..loser of american....collage.....
then the next year....they switch................no lottery..........and teams re-build double quik....with..the best Hs and collage guys....

in there system...there is nothing...like..what i just said.....

they..only...want to...

work..stuff...in there...own...direction...(the players)...with..absalutly...no reguard...for the game....or ..the people...watching it ( paying for it)

this does not ...fly..in real...buisness.....

people want..quallity.....not a shame...........of..things behind closed doors..............with smoke....and mirrors...

they ...will...ruin ....the sport..............

 

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teams re-building right now.........texas...oakland....arizona....minnesota..is in a step back..but they will be done soon....

kansas city.and baltimor.....is re-build....and will be done soon...

trying..unsuccessfully so far...angels...but they are gaining ground...on pitching...
..guardians...close..but no cigar...

white sox and detroit...are just finnishing up...on rebiulds....

national..
washington....miami....cubs..pittsburgh...re-biuld..

trying...
san diego....mets.....cinncinatti...philidelphia...

if they said...2 extra..wild card...teams...from each league......baseball...could handle that.......what they want...is out of the question.....

take last year...as ..example...
phili......and cinncinati..could have played...in national...
and
american..
seattle and toronto..could have plated...and maybe even...made a diff......

phili and cinni..would not have made a diff....
and there..are...years..when it is worse....so basketball..style....no...and no..thank you...

now if they go...HS..draft..collage..draft..for 1 or 2 years..then..go with..extended..playoffs..to 7 teams per league...i could go with that...

it would eventully lead to more parity....but...that..is not what..the players....want.......

they want to make it ...a.......... farse...with...only....money...coming...in there direction....and only...they..get to work..the system..

in other..words...they want....unreasonable...bull....carp.............

 

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wreseling...ruined...there own..sport...........with fake....wreseling......no fake baseball......

go write a movie...................

basketball..style playoffs would take to long..anyway....and in the end....would be unfair.....cuz they would keep.trying to.work it in there direction....


and people would stop..going to the ball park...becouse....of it...

 

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butthe basketball..people pushing there..way..will not care....cuz they...tink..when they distroy...baseball...that..there sport..will be #1..
it will not be....and niether will soccor.....
and soccor people..think the same thing.......as ..basket ball..people....

and they both know...football...is bigger.....so...when..they distroy....baseball..they will...turn...on the NFL...and try to distroy...them..

with a lottery......cuz....corruption.....does not stop.......it keeps...going..till...people...stop.....the

corruption

 

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my back up plan to..trade for ..Kevin Kiermaier 39.....is trad3 for...zimmer

Name	Position	MTV ($Ms)
Zimmer	OF	0.2

cleveland

Total Value: 0.20​

mariners

Name	Position	MTV ($Ms)
Hill	RHP	0.1
Weigel	RHP	0.1

 

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yankees on the trade channel..did not like...this trade..so its my backup to...Kris Bryant ...plan...

Mariners GET​

JD Davis
11.4

Mets GET​

Jonatan Clase
2.4
Gabriel Gonzalez
6.6
Juan Then
2.4
Total Value: 11.40
Total Value: 11.40

 

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Mariners​

Name	Age	Level	P1	P2	Availablility	Years	AFV	Salary	Surplus	Low	Median	High
Kiermaier	31	Majors	OF		Medium	2.0	11.5	14.7	-3.2	-3.4	-2.8	-2.2
Kinney		Minors	2B	3B					5.4	4.3	5.4	6.5

Total Value: 2.60​

Rays​

Name	Age	Level	P1	P2	Availablility	Years	AFV	Salary	Surplus	Low	Median	High
Benitez		Minors	LHP						0.1	0	0.1	0.2
Gerber	24	Majors	RHRP		Medium	6.0	0.5	0.6	-0.1	0	0	0
Swanson	27	Majors	RHRP	SP	Medium	4.0	-0.8	0.6	-1.4	0	0	0
Then		Minors	RHP						2.4	1.9	2.4	2.9

swanny..and gerber...are...worth a lot....to...the trade..does not..seem..right...but it a guy..to be named later......and tampa wants..swanny.

 

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Kevin Kiermaier #39​

• CF
• B/T: L/R
• 6' 1"/210
• Age: 31

SummaryStatsChartsAwardsSHOP

• Kevin James Kiermaier
• Nickname: Outlaw
• Born: 4/22/1990 in Fort Wayne, IN
• Draft: 2010, Tampa Bay Rays, Round: 31, Overall Pick: 941
• College: Parkland College
• Debut: 9/30/2013

March 4, 2022

Rays 1​

Name	Age	Level	P1	P2	Availablility	Years	AFV	Salary	Surplus	Low	Median	High
Gerber	24	Majors	RHRP		Medium	6.0	0.5	0.6	-0.1	0	0	0
Swanson	27	Majors	RHRP	SP	Medium	4.0	-0.8	0.6	-1.4	0	0	0
Then		Minors	RHP						2.4	1.9	2.4	2.9
Walton	27	Majors	2B	OF	High	6.0	0.2	0.6	-0.4	0	0	0

Total Value: 2.40​

Mariners​

Name	Age	Level	P1	P2	Availablility	Years	AFV	Salary	Surplus	Low	Median	High
Kiermaier	31	Majors	OF		Medium	2.0	11.5	14.7	-3.2	-3.4	-2.8	-2.2
Pie		Minors	SS						3.8	3	3.8	4.6
Ramirez		Minors	SS						1.3	1	1.3	1.6

 

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i cant get ride of swanny....i will have to send a guy later..............

• Erik Swanson
• Nickname: Swanny Pops
• Born: 9/04/1993 in Fargo, ND
• Draft: 2014, Texas Rangers, Round: 8, Overall Pick: 246
• College: Iowa Western CC
• Debut: 4/11/2019

Career Stats....are you...saying his...3.31..does ..not fit...in your bull pen.....ok...then the mariners will keep ..him..​

Season	Team	LG	W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SHO	HLD	SV	SVO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	NP	HB	BB	IBB	SO	AVG	WHIP	GO/AO
2019	SEA	AL	1	5	5.74	27	8	0	0	1	2	2	58.0	56	41	37	17	971	2	12	1	52	.243	1.17	0.73
2020	SEA	AL	0	2	12.91	9	0	0	0	1	0	1	7.2	11	12	11	3	149	2	2	0	9	.344	1.70	1.17
2021	SEA	AL	0	3	3.31	33	2	0	0	5	1	3	35.1	28	18	13	5	564	1	10	1	35	.212	1.08	0.56
MLB Career	-	-	1	10	5.44	69	10	0	0	7	3	6	101.0	95	71	61	25	1684	5	24	2	96	.241	1.18	0.69

Season
2019
2020
2021
MLB Career

Advanced Career Stats​

noo....its not a joke...........we hold....shuve it ...up....ya......class..next week...

 

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Mariners reliever Matt Festa underwent Tommy John surgery in March 2020, just a few weeks after Seattle outrighted him off their 40-man roster. As is typically the case for TJS patients, he lost around a year and a half rehabbing and didn’t return to minor league games action until last July. The righty had an excellent second half with Triple-A affiliate Tacoma, working to a 2.95 ERA over 21 1/3 innings. He punched out a whopping 36% of batters faced while walking a minuscule 3.5% of opponents, but that wasn’t enough to earn another look in a Seattle bullpen that was among the league’s best.
Because he’s no longer on the 40-man roster, Festa is not subject to the ongoing lockout. Ryan Divish of The Seattle Times writes that he’s been participating in Seattle’s minor league camp and flashed mid-90s fastball velocity in workouts this week. If he maintains that form throughout camp, he could be an option for Seattle in the event of injuries or underperformance among the big league relievers. Festa, 29 next month, posted a 4.70 ERA/4.97 SIERA over 30 2/3 big league innings between 2018-19. He’ll need to recapture a spot on the 40-man roster to get back to the MLB level.
More from Seattle:

• Former Mariners designated hitter Nelson Cruz hit free agency at the end of the year. Some Seattle fans have pined for a reunion, no surprise given Cruz’s success in the Pacific Northwest. He hit .284/.362/.546 over four seasons with the Mariners. Cruz wasn’t quite that productive last year in his age-40 campaign, but he still combined for an above-average .265/.334/.497 showing in 584 plate appearances with the Twins and Rays. That kind of production would be a notable upgrade to a Seattle lineup that ranked just 21st in wRC+ (pitchers excluded) last season. Nevertheless, Corey Brock of the Athletic opines as part of a reader mailbag that the Mariners seem unlikely to pursue a full-time designated hitter like Cruz. Seattle has an abundance of outfield options, in particular, and 2020 Rookie of the Year Kyle Lewis will be coming off a season cut short by injuries to a right knee that has proven problematic for the bulk of his professional career. Signing a full-time DH would necessitate playing Lewis more or less every day in the outfield, where Mitch Haniger, Jarred Kelenic, Taylor Trammell and Jake Fraley could also compete for reps. Brock feels the front office and manager Scott Servais are likelier to use the DH spot as an opportunity to rotate regulars through quasi-rest days, a fairly common practice around the league at this point.
• The Mariners have hired former Padres analyst Dave Cameron in a consulting role, as Divish first reported (on Twitter). Cameron, a Washington state native, began his career as a Mariners’ blogger before being hired as a writer and editor at FanGraphs. He joined the San Diego front office over the 2017-18 offseason but departed the organization after four seasons last fall. He will now have the chance to apply his analytical skills for the team that first ignited his baseball fandom and set him on his journey.

 

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More from Seattle:

• Former Mariners designated hitter Nelson Cruz hit free agency at the end of the year. Some Seattle fans have pined for a reunion, no surprise given Cruz’s success in the Pacific Northwest. He hit .284/.362/.546 over four seasons with the Mariners. Cruz wasn’t quite that productive last year in his age-40 campaign, but he still combined for an above-average .265/.334/.497 showing in 584 plate appearances with the Twins and Rays. That kind of production would be a notable upgrade to a Seattle lineup that ranked just 21st in wRC+ (pitchers excluded) last season. Nevertheless, Corey Brock of the Athletic opines as part of a reader mailbag that the Mariners seem unlikely to pursue a full-time designated hitter like Cruz. Seattle has an abundance of outfield options, in particular, and 2020 Rookie of the Year Kyle Lewis will be coming off a season cut short by injuries to a right knee that has proven problematic for the bulk of his professional career. Signing a full-time DH would necessitate playing Lewis more or less every day in the outfield, where Mitch Haniger, Jarred Kelenic, Taylor Trammell and Jake Fraley could also compete for reps. Brock feels the front office and manager Scott Servais are likelier to use the DH spot as an opportunity to rotate regulars through quasi-rest days, a fairly common practice around the league at this point.
• The Mariners have hired former Padres analyst Dave Cameron in a consulting role, as Divish first reported (on Twitter). Cameron, a Washington state native, began his career as a Mariners’ blogger before being hired as a writer and editor at FanGraphs. He joined the San Diego front office over the 2017-18 offseason but departed the organization after four seasons last fall. He will now have the chance to apply his analytical skills for the team that first ignited his baseball fandom and set him on his journey.

 

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The Mariners have signed Patrick Weigel to a minor league contract, according to Chris Hilburn-Trenkle of Baseball America. The right-hander had elected minor league free agency at the end of the season after being outrighted off the Brewers’ 40-man roster in August.
Weigel, now 27, is probably best known for his early-career days in the Braves’ farm system. A 7th-round draftee in 2015, he emerged as one of the more interesting young arms in the organization within a couple seasons. Weigel drew plaudits for a mid-high 90s fastball and a pair of quality breaking balls. Baseball America slotted him among the top ten prospects in the farm system after he dominated at Low-A in 2016, but he suffered a UCL tear that required Tommy John surgery the following season. He missed almost all of the 2018 campaign rehabbing.
While Weigel returned to post decent numbers in the high minors in 2019, he’s had a rough go of things the past couple years. He made his first MLB outing during the shortened 2020 campaign but spent the bulk of the year at the alternate training site. Atlanta traded Weigel to Milwaukee last April as part of a two-player package to bring in utilityman Orlando Arcia.
Weigel’s lone year with the Brew Crew didn’t go well. He averaged a solid 94.6 MPH on his fastball during his three big league appearances, but he only spent a bit more than a week on the active roster. The California native spent the rest of the year with Triple-A Nashville, where he worked almost exclusively as a reliever. Over 43 1/3 innings with the Sounds, he managed just a 7.27 ERA while struggling immensely with his control. Weigel walked an untenable 17.6% of batters faced at the minors’ top level last season, exacerbating strike-throwing problems he’s faced throughout his career.
It’s unlikely Weigel will ever have great command, but he’ll certainly need to throw more strikes than he did in 2021 if he’s to earn a spot on Seattle’s big league roster. It seems likely the M’s will give him a look in Spring Training to see if he can better harness the raw stuff that made him a solid prospect. Weigel was predominantly a starter up through 2019, but scouting reports had long suggested he might eventually have to move to the bullpen because of his questionable command. Given that he worked in relief last year, it seems likely the Mariners are eyeing him as a depth option for the ’pen.


Power Bat
By James Hicks | February 19, 2022 at 11:59am CDT
In a profile of Mariners president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale outlined the team’s remaining offseason plans, noting specifically that Seattle hopes to add a right-handed power bat (ideally at third to replace the recently retired Kyle Seager) and a left-handed bat in the outfield. In addition to landing 2021 NL All-Star Adam Frazier in a November trade with the Padres, Dipoto already made one of the bigger offseason splashes of the pre-lockout free agent frenzy, inking reigning AL Cy Young winner Robbie Ray to a five-year, $115MM deal to anchor manager Scott Servais’ rotation.
Given what’s already a relatively crowded outfield picture in Seattle (Mitch Haniger, Jarred Kelenic, 2020 AL Rookie of the Year Kyle Lewis, and uber-prospect Julio Rodriguez all figure to see significant time there, as could Frazier and former top-100 prospect Taylor Trammell), the outfielder Nightengale suggests Dipoto is targeting is likely to be of the versatile bench-bat sort. Any of Odubel Herrera, Travis Jankowski, Billy Hamilton, Gerardo Parra, Matt Joyce, or Billy McKinney could come without a significant commitment, and Dipoto might check in on Joc Pederson or Eddie Rosario if either is willing to take on a part-time role.
The right-handed power bat is unlikely to come cheaply, however. The obvious option on the current market is Kris Bryant, and it’s no surprise that nary a report on Bryant passes without a prominent reference to the Mariners. Given how much money Dipoto is known to have left to spend — the Mariners, who have one of the youngest rosters in the bigs, have just under $87MM in salary committed to the 2022 roster (per Roster Resource) — Bryant remains a very live possibility, as might Seiya Suzuki (though he’d contribute to the outfield glut). Trevor Story and (perhaps) Carlos Correa could also be on the table.
The presence of incumbent shortstop J.P. Crawford may be a roadblock to a major move at the position, since Dipoto has repeatedly stated that Crawford isn’t changing positions. The Fielding Bible ranked Crawford as the sixth-best defensive shortstop in baseball in 2021, though both Story and Correa ranked higher on that list. With Story reportedly uninterested in a position change and Correa on the hunt for a mega-deal, neither seems likely at this point barring a trade of Crawford for another piece.
With no other clear upgrade over utility

 

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my early favs...for mariners draft...

24	Dylan Beavers	OF	California	-	-	20	6' 4" / 206 lbs	L	R
25	Carter Young	SS	Vanderbilt	-	-	21	6' 0" / 185 lbs	S	R

4JOSH KASEVICH..ss/infield​

u of oregon......#..77..on mlbs list

• POSITION Infielder
• HEIGHT 6-2
• CLASS Sophomore
• HOMETOWN Palo Alto, Calif.
• HIGH SCHOOL Palo Alto HS

77 Josh Kasevich

SS

Oregon

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-

21

6' 2" / 200 lbs

R

R

45

Trey Faltine

SS

Texas

Big 12

small list...but its early..............

 

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still on the list...

74

Zach Neto

SS

Campbell

-

-

21

6' 0" / 185 lbs

R

R

82

Drew Gilbert

OF

Tennessee

-

-

21

5' 9" / 185 lbs

L

L

 

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2years after the 2020 draft...5 rounds only.....there should be a good amount..of com collage guys....i tink anyway...so we need to keep an eye..
on those....


people who know.....about basketball.....should stick...to that....and let the people..who know...about...baseball....help them get a clue..
but they do not......they try to make basketball.....baseball....

try to re-invent...the...baseball........i does not work..that way......

basket ball.....has a team...of15 guys..at most...one team........about a 3 round draft...baseball..has a 20 round draft...down from....40

basketball...people are pre-madonas,..so much.....they cant stick to there own sport....and have to shuve..there ideas(unwanted)
into a diferant..sport......that it does not fit

NO>>>IT DOES NOT FIT>>>>THE MLB

ONE SIZE>>>>>DOES NOT FIT ALL