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Discussion in 'Pittsburgh Pirates' started by ramburgh, Aug 29, 2018.

  1. thedddd

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    Will Craig could be a good chip to trade. Really will be blocked going forward as long as Bell is a Pirate.
     



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    Yep and hes basically Osuna too, and we wont have to add him to the 40 man this offseason, we have been flipping so many players this year its hard to get a handle on all the issues, we have to add Hayes, Cruz and Craig with 2 maybes in Stephen Alemais and Lolo Sanchez. From what i can see at :

    Pittsburgh Pirates 2019 I think I have posted this before, but its a great free website, especially when we make moves seemingly every day.

    Now that I look again we prolly have 10 guys on the 40 man we can release and never miss.

    Lets get a setup guy, and a typical buy low starter than usually works out for us(rotation insurance, if Tallion out for year maybe 2)

    I dont want to see em trade our top tier guys, but what the hell might as well trade some maybe types and just do it.
     
  3. ramburgh

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    I know this sounds crazy, but going after Max Scherzer would really push the team and the rotation. He has two very expensive sesons left but there was some who thought Machado was potentially doable due to the low payroll the team has this year. He is under control in 2020 and 2021 which fits well with the current team. Maybe the Nats would eat some of the salary if the Pirates provided some quality prospects. The offense is solid and this would significantly boost the rotation and give them the perfect wild card game option (if it comes to that). The rotation would then be Scherzer, Musgrove, Williams, Archer and then Taillon/Arguzal/Brault (depending upon health). The bullpen seems to be coming together and the offense doesn't need any additions unless there is a significant injury. The primary focus has to be to find a solid SP and maybe a bullpen arm.

    I might even consider trading Mitch Keller and a few others for Scherzer.
     
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    Nothing crazy about it. If they were willing to give up what they did for Archer why shouldn't they be willing for a much better Pitcher.

    The challenge will be, if they have enough additional pieces to fix the bullpen.
     
  5. ramburgh

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    Here is what the payroll will look like next year:

    P 2019 2020
    Francisco Cervelli C $ 11,500,000
    Starling Marte OF $ 10,000,000 $ 11,500,000
    Corey Dickerson OF $ 8,500,000
    Chris Archer SP $ 7,666,668 $ 8,250,000
    Gregory Polanco OF $ 6,100,000 $ 8,600,000
    Felipe Rivero RP $ 4,000,000 $ 5,250,000
    Jordan Lyles SP $ 2,050,000
    Keone Kela RP $ 3,175,000 3 arby
    Jung-Ho Kang SS $ 3,000,000
    Lonnie Chisenhall OF $ 2,750,000
    Francisco Liriano RP $ 1,800,000
    Melky Cabrera OF $ 1,150,000
    Michael Feliz RP $ 850,000 2 arby
    Richard Rodriguez RP $ 650,000
    Jameson Taillon SP $ 587,500 1 arby
    Josh Bell 1B $ 587,000 1 arby
    Adam Frazier UTIL $ 584,000 1 arby
    Trevor Williams SP $ 584,000 1 arby
    Joe Musgrove SP $ 582,500 1 arby
    Kyle Crick RP $ 581,500 TC
    Edgar Santana RP $ 581,500 TC
    Colin Moran 3B $ 579,500 TC
    Elias Diaz C $ 578,500 1 arby
    Chad Kuhl SP $ 578,000 1 arby
    Erik Gonzalez UTIL $ 577,000 1 arby
    Steven Brault $ 574,500 1 arby
    Jose Osuna 1B/OF $ 573,500 1 arby
    Jacob Stallings C $ 564,000 TC
    Nick Burdi RP $ 559,000 TC
    Kevin Newman 2B/SS $ 557,500 TC
    Bryan Reynolds OF $ 555,000 TC
    Dario Argazal SP $ 555,000 TC
    Jason Martin OF $ 555,000 TC
    Clay Holmes RP $ 555,000 TC
    Rookie Davis SP $ 555,000 TC
    Luis Escobar RP $ 555,000 TC

    Cervelli ($11.5M), Dickerson ($8.5M), Lyles ($2.05M), Kang ($3M), Chisenhall ($2.75M), Liriano ($1.8M) and Cabrera ($1.15M) are off the books. That's $30,750,00 off the books! Granted, everyone else will be getting raises, but the money will definitely be there to bring in a significant upgrade at SP.

    Next year's team would look like this year's team just without some of the dead weight and depth in the OF:
    Starters: Newman, Reynolds, Marte, Bell, Moran, Polanco, Frazier, Diaz
    Bench: Stallings, Osuna, Martin, Gonzalez, Kramer
    SP: Scherzer, Taillon, Musgrove, Williams, Archer (also Kuhl, Argazal, Brault)
    RP: Vazquez, Kela, Crick, Rodriguez, Feliz, Santana, Burdi, (also Holmes, Davis, Escobar, etc)

    I would make Hayes, Swaggerty, Mason Martin and O'neil the only untouchables. Build a trade around Keller to acquire Schwerzer.
     
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    I admit I didnt know who Mason Martin was before I just googled him.

    19 doubles, 23 homeruns and 46 walks in 360 PA is some serious production this year.
     
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    Pirates seem to be developing hitters well but struggle with young pitchers. Searage tends to be good with veterans though. Maybe an assistant pitching coach (like they now do with hitting) with the assistant specializing in young pitchers and Searage working with the veterans. I am for trading Keller because I don't think the Pirates can get him to where he should be in the majors.

    Keller, Craig and Mitchell would be a package I would use to try to acquire Schwerzer. If it doesn't work out then trade Schwerzer at one of the following deadlines to acquire some promising prospects back.

    Zach Wheeler and Madison Bumgartner are also reportedly available but they are both just rentals for the remainder of the season. Neither of the have been lights out this year. Any other under the radar SP options that might be available?
     
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    Marcus Stroman is reportedly available also and he might have another year of arbitration eligibility in 2020. He is having a very solid year with 3.18 ERA.

    Solid starting pithers that are reportedly available: Bumgartner, Schwerzer, Stroman, Wheeler.
     
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    ^ Have a feeling there will be a major overpay for all four pitchers and sadly I don't think the Pirates will get into the bidding war.

    With that hopefully Archer improves with the following changes:
    Chris Archer Revamping Repertoire
     
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    Watched Archer pitch today vs cubs, thought he looked good. I hope he makes more progress, think he fanned 10 today
     
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