2019/2020 OFF SEASON THREAD

[NWinAZ]

Mariners are under $90mil in payroll currently so I dont see why they wouldnt be able to make this move. It is a commitment though looking at the contract. I dont think I've ever seen a contract this backloaded. Not saying I'm against but it would take some decent prospects which I know the Padres have. But I know Dipoto hates holding the cards in deals.
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I agree it is a lot, but it is basically a 3 year, $68.5M deal with 2023 being a team option with a $1M buyout. With 2020 a non season for us, as well as 2021 since we haven't even started acquiring talent yet, that leaves only 2020 as a payroll problem but not a problem if we aren't spending much in the next two years anyways. Grab a top 5 prospect from them and a top 20 or two and it would be worth it.

 

[NWinAZ]

Mariners cancel FanFest in midst of rebuild

 

[NWinAZ]

Here’s more from Arizona…

• In terms of what the D’Backs might give up for Haniger, Mazara, or any other veteran upgrades, GM Mike Hazen indicated that his team is “willing to” part with some “good minor league players.” Piecoro suggests that the team wouldn’t be likely to trade its very top prospects, but would be open to dealing youngsters “from the next tier down” in the rankings. It is perhaps noteworthy that the three names Piecoro cites as “the players [the Diamondbacks] view as their best prospects” are Daulton Varsho, Geraldo Perdomo, and Corbin Carroll, whereas two other prospects (Alek Thomas and Kristian Robinson) occupy the top two spots on MLB Pipeline’s ranking of Arizona’s top 30 minor leaguers, though Piecoro said “perhaps others” are also in the team’s internal top tier.

 

[NWinAZ]

Here’s more from Arizona…

• In terms of what the D’Backs might give up for Haniger, Mazara, or any other veteran upgrades, GM Mike Hazen indicated that his team is “willing to” part with some “good minor league players.” Piecoro suggests that the team wouldn’t be likely to trade its very top prospects, but would be open to dealing youngsters “from the next tier down” in the rankings. It is perhaps noteworthy that the three names Piecoro cites as “the players [the Diamondbacks] view as their best prospects” are Daulton Varsho, Geraldo Perdomo, and Corbin Carroll, whereas two other prospects (Alek Thomas and Kristian Robinson) occupy the top two spots on MLB Pipeline’s ranking of Arizona’s top 30 minor leaguers, though Piecoro said “perhaps others” are also in the team’s internal top tier.

The Seattle Mariners have had a quiet 2019 winter meetings thus far, but that doesn’t mean the team hasn’t been working behind the scenes. And if the latest rumors are to be believed, they could be working on something big.
The report came late yesterday evening that the Arizona Diamondbacks have expressed interest in a few outfielders as they look to improve on their 85 win campaign of a year ago. Most notably for our purposes, Arizona is interested in Mariners RF Mitch Haniger.

Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic reported that Arizona was looking to upgrade their corner outfield spot and added this:


Two outfielders who would fit that description are the Mariners’ Mitch Haniger and the Rangers’ Nomar Mazara. Both have been mentioned on the trade market at various points over the past year, and the Diamondbacks are said to have interest in both.

Now, having an interest in a player and actually pursuing said player are often two different things. But Jon Heyman added this on Tuesday:

Dbacks reportedly in on Haniger, Mazara. Have also heard Marte. Seeking to upgrade outfield. @nickpiecoro on Haniger, Mazara interest,

So we have reasonable cause to believe that the Diamondbacks interest in Haniger may be more than a passing fancy and it is possible that discussions have already begun. The Diamondbacks have a deep farm system and solid MLB pieces to facilitate a deal, making them a good fit for both Haniger and the Mariners.

The cost will, as always, dictate the seriousness of these talks, but thanks to Piecoro, we have a rough idea of who might be off-limits for the Mariners in these talks:

Sources indicate the Diamondbacks are more reluctant to move the players they view as their best prospects – namely catcher Daulton Varsho, shortstop Geraldo Perdomo, outfielder Corbin Carroll and perhaps others – unless, of course, they were getting back an elite player in return.

I think we can assume Arizona doesn’t view Haniger as an “elite player” but even removing the 3 names listed as well as guys like Alek Thomas and Kristian Robison, Arizona can still put up a formidable package.


Pitching prospects like Brennan Malone, J.B. Bukauskas, and Corbin Martin are all interesting names to watch. If Seattle believes in the bat of Seth Beer enough to overlook the obvious limitations of his game (DH only), he and Wildred Patino come to mind.

The tipping point in Arizona’s favor may come from 2 angles. First, their deep farm system is littered with high-quality arms, allowing them to potentially move an MLB starter to the Mariners. Robbie Ray, who is entering his final year of club control, is set to make around $10 million in 2020 and is a player Arizona has shopped in the past.

The Mariners are looking for a starter and Ray is a good one who misses bats, but despite 2020 being his age-28 season, the 1-year of club control makes him more of a trade chip to Seattle, or possibly to facilitate a 3-team deal.

Arizona also has arms like Merrill Kelly, who produced league average numbers in 2019 and is on a team-friendly deal that runs through 2020 with 2 team options attached. Luke Weaver could also be an interesting name to watch. Weaver got off to an excellent start in 2019 but missed most of the season with a strained UCL in his pitching arm.

 

[SeattleCoug]

Mariners cancel FanFest in midst of rebuild

I guess why try and do something some fans might actually enjoy. Not that I am one to go so its not a huge deal for me thats a pretty crap reason to cancel it.

 

[NWinAZ]

I guess why try and do something some fans might actually enjoy. Not that I am one to go so its not a huge deal for me thats a pretty crap reason to cancel it.

Not sure if you read the article, but they are busy using the field to make money in a non baseball way. You got to love that and it just shows what baseball really means to ownership.

 

[SeattleCoug]

Not sure if you read the article, but they are busy using the field to make money in a non baseball way. You got to love that and it just shows what baseball really means to ownership.

I didnt read the whole thing other then it was issues with the field not being ready. I guess I figure if it was a priority to them, they woulda found a way

 

[wazzu31]

Mariners cancel FanFest in midst of rebuild

Nothing says we care about the fans like this. So there is only one day Fanfest can be on? And sorry anyone that goes to an Instagram photo op thing or whatever should be shot, ok maybe maimed. Baseball=pinnacle of America. Instagram=the leading the charge into the destruction of self worth.

 

[NWinAZ]

I didnt read the whole thing other then it was issues with the field not being ready. I guess I figure if it was a priority to them, they woulda found a way

"The stated excuse above is that the field isn’t available, presumably because for the second consecutive year, T-Mobile Park is playing host to a corporate Christmas Instagram photo op. I must confess that I did actually attend Enchant on Saturday, and the event basically delivers exactly what you’d expect. The Christmas lights are quite impressive, walking around on the field level is pretty neat, and there are some neat booths set up in their Christmas market."

 

[ulmax]

The Seattle Mariners have had a quiet 2019 winter meetings thus far, but that doesn’t mean the team hasn’t been working behind the scenes. And if the latest rumors are to be believed, they could be working on something big.
The report came late yesterday evening that the Arizona Diamondbacks have expressed interest in a few outfielders as they look to improve on their 85 win campaign of a year ago. Most notably for our purposes, Arizona is interested in Mariners RF Mitch Haniger.

Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic reported that Arizona was looking to upgrade their corner outfield spot and added this:


Two outfielders who would fit that description are the Mariners’ Mitch Haniger and the Rangers’ Nomar Mazara. Both have been mentioned on the trade market at various points over the past year, and the Diamondbacks are said to have interest in both.

Now, having an interest in a player and actually pursuing said player are often two different things. But Jon Heyman added this on Tuesday:

Dbacks reportedly in on Haniger, Mazara. Have also heard Marte. Seeking to upgrade outfield. @nickpiecoro on Haniger, Mazara interest,

So we have reasonable cause to believe that the Diamondbacks interest in Haniger may be more than a passing fancy and it is possible that discussions have already begun. The Diamondbacks have a deep farm system and solid MLB pieces to facilitate a deal, making them a good fit for both Haniger and the Mariners.

The cost will, as always, dictate the seriousness of these talks, but thanks to Piecoro, we have a rough idea of who might be off-limits for the Mariners in these talks:

Sources indicate the Diamondbacks are more reluctant to move the players they view as their best prospects – namely catcher Daulton Varsho, shortstop Geraldo Perdomo, outfielder Corbin Carroll and perhaps others – unless, of course, they were getting back an elite player in return.

I think we can assume Arizona doesn’t view Haniger as an “elite player” but even removing the 3 names listed as well as guys like Alek Thomas and Kristian Robison, Arizona can still put up a formidable package.


Pitching prospects like Brennan Malone, J.B. Bukauskas, and Corbin Martin are all interesting names to watch. If Seattle believes in the bat of Seth Beer enough to overlook the obvious limitations of his game (DH only), he and Wildred Patino come to mind.

The tipping point in Arizona’s favor may come from 2 angles. First, their deep farm system is littered with high-quality arms, allowing them to potentially move an MLB starter to the Mariners. Robbie Ray, who is entering his final year of club control, is set to make around $10 million in 2020 and is a player Arizona has shopped in the past.

The Mariners are looking for a starter and Ray is a good one who misses bats, but despite 2020 being his age-28 season, the 1-year of club control makes him more of a trade chip to Seattle, or possibly to facilitate a 3-team deal.

Arizona also has arms like Merrill Kelly, who produced league average numbers in 2019 and is on a team-friendly deal that runs through 2020 with 2 team options attached. Luke Weaver could also be an interesting name to watch. Weaver got off to an excellent start in 2019 but missed most of the season with a strained UCL in his pitching arm.

This is a good trade..for arizona
Not the mariners
The mariners
Are closer..than people realize
They are not desperate

At all....
Arizona....IS..desperate..

 

[mcnabb7542]

This is a good trade..for arizona
Not the mariners
The mariners
Are closer..than people realize
They are not desperate

At all....
Arizona....IS..desperate..

Yeah if they move Mitch it better be for a haul!
I know the outfield depth is deep with the younger guys, but who knows if they are going to shit the bed when they get thrown to major league pitching when they get here!

 

[mcnabb7542]

They don't want the younger guys heckled until they get called up, It's a Dr Phil move!

That's why there is no fan fest!

 

[ulmax]

Yeah if they move Mitch it better be for a haul!
I know the outfield depth is deep with the younger guys, but who knows if they are going to shit the bed when they get thrown to major league pitching when they get here!

Yeah..the rest of the league thinks they are going to
Fleese the mariners..as they have in the past..
I dont think jedi will..fall..for that
Garbage..

No ..the thing really is that..other
Teams are looking at the mariners..and..salivating..

Why..
Farm system..looking good
Roster full of young players

X

 

[ulmax]

Just need
A
Pitching
Rotation

Which..they are working on

X

 

[ulmax]

They dont need..to..give up something..
To get a rotation....

No
Time and a free agent..is an easy ..fix..
In this case...

 

[SeattleCoug]

So this is why we should like the Narvaez trade. Dipoto basically admits to trading a decent player for more slot money.

 

[mcnabb7542]

So this is why we should like the Narvaez trade. Dipoto basically admits to trading a decent player for more slot money.

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"So this 2020 season is dedicated to getting the young core players experience"

But

"we aren't going to have fanfest so the fans can meet these young guys and get behind them!"

 

[NWinAZ]

So this is why we should like the Narvaez trade. Dipoto basically admits to trading a decent player for more slot money.

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Yes it was about slot money which makes the Haniger to AZ rumors creditable. AZ holds the #34 pick which M's would love to get their hands on for the same reasons as the Omar trade.

 

[wazzu31]

So this is why we should like the Narvaez trade. Dipoto basically admits to trading a decent player for more slot money.

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Wow, so as Mariners fans we are back to the Mariners draft someone who won’t want to sign with them? I’m not against dealing Narvaez but Jesus can’t they get something valuable when the Brewers were desperate?

 

[SeattleCoug]

Yes it was about slot money which makes the Haniger to AZ rumors creditable. AZ holds the #34 pick which M's would love to get their hands on for the same reasons as the Omar trade.

That makes sense if the rebuild was still going to take a few more years. Dipoto wants to compete in 12 months. Classic case of saying one thing and doing another. You cant have it both ways. Thats why I am turned off, because there still is no solid plan here.