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[trojanfan12]

* Leaves this right here and side eyes @DJ *



Agree about the body language.

Awful.

But, I still love his potential.

Shoulda known @DJ would be in here talkin' crazy. lol

 

[DJ Fieri]

* Leaves this right here and side eyes @DJ *



Agree about the body language.

Awful.

But, I still love his potential.

I said he regressed, never said he was garbage or he wouldn't be a good player.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Shoulda known @DJ would be in here talkin' crazy. lol

Except, I wasn't.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I like Ingram defensively once he eats 2k cheeseburgers....

I hate that analogy but think Ingram and Tatum are both gonna be good players for a while.

Quoting it for accuracy as to what was actually said.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I said he regressed, never said he was garbage or he wouldn't be a good player.

I know.

I'm just

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Except, I wasn't.

Uh, read the quote, snookums.

He said " nobody said Tatum regressed ".

You absolutely did.

More than once.

But, you didn't say he was garbage.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Uh, read the quote, snookums.

He said " nobody said Tatum regressed ".

You absolutely did.

More than once.

But, you didn't say he was garbage.

and i dont even think "regressed" is correct. I think he did not take that NEXT step that maybe people were expecting. He averaged more points, rebounds, assists, and took more responsibility. He just did not turn into a star last year, which, considering he played the majority of the year at age 20, is just not surprising.

roughly 16 pts, 6 boards, 2 assists, 45% from the field and 37% from 3 (while shooting over 300 3's) is certainly nothing to sneeze at, but after his breakout playoff performance, it could be seen as slightly disapointing.

"regressed" is not the word I would have used-- "garbage" is just toally unfounded and stupid". I would say- he did not take that huge leap that he looked capable of in last years playoffs

but considering Kyrie and Hayward came back and took over a solid amount of the offense, that really should not be surprising.

 

[Shanemansj13]

and i dont even think "regressed" is correct. I think he did not take that NEXT step that maybe people were expecting. He averaged more points, rebounds, assists, and took more responsibility. He just did not turn into a star last year, which, considering he played the majority of the year at age 20, is just not surprising.

roughly 16 pts, 6 boards, 2 assists, 45% from the field and 37% from 3 (while shooting over 300 3's) is certainly nothing to sneeze at, but after his breakout playoff performance, it could be seen as slightly disapointing.

"regressed" is not the word I would have used-- "garbage" is just toally unfounded and stupid". I would say- he did not take that huge leap that he looked capable of in last years playoffs

but considering Kyrie and Hayward came back and took over a solid amount of the offense, that really should not be surprising.

Yeah I clearly misspoke, I also said he regressed but what I really mean is he didn't take that 2nd year jump that we anticipated and what a lot of future stars take...so itself it isn't regression but disappointing. It is understandable though when you have a guy like Kyrie on the court, it can stunt the growth of the youngsters a bit.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Have heard rumors that the Cavs are going to be active and will be in the thick of 3 team-trade deals with the JR Smith contract which will be a major chip in facilitating some moves.

he literally has the very last contract in the NBA grandfathered into the old CBA that allows for a team to only count the guaranteed portion against their cap.

His contract, if fully guaranteed is about 16M next year. The guaranteed portion of the contract is only 3.5M. Now, you cannot structure contracts like that anymore.

But since his contract is grandfathered in, say a team like the Knicks or Mavs, or whoever wants to open up cap room, can trade the Cavs a player worth about 16M for JR Smith, and then cut Smith, and open up about 12M in cap space instantly.

Three Potential Landing Spots For J.R. Smith (And His Valuable Contract)

Trail Blazers
The Blazers are projected to be a taxpaying team, with roughly $126MM in guaranteed salary on the books. The luxury tax threshold is expected to come in at $132MM and the team will have trouble bringing back Enes Kanter and Rodney Hood—two key members of their playoff run—without skyrocketing over the tax line.

Acquiring Smith would allow Portland to reshuffle its financial portfolio. Evan Turner($18.6MM next season) is the team’s third-high paid player. Maurice Harkless($11.5MM), and Meyers Leonard ($11.3MM) are fifth and sixth, respectively. If the Blazers feel Kanter or Hood are higher priorities than any of the three, they can swap one of those deals for Smith’s and give themselves a chance to compete for their guys on the free agent market without the internal dilemma of luxury tax concerns.

Dallas Mavericks
The Mavericks are expected to be active this offseason, searching the free agent market for additions to the Kristaps Porzingis–Luka Doncic core. They’ve been connected to Tobias Harris, Khris Middleton, and Kemba Walker.

Dallas would probably love to get out from Tim Hardaway Jr.‘s contract (approximately $20MM next season), but the fact that his contract still has multiple years left on it, running through the 2020/21 campaign, makes him a hard sell.

Shedding Courtney Lee ($12.7MM) may be easier and would give Dallas more flexibility this offseason. Dallas could attempt to entice Cleveland with a prospect like Justin Jackson or offer up the No. 37 overall pick in this year’s draft in order to acquire Smith. It’s not clear if anything short of a first-round pick will be enough to pry Smith away from the Cavs.

Brooklyn Nets
Whispers that the Nets are contenders to sign two max free agents can’t get too loud until the team clears out enough cap space to accommodate two stars. As our Salary Cap Digestindicates, Brooklyn doesn’t even have the ability to sign one max free agent without renouncing D’Angelo Russell or making additional transactions.

Moving Allen Crabbe, who has one year and $18.5MM left on his deal, would aid their quest for a star summer. The team has three selections among the first 31 picks in the upcoming draft (No. 17, 27, 31) and attaching one of those picks to Crabbe in exchange for Smith would create a clear path to additional cap space.

They most likely get a 1st round pick along with a contract, the last thing Gilbert is worried about is money.

J.R. Smith for Crabbe and a 1st (17th or 27th) makes a lot of sense.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Pfft, won't have to talk to her for very long.

Well most women already think their husbands have lost it so....

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

and i dont even think "regressed" is correct. I think he did not take that NEXT step that maybe people were expecting. He averaged more points, rebounds, assists, and took more responsibility. He just did not turn into a star last year, which, considering he played the majority of the year at age 20, is just not surprising.

roughly 16 pts, 6 boards, 2 assists, 45% from the field and 37% from 3 (while shooting over 300 3's) is certainly nothing to sneeze at, but after his breakout playoff performance, it could be seen as slightly disapointing.

"regressed" is not the word I would have used-- "garbage" is just toally unfounded and stupid". I would say- he did not take that huge leap that he looked capable of in last years playoffs

but considering Kyrie and Hayward came back and took over a solid amount of the offense, that really should not be surprising.

Agree.

Both @Gman and I said as much.

His stats went up, slightly, in every category, sans shooting percentage.

His body language was ass at times.

But, plateauing because of additions and regression are not the same thing.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Yeah I clearly misspoke, I also said he regressed but what I really mean is he didn't take that 2nd year jump that we anticipated and what a lot of future stars take...so itself it isn't regression but disappointing. It is understandable though when you have a guy like Kyrie on the court, it can stunt the growth of the youngsters a bit.

Yeah, it happens.

I get your point though.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Quoting it for accuracy as to what was actually said.

Really?

Lol....it was on the same page.

You didn't even make me work for it.

Except, Tatum regressed....compared to his rookie season.

 

[shopson67]

and i dont even think "regressed" is correct. I think he did not take that NEXT step that maybe people were expecting. He averaged more points, rebounds, assists, and took more responsibility. He just did not turn into a star last year, which, considering he played the majority of the year at age 20, is just not surprising.

roughly 16 pts, 6 boards, 2 assists, 45% from the field and 37% from 3 (while shooting over 300 3's) is certainly nothing to sneeze at, but after his breakout playoff performance, it could be seen as slightly disapointing.

"regressed" is not the word I would have used-- "garbage" is just toally unfounded and stupid". I would say- he did not take that huge leap that he looked capable of in last years playoffs

but considering Kyrie and Hayward came back and took over a solid amount of the offense, that really should not be surprising.

His 3pt % dropped off pretty significantly, which is the major reason for his drop in production.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Really?

Lol....it was on the same page.

You didn't even make me work for it.

 

[WiggyRuss]

His 3pt % dropped off pretty significantly, which is the major reason for his drop in production.

yah he went from 43 % to about 37%

I dont think anyone expected him to be one of the best 3 point shooters in the league again like he was his first year (even if the volume was not that high).

37% is still pretty solidly above average.

I would be much more concerned about a guy like Ingram, who went from 39%, on a pretty small volume, to 33%.....especially when you factor in adding LeBron James to the mix and the spacing he creates. Ingram, for his career, is about a 33% 3 pt shooter and a 66% free throw shooter. Tatum, for his career, is a 40% 3 pt shooter and 84% free throw shooter.....

 

[CitySushi]

yah he went from 43 % to about 37%

I dont think anyone expected him to be one of the best 3 point shooters in the league again like he was his first year (even if the volume was not that high).

37% is still pretty solidly above average.

I would be much more concerned about a guy like Ingram, who went from 39%, on a pretty small volume, to 33%.....especially when you factor in adding LeBron James to the mix and the spacing he creates. Ingram, for his career, is about a 33% 3 pt shooter and a 66% free throw shooter. Tatum, for his career, is a 40% 3 pt shooter and 84% free throw shooter.....

He's also got to get his body right. He's had too many injuries already over his career and those sort of things compile over the course of the season and affect production.

I think most people over-react to percentages these days. I think if you can hit 35% of your three's that's more than respectable as long it's not the focal point of your game. I mean Jamal Crawford is a career 34.8% three point shooter. I think if you're mainly a spot up 3 point shooter, you need to be above 37% for sure. But for a guy who will operate in space more (or at least should), 35% is more than respectable enough, IMO.

 

[msgkings322]

He's also got to get his body right. He's had too many injuries already over his career and those sort of things compile over the course of the season and affect production.

I think most people over-react to percentages these days. I think if you can hit 35% of your three's that's more than respectable as long it's not the focal point of your game. I mean Jamal Crawford is a career 34.8% three point shooter. I think if you're mainly a spot up 3 point shooter, you need to be above 37% for sure. But for a guy who will operate in space more (or at least should), 35% is more than respectable enough, IMO.

Plus we're kind of splitting hairs here. The difference between 38 and 35% is 3 more made for every 100 taken, and for guys who shoot around 5-6 a game it will take a while to even notice

 

[Shanemansj13]

Plus we're kind of splitting hairs here. The difference between 38 and 35% is 3 more made for every 100 taken, and for guys who shoot around 5-6 a game it will take a while to even notice

True, you better believe 40% looks a lot better than 39% but in reality it's splitting hairs.

 

[shopson67]

yah he went from 43 % to about 37%

I dont think anyone expected him to be one of the best 3 point shooters in the league again like he was his first year (even if the volume was not that high).

37% is still pretty solidly above average.

I would be much more concerned about a guy like Ingram, who went from 39%, on a pretty small volume, to 33%.....especially when you factor in adding LeBron James to the mix and the spacing he creates. Ingram, for his career, is about a 33% 3 pt shooter and a 66% free throw shooter. Tatum, for his career, is a 40% 3 pt shooter and 84% free throw shooter.....

Not concerned at all, based on the hot streak he had going after the all star break. He should emerge in a major way this season, whether that's with the Lakers, Pelicans, Wizards, or.....?