2019 Offseason Thread

[bksballer89]

It could....it could also warn his team better get something than lose him in FA.

Not really especially in places like New Orleans and OKC where it is hard to attract free agents.

 

[shopson67]

Basically this

I disagree. With two bad contracts, give me the VASTLY better player, as well as the player that will play hard every night and drive his teammates to do so as well.

 

[shopson67]

I would hope they were.......like LA did once they were out of it.

Which injuries was LA exaggerating? Ball's, who is still not ready to practice? Ingram's, who required surgery for his clot? James came back too soon, and with the other injuries, they sat him the balance of the year, not really claiming injury just not taking the risk.

 

[shopson67]

I sort of agree. AD never had to request a trade IMO. All he had to do was not accept the new contract the pelicans would offer then the writing would be on the wall. The AD situation was bad because not only he demanded a trade but he demanded a trade to one particular team which tied up the hands of the Pelicans

He gave them more than one option for teams he would re-sign with. Lakers, Bucks, Knicks, were there more?

 

[shopson67]

There is speculation that the Lakers were a legitimate possibility until Magic’s big mouth ruined it.

Kawhi and his people made it clear that they wanted everything they spoke about in meetings kept utterly silent.

There was a lot of talk about the Lakers. Magic made a couple vague public comments about a conversation with Uncle Dennis. There were many reports that the Lakers were confident about landing Kawhi.

There was a lot of reporting around Toronto, but most of that was around Kawhi’s movements and the crazy canadiens stalking him. That surely did not help.

You know which team was most private?

The Clippers.

I'm not buying that speculation. The simple fact that Kawhi wanted a star to bring with him to the Clips or to return to Toronto when he had a far better star in AD already on the Lakers, yet those two teams were still in consideration speaks volumes. The Lakers were strung along as a fall back safety team at best.

If Kawhi didn't know Magic's tendencies, requested a meeting with the FORMER Laker front office person, then held that proclivity to talk against the CURRENT Laker front office, then he was just looking for an excuse. Why did he want the meetings kept utterly silent? So that he could string along two teams while trying to get his running mate to the Clips.

 

[bksballer89]

He gave them more than one option for teams he would re-sign with. Lakers, Bucks, Knicks, were there more?

And he also prevented them from trading to him to a team that could have provided a great package and probably had more players that they wanted

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

It could....it could also warn his team better get something than lose him in FA.

Teams are quite aware of when their players will become FA.
Reaching to say they need to warned.

 

[shopson67]

And he also prevented them from trading to him to a team that could have provided a great package and probably had more players that they wanted

They could've traded him anywhere (a la Paul George and Kawhi Leonard). Both of those players wanted LA specifically and were traded elsewhere with a year left on their contracts.

If Kerr wanted to wet the bed over a trade demand, it should've been PG's urgent second one in 3 years.

 

[shopson67]

Teams are quite aware of when their players will become FA.
Reaching to say they need to warned.

Pels were STILL trying to convince AD to stay before finally trading him this summer, regardless of what he continued to tell them.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

They could've traded him anywhere (a la Paul George and Kawhi Leonard). Both of those players wanted LA specifically and were traded elsewhere with a year left on their contracts.

If Kerr wanted to wet the bed over a trade demand, it should've been PG's urgent second one in 3 years.

Not really.
It was apparent he wanted Lakers from the moment he signed with Klutch.

 

[tlance]

I sort of agree. AD never had to request a trade IMO. All he had to do was not accept the new contract the pelicans would offer then the writing would be on the wall. The AD situation was bad because not only he demanded a trade but he demanded a trade to one particular team which tied up the hands of the Pelicans

Yeah.

It was more the timing and the way he did it that pissed everybody off.

If he waits until this summer, it is a non issue

 

[bksballer89]

They could've traded him anywhere (a la Paul George and Kawhi Leonard). Both of those players wanted LA specifically and were traded elsewhere with a year left on their contracts.

If Kerr wanted to wet the bed over a trade demand, it should've been PG's urgent second one in 3 years.

Why would Boston trade for him if reports came out 2 different times that he will not resign with them?

 

[shopson67]

Why would Boston trade for him if reports came out 2 different times that he will not resign with them?

To win a championship, just like Toronto? To try to sway his intentions, just like OKC?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Pels were STILL trying to convince AD to stay before finally trading him this summer, regardless of what he continued to tell them.

Point is?
They knew the situation.
Of course try to see if his mind could be changed.

 

[shopson67]

Not really.
It was apparent he wanted Lakers from the moment he signed with Klutch.

Really. Knicks fans are still holding out hope they can convince him next summer.

 

[shopson67]

Point is?
They knew the situation.
Of course try to see if his mind could be changed.

Point is, if the team refuses to believe he would leave, they need a push.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Really. Knicks fans are still holding out hope they can convince him next summer.

Which means what in the real world?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Point is, if the team refuses to believe he would leave, they need a push.

They obviously believed he would, he requested it.
Still, after getting Griffin, Zion, and a plan, it didn’t hurt to present it to him.

 

[bksballer89]

To win a championship, just like Toronto? To try to sway his intentions, just like OKC?

Toronto and OKC are not free agent destinations so they had more reason to take that risk. Boston is a big time free agent destination so why am I trading my young guys who I value for a 1 year rental when I can attract actual free agents who want to play here?

Comparing Boston to OKC and Toronto is just silly.

1 is a big time free agent market. The other 2 are not

It made no sense for Boston.

 

[tlance]

I'm not buying that speculation. The simple fact that Kawhi wanted a star to bring with him to the Clips or to return to Toronto when he had a far better star in AD already on the Lakers, yet those two teams were still in consideration speaks volumes. The Lakers were strung along as a fall back safety team at best.

If Kawhi didn't know Magic's tendencies, requested a meeting with the FORMER Laker front office person, then held that proclivity to talk against the CURRENT Laker front office, then he was just looking for an excuse. Why did he want the meetings kept utterly silent? So that he could string along two teams while trying to get his running mate to the Clips.

The speciation is that Kawhi preferred LA.

He crossed the Lakers off his list early because he did not trust the organization.

At that point, it was all about getting another star to LAC. If they succeeded, he was a Clipper. If they didn’t, he would have returned to Toronto. Again, because the Lakers people, and Magic specifically couldn’t keep their mouths shut.

And yes, I realize Magic no longer carries any official role in the organization.

And I buy that speciation 100%. I even commented on this exact scenario when Kawhi was in the initial stages and you kept hearing “Kawhi to the Lakers done deal” when all he asked for was privacy. You didn't Hear a peep from the other 2 teams those first couple days.

Maybe he picks the Clips in the end anyway. But the circus in the Laker front office was never going to be attractive to a player like Kawhi. He tested them and they failed.