2019 Patriots' News

[Yankee Traveler]

Dude you are absolutely living in denial. You want to assume there was no film just because the league destroyed them but don't want to accept the fact it's just as possible the films did exist. You may have never been to Croatia but we know it's there right?

As for the text again you living in absolute denial, if Tom was smart he would have sent those texts trying to cover up the conversations behind closed doors. All that really proves is Tom sent a text but if you want to go to court with that good luck.

Okay I'll take your word the Colts had needles I am fine with that. I will also concede perhaps the ONE ball the had access to could have been deflated by them, just not sure how they got there hands on all the other balls. Science can't explain that one.

As I said IMO the Pats cheated, don't care because as I said IMO all teams cheat we just suck at it.

Not living in any kind of denial, as I said, no proof.
Yes, there was film. Was it of the Rams? No one knows. Was it of all games from the improper location as Bill has admitted? Why should I doubt that. He said he did that and misunderstood the rule. Why should I doubt that?
Do I think Bill could lie? Sure. Do I think Roger Goodell could lie? Oh hell yes.Which one should I believe? Not the lawyer.

Why should I believe Tom would lie when I have proof from my own studies that the ideal gas law works, and the numbers provided by the NFL confirm that more than likely the balls were at or above the league minimum?

All the other balls? there were only two that were below the league minimum and when physics are applied they would have been at or above the league minimum in the officials office and even in the bathroom where they were supposedly deflated. Allegedly. Hypothetically. In the imagination of people who want to believe.

Do I think Bill and company would cheat.
O yes. Do I think they still cheat. No. I think Bill learned his lesson with putting cameras in the wrong places and would not do anything that would jeopardize winning again. He would only get close. Winning means too much to Bill.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Not living in any kind of denial, as I said, no proof.
Yes, there was film. Was it of the Rams? No one knows. Was it of all games from the improper location as Bill has admitted? Why should I doubt that. He said he did that and misunderstood the rule. Why should I doubt that?
Do I think Bill could lie? Sure. Do I think Roger Goodell could lie? Oh hell yes.Which one should I believe? Not the lawyer.

Why should I believe Tom would lie when I have proof from my own studies that the ideal gas law works, and the numbers provided by the NFL confirm that more than likely the balls were at or above the league minimum?

All the other balls? there were only two that were below the league minimum and when physics are applied they would have been at or above the league minimum in the officials office and even in the bathroom where they were supposedly deflated. Allegedly. Hypothetically. In the imagination of people who want to believe.

Do I think Bill and company would cheat.
O yes. Do I think they still cheat. No. I think Bill learned his lesson with putting cameras in the wrong places and would not do anything that would jeopardize winning again. He would only get close. Winning means too much to Bill.

Ahh everyone loves the old "Ideal Gas Law" defense. Yet since that time all the cold weather games played with balls gauged at halftime we have not a reported incident, pure coincidence hmmm?

And as to the films you know full well it was more then just filming from an illegal location that incident occurred post Rams Pats SB Victory. The league watched the films and damn sure felt there was enough for a hefty penalty levied the Pats I guess you want to assume that was all just for shits and giggles. As I said you're living in denial on this matter you don't have to admit it I don't really care but sure seems like the league had a lot to go on other than filming from the an improper location.

 

[nefansince75]

Ahh everyone loves the old "Ideal Gas Law" defense. Yet since that time all the cold weather games played with balls gauged at halftime we have not a reported incident, pure coincidence hmmm?

And as to the films you know full well it was more then just filming from an illegal location that incident occurred post Rams Pats SB Victory. The league watched the films and damn sure felt there was enough for a hefty penalty levied the Pats I guess you want to assume that was all just for shits and giggles. As I said you're living in denial on this matter you don't have to admit it I don't really care but sure seems like the league had a lot to go on other than filming from the an improper location.

You are connecting dots that don't exist. Everyone of your assertions connects ficticious dots. If I get stopped for speeding are you going to suspect me of murder somewhere in my past?

The Jets filming incident was more about a tit for tat spat between the Jets and the Pats. It started the year before when a Jet camara crew was kicked off the the mezzanene level at Gillete when they weren't supposed to be filming in that location. Yes, the Patriots were fiming the sideline, but that is not against the rules. The Pats were fined heavily because they directly disobeyed a league memorandum clarifying cameras were only allowed in specific places.

There a reach between that and filming a walk through. Just because others condoned filming doesn't mean the event likely happened, and your assumption of the smoke from it being rumored to have happened means the fire created that smoke is completely flawed.

And the deflate gate thing was a whole lot of nothing, even if they did do it... again it's a speeding violation that has been turned into a major offense. It's an equipment violation that offers little actual advantage. Why do speeders speed? Are you offended if you find out a close friend is a speeder?

 

[sharkymcwrath]

Michael Bennet to the Pats?

Patriots working on trade for Eagles' Michael Bennett

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

Wonder if the years have tempered his opinion of Schiano.

Precursor to the return of his brother?

 

[BigKen]

Precursor to the return of his brother?

Martellus has said he will call BB to see if the patriotswould be interested in having him back. Depends on what he wants for money.

It's a brother act I could be happy with.

Nothing in stone but it appears that Jason McCourty wants to come back for another year with his brother.

 

[Southieinnc]

Dude you are absolutely living in denial. You want to assume there was no film just because the league destroyed them but don't want to accept the fact it's just as possible the films did exist. You may have never been to Croatia but we know it's there right?

As for the text again you living in absolute denial, if Tom was smart he would have sent those texts trying to cover up the conversations behind closed doors. All that really proves is Tom sent a text but if you want to go to court with that good luck.

Okay I'll take your word the Colts had needles I am fine with that. I will also concede perhaps the ONE ball the had access to could have been deflated by them, just not sure how they got there hands on all the other balls. Science can't explain that one.

As I said IMO the Pats cheated, don't care because as I said IMO all teams cheat we just suck at it.

You are very adamant about your beliefs. I am too. I'm not going to join into this debate. I just want you to know, I agree with Yankee traveller on this one. You are convinced - we get it.....

 

[Southieinnc]

I agree that Brady very very very likely told the ball dude to make sure the PSI was as low as can go. I don't believe in his heart he felt he was "cheating". I do think the ball dude went into the bathroom and stuck a needle in what he figured were over inflated footballs and let out as much air in as many footballs as possible in the very short time he was in the bathroom. I honestly think it's nothing and don't give a flying fuck.

When the rule was created, it was created to prevent kickers from cheating. NFL decided to set a rule on the game balls also. The NFL asked the 2 best QB's at the time, Brady and Manning, what pressure do you like you balls set at?

Brady answered 12.5, Manning answered 13.5. The NFL then set the rule as 12.5 to 13.5.

Ask yourself, If Brady wanted the balls lower than 12.5, why would he ask for 12.5?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I don't remember the Colts gauging the ball. And the refs did gauge the balls and they were below authorized levels that is not debatable we know it happened. IMO Pats fans need to stop making excuses for the things this organization has done why so many choose to live in denial boggles my mind. We cheated, we got caught, I don't really care all teams cheat most are just better at then we are. The Chin himself said when he coached they to filmed teams, it was not an uncommon practice. And while I feel TB12 did not give a specified PSI I also don't feel he said " I want the balls at league minimum. I feel his comments were more along the lines of " Hey on a day like today the less air in the ball the better" I believe full well he knew. But again don't care the team was punished for both instances and TB12 was punished individually and we still fucking won it all. I'm not going to sit here and defend them nor am I going to deny it happened.

No but you should get all the facts before making decisions.

Patriots Reveal Jaguars Caught Colts Ball Boys With Ball Needles On Sideline

Regardless if they cheated or not this was still a sting gone bad. Goodell is such a sleaze ball he nominated Vincent to hand down the punishment so he could handle the appeal.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

We all get the gas law dude, really we do, we understand it.

But are willing to shrug it off?
For a response like I'm not sure how the Colts got to the 11 other balls?
First only ONE got ESPN and the rest of the country in a tail spin. The one 2# light. Others were slightly over, some within limits and one other one about 1# under IIRC?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Michael Bennet to the Pats?

Patriots working on trade for Eagles' Michael Bennett

Oh God please no.
I and BB will freak out when he commits a dumb penalty to cost NE a game.

BB must want to be credited with simultaneously coaching twins and brothers (assuming Martellus) comes back.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

When the rule was created, it was created to prevent kickers from cheating. NFL decided to set a rule on the game balls also. The NFL asked the 2 best QB's at the time, Brady and Manning, what pressure do you like you balls set at?

Brady answered 12.5, Manning answered 13.5. The NFL then set the rule as 12.5 to 13.5.

Ask yourself, If Brady wanted the balls lower than 12.5, why would he ask for 12.5?

Wow I had never thought of that.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Michael Bennet to the Pats?

Patriots working on trade for Eagles' Michael Bennett

He said he wont take a pay cut

 

[YankeeRebel]

You are very adamant about your beliefs. I am too. I'm not going to join into this debate. I just want you to know, I agree with Yankee traveller on this one. You are convinced - we get it.....

I am convinced because it happened. The punishments were not just because the league could . Hell Brady went to court and still lost. I guess in the end people want to fell this is some wholesome organization when there is a whole of to prove otherwise. As I said the Pat cheated, they got caught they got punished and they still win. If people choose to feel otherwise it's just blind ignorance.

 

[BigKen]

Tom Brady was never charged with deflating a football. He was suspended for 'not cooperating' with the NFL investigation of the supposed deflated footballs. Problem was that Ted Wells testified under oath thaBrady was cooperative and offered him his personal cell phone as long as Brady could make sure that the investigator did not look at personal texts and emails between Brady and family members or business associates. Wells declined because he had thw phones of the equipment people of the Patriots. Hence Brady was suspended to prevent the NFL from being embarassed because they could find no evidence of the ball being tampered with or being manually deflated after leaving the officials locker room.

Whether or not the balls were tampered with by the equipment guy in thye mens room, we will never ever know unless he comes forward and says that he perjured himself and lied under oath.

As far as filming the Rams before the 2001 Super Bowl. That has never been proven. The Rams were the "Greatest Show on Turf" and were not undefeated that season, but had pretty well deballed most teams. The Patriots were such heavy underdogs that the Rams couldn't believe that they were beaten. Here's the problem for the haters.........filming teams prior to Goodell's decree in 2007 was perfectly legal from anywhere. Filming a practice was commonplace and teams did it all of the time. It wasn't until after the Patriots were fined in Spygate that accusations of filming the Rams pre Super Bowl practice were made.

I still have the "Three Games to Glory" from 2001 and the Patriots beat the living shit out of the rams WRs the entire game. But it was also legal to do that in 2001. People tend to forget that the rams totally shit the bed after 2001 and were not heard from again until 2018-19. Maybe they weren't as good as they thought they were.

 

[Southieinnc]

I am convinced because it happened. The punishments were not just because the league could . Hell Brady went to court and still lost. I guess in the end people want to fell this is some wholesome organization when there is a whole of to prove otherwise. As I said the Pat cheated, they got caught they got punished and they still win. If people choose to feel otherwise it's just blind ignorance.

I guess in your world disagreement is blind ignorance. I'm not calling you ignorant in my world because we disagree.
Suit yourself.....

 

[nefansince75]

I am convinced because it happened. The punishments were not just because the league could . Hell Brady went to court and still lost. I guess in the end people want to fell this is some wholesome organization when there is a whole of to prove otherwise. As I said the Pat cheated, they got caught they got punished and they still win. If people choose to feel otherwise it's just blind ignorance.

There's room between wholesome and caught cheaters.

 

[BigKen]

Hell Brady went to court and still lost.

The original court sided with Brady, the Appealite court found in favor of the league becaiuse the CBA gave Goodell the authority to hand out punishment for any reason he saw fit. Because of the testimony of Ted Wells, Goodell was allowed to suspend Brady for doing absolutely nothing.

I can guarantee with certainty that Goodell will not have anything close to this when the new CBA is negotiated. The NFLPA will not give up anything after six years of bullshit by the NFL Heirarchy.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Im still amazed at this fanbase. A few of our championships are tainted, we did cheat, we did get punished for it and it's not " Just Because " people can believe what they want but if anyone can say this team did not cheat and be sure of that I say you're a liar.

Again to reiterate what I said before, we cheated all teams cheat we just suck at it. This will be my last comment because as usual like politics and religion this have no true ending only what one choose to believe

 

[Yankee Traveler]

I am convinced because it happened. The punishments were not just because the league could . Hell Brady went to court and still lost. I guess in the end people want to fell this is some wholesome organization when there is a whole of to prove otherwise. As I said the Pat cheated, they got caught they got punished and they still win. If people choose to feel otherwise it's just blind ignorance.

The United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit decided that the punishments were in fact, because the league could.
On September 3, Judge Berman threw out Brady's suspension on the grounds of a lack of fair due process for Brady. The NFL announced it would appeal the decision.

On October 26, 2015, the NFL filed a 61-page brief in court to appeal Judge Berman's decision. Goodell on the following Tuesday stated that the appeal has nothing to do with Tom Brady but instead has to do with the commissioner's current power negotiated into the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement

On April 25, 2016, the Second Circuit reinstated Brady's four-game suspension for the 2016 regular season, Circuit Judge Barrington Daniels Parker Jr, joined by Circuit Judge Chin, wrote that they could not "second-guess" the arbitration but were merely determining it "met the minimum legal standards established by the Labor Management Relations Act of 1947".

So, punishment for Brady was because the league could do whatever it wanted, not because Brady was guilty.
If you remember, without blind ignorance.