2019-20 Quest for the cup(The Carter Hart era begins)

[lasgop8]

NHL power rankings: Are Flyers better than 20th after offseason?

 

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A Deeper Dive: Sanheim and his bridge deal

 

[lasgop8]

The way I see it, there's really only 2 questions about the opening night roster. Who is the last forward to dress and do they carry 8 dmen?

IMO, they'll try to carry 7 dmen, but if they're concerned about losing Hagg or Morin to waivers and don't find a trade partner, they'll keep 8 dmen. IMO, Hagg would get claimed for sure; but I don't think Morin necessarily would. With everyone trying to move guys to the minors, a guy with 8 NHL gp going in to his draft +7 year, with 24 hockey games played in 2 years, probably isn't drawing THAT much attention.

The forwards are more fun. I think that breaks down in to a few tiers.

High upside / High fun / Offensive boost Options:
Frost, Farabee, Ratcliffe

Boring / Veteran / Don't bring much Options:
Gabriel, Andreoff, Stewart

Young, but probably just depth / role player Options:
Vorobyev, Aube-Kubel, Rubtsov*

IMO, the most likely are Frost or Rubtsov in the opening night lineup. I put a * beside Rubtsov because I think there's a chance he can bring some offensive and be more fun than Vorobyev and Aube-Kubel. I'm hoping Frost comes to camp and tears it up. I think he brings the most dynamic elements and can help the offense more than any other guy on the list. He can finally be a guy that can drive PP2 to at least mediocrity instead of being a complete waste. He'd bring some speed/creativity/playmaking to Patrick and Lindblom/JvR on the 3rd line.

Philadelphia Flyers: The Battle For The Seventh Defensive Spot

 

[awaz]

Defensive pairs would be
Prov-Nisky
Sanheim- Braun
Ghost- Meyers
Morin and Hagg at 7 and 8 would be there for injury but to have both of them watching all the time does that hinder their development?

What would our 2PP look like?

If Frost does in fact make the team, and I were in charge..

PP1: Giroux, Couturier, Ghost, Voracek, JvR
PP2: Frost, Patrick/Sanheim/Myers, Hayes/Lindblom, Konecny

PP1 would be generally unchanged. That group has been good in the past and should be good. Giroux on the left half wall, Couturier in the slot, Voracek opposite Giroux, Ghost at the top, JvR in front. I would start the season the same way and see if they can be productive again.

PP2: Frost is the 'Giroux' of PP2. He's the most creative, so you have to develop the PP around him. I don't know enough to know where he's most comfortable, but put him where he's most comfortable. As a LH guy, I would assume it's either on the right half wall or possibly behind the net.

If it's the half wall, then you probably just try for a mirror of PP1. You probably want a RH guy at the point, which would be Myers IMO. Konecny in the slot, as a RH he can take one-timers off the right half wall from Frost (a la LH Couturier from Giroux on the left half wall). Hayes/Lindblom, the big body in front. Then you have the 'Voracek' spot. Ideally that would be a RH shot too, for cross-slot one timers from Frost. The only real RH option is Patrick, which isn't a bad option. I could see that working pretty well actually. I could also see Patrick/Konecny switching. But the only time in the past 5 years or so when PP2 looked even remotely threatening, Sanheim was executing the zone-entries. You could put Sanheim in the 'Voracek' spot, and have him in charge of the entries. He's got a good shot and pass anyway, so he can still provide some offense, but getting them set up would be his job.

If Frost likes behind the net, it's a little more straight forward. Konecny on the left half wall (ideal for one-timers from Frost). Whoever has the better one-timer between Hayes/Lindblom takes the right half wall, Patrick in front. I liked what Patrick showed subbing in for Simmonds a couple years ago. Frost/Patrick on both sides of the goal line could wreak havoc. The net front could be the weaker one-timer of Hayes/Lindblom also. Then Sanheim at the top of the umbrella, again leading the entries.

For PP2, I would say Frost and Konecny would be your locks. I would make an effort to have one dman and to have it be Sanheim. Then Patrick, Lindblom, and Hayes would duke it out for the last 2 spots.

If Frost doesn't make the team, you need a new guy running the show. The only guy who has the skillset to do it close to the way Giroux does, would be Voracek. So then you'd have to rethink a lot of things. You could have Voracek run the mirror'd PP1 explained above and move Lindblom/Hayes to PP1 in the 'Voracek' spot. That could be an option.

 

[lasgop8]

If Frost does in fact make the team, and I were in charge..

PP1: Giroux, Couturier, Ghost, Voracek, JvR
PP2: Frost, Patrick/Sanheim/Myers, Hayes/Lindblom, Konecny

PP1 would be generally unchanged. That group has been good in the past and should be good. Giroux on the left half wall, Couturier in the slot, Voracek opposite Giroux, Ghost at the top, JvR in front. I would start the season the same way and see if they can be productive again.

PP2: Frost is the 'Giroux' of PP2. He's the most creative, so you have to develop the PP around him. I don't know enough to know where he's most comfortable, but put him where he's most comfortable. As a LH guy, I would assume it's either on the right half wall or possibly behind the net.

If it's the half wall, then you probably just try for a mirror of PP1. You probably want a RH guy at the point, which would be Myers IMO. Konecny in the slot, as a RH he can take one-timers off the right half wall from Frost (a la LH Couturier from Giroux on the left half wall). Hayes/Lindblom, the big body in front. Then you have the 'Voracek' spot. Ideally that would be a RH shot too, for cross-slot one timers from Frost. The only real RH option is Patrick, which isn't a bad option. I could see that working pretty well actually. I could also see Patrick/Konecny switching. But the only time in the past 5 years or so when PP2 looked even remotely threatening, Sanheim was executing the zone-entries. You could put Sanheim in the 'Voracek' spot, and have him in charge of the entries. He's got a good shot and pass anyway, so he can still provide some offense, but getting them set up would be his job.

If Frost likes behind the net, it's a little more straight forward. Konecny on the left half wall (ideal for one-timers from Frost). Whoever has the better one-timer between Hayes/Lindblom takes the right half wall, Patrick in front. I liked what Patrick showed subbing in for Simmonds a couple years ago. Frost/Patrick on both sides of the goal line could wreak havoc. The net front could be the weaker one-timer of Hayes/Lindblom also. Then Sanheim at the top of the umbrella, again leading the entries.

For PP2, I would say Frost and Konecny would be your locks. I would make an effort to have one dman and to have it be Sanheim. Then Patrick, Lindblom, and Hayes would duke it out for the last 2 spots.

If Frost doesn't make the team, you need a new guy running the show. The only guy who has the skillset to do it close to the way Giroux does, would be Voracek. So then you'd have to rethink a lot of things. You could have Voracek run the mirror'd PP1 explained above and move Lindblom/Hayes to PP1 in the 'Voracek' spot. That could be an option.

This morning after i asked you what PP2 would look like i read an article that says Hayes will be centering the 2nd unit.

 

[awaz]

Philadelphia Flyers: The Battle For The Seventh Defensive Spot

Agree with the battle. The article lays it out pretty well.

I can't help but feel like we the fans want Morin to be good enough to think he's good, rather than judging by what he's shown. Because to me, he hasn't shown anything. The brightest spot the article could point out was a very small sample, 15 games, and it was in the AHL. Two years ago. Yes, he shouldn't be punished for being hurt. But can we really expect a guy that wasn't even an NHL player before (or at the very best, was arguably an NHL player), to come back after essentially taking two years off from hockey, and all of a sudden be an NHL player? Players normally take a step back after so much time off and yet we're hoping he's not only not lost a step, but gained some? Seems like an unrealistic expectation.

Hagg is the clearcut 7 to me. He's not a difference maker and I might not even call him good. But we do know he's not a total dumpster fire at the NHL level. He can bring some good qualities in the right role.

 

[lasgop8]

Agree with the battle. The article lays it out pretty well.

I can't help but feel like we the fans want Morin to be good enough to think he's good, rather than judging by what he's shown. Because to me, he hasn't shown anything. The brightest spot the article could point out was a very small sample, 15 games, and it was in the AHL. Two years ago. Yes, he shouldn't be punished for being hurt. But can we really expect a guy that wasn't even an NHL player before (or at the very best, was arguably an NHL player), to come back after essentially taking two years off from hockey, and all of a sudden be an NHL player? Players normally take a step back after so much time off and yet we're hoping he's not only not lost a step, but gained some? Seems like an unrealistic expectation.

Hagg is the clearcut 7 to me. He's not a difference maker and I might not even call him good. But we do know he's not a total dumpster fire at the NHL level. He can bring some good qualities in the right role.

The best part of the article for me was comparing Morin's skating and style to Parayko. Its going to be interesting. I dont see how Morin or Hagg gets better by sitting and if we put them on waivers and either of them get claimed we literally lost one or two good young defenseman as well as a 2nd and a 3rd pick for the likes of a 32 year old Justin Braun. That would make me livid.

 

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Analyzing The Philadelphia Flyers Goaltending Group

 

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Ranking each 2019 draft pick by how cool their names are

this is pretty funny

 

[chy1127]

Every morning I look to see if TK or Provy signed. I know its still early, but I want those loose ends tied up. Preseason football, followed by CFB gets us a stones throw from Camp. Really interested to see who wants it the most between Frost, Farabee, Robtsov and Vorobyev. I am thinking Frost.

 

[purdue81]

Ranking each 2019 draft pick by how cool their names are

this is pretty funny

Since I'm a "SKI"... I'll go with
Bryce Brodzinski

However... I also have some Russki blood, my second choice is
Egor Serdyuk

 

[purdue81]

If Frost does in fact make the team, and I were in charge..

PP1: Giroux, Couturier, Ghost, Voracek, JvR
PP2: Frost, Patrick/Sanheim/Myers, Hayes/Lindblom, Konecny

PP1 would be generally unchanged. That group has been good in the past and should be good. Giroux on the left half wall, Couturier in the slot, Voracek opposite Giroux, Ghost at the top, JvR in front. I would start the season the same way and see if they can be productive again.

PP2: Frost is the 'Giroux' of PP2. He's the most creative, so you have to develop the PP around him. I don't know enough to know where he's most comfortable, but put him where he's most comfortable. As a LH guy, I would assume it's either on the right half wall or possibly behind the net.

If it's the half wall, then you probably just try for a mirror of PP1. You probably want a RH guy at the point, which would be Myers IMO. Konecny in the slot, as a RH he can take one-timers off the right half wall from Frost (a la LH Couturier from Giroux on the left half wall). Hayes/Lindblom, the big body in front. Then you have the 'Voracek' spot. Ideally that would be a RH shot too, for cross-slot one timers from Frost. The only real RH option is Patrick, which isn't a bad option. I could see that working pretty well actually. I could also see Patrick/Konecny switching. But the only time in the past 5 years or so when PP2 looked even remotely threatening, Sanheim was executing the zone-entries. You could put Sanheim in the 'Voracek' spot, and have him in charge of the entries. He's got a good shot and pass anyway, so he can still provide some offense, but getting them set up would be his job.

If Frost likes behind the net, it's a little more straight forward. Konecny on the left half wall (ideal for one-timers from Frost). Whoever has the better one-timer between Hayes/Lindblom takes the right half wall, Patrick in front. I liked what Patrick showed subbing in for Simmonds a couple years ago. Frost/Patrick on both sides of the goal line could wreak havoc. The net front could be the weaker one-timer of Hayes/Lindblom also. Then Sanheim at the top of the umbrella, again leading the entries.

For PP2, I would say Frost and Konecny would be your locks. I would make an effort to have one dman and to have it be Sanheim. Then Patrick, Lindblom, and Hayes would duke it out for the last 2 spots.

If Frost doesn't make the team, you need a new guy running the show. The only guy who has the skillset to do it close to the way Giroux does, would be Voracek. So then you'd have to rethink a lot of things. You could have Voracek run the mirror'd PP1 explained above and move Lindblom/Hayes to PP1 in the 'Voracek' spot. That could be an option.

1-3-1 Power Play - 5 Options

The 1-3-1 formation allows teams a myriad of options and allows teams to get into other formations very quickly, adding an element of surprise and confusion to the penalty killers. It has the ability to spread the ice as much as possible inside the zone, keep a player in front of the net at all times, and place shooters in key positions.

So...... who are our shooters ?

 

[purdue81]

Every morning I look to see if TK or Provy signed. I know its still early, but I want those loose ends tied up. Preseason football, followed by CFB gets us a stones throw from Camp. Really interested to see who wants it the most between Frost, Farabee, Robtsov and Vorobyev. I am thinking Frost.

Was in Canada this week.... The Blue Bombers are lighting it up ! Huge game this week vs. the Tiger Cats

 

[lasgop8]

Every morning I look to see if TK or Provy signed. I know its still early, but I want those loose ends tied up. Preseason football, followed by CFB gets us a stones throw from Camp. Really interested to see who wants it the most between Frost, Farabee, Robtsov and Vorobyev. I am thinking Frost.

I think since we will be looking for a winger and not a center that Farabee wins the camp competition.

 

[lasgop8]

1-3-1 Power Play - 5 Options

The 1-3-1 formation allows teams a myriad of options and allows teams to get into other formations very quickly, adding an element of surprise and confusion to the penalty killers. It has the ability to spread the ice as much as possible inside the zone, keep a player in front of the net at all times, and place shooters in key positions.

So...... who are our shooters ?

Well we have one player that doesn't move more than two feet away from the net so we know he isn't one of the shooters.

 

[chy1127]

I think since we will be looking for a winger and not a center that Farabee wins the camp competition.

I think Frost and Rubtsov can adjust to the wing. I think Farabee needs about 10 more pounds of muscle before he is ready. Its a very long season compared to the 30+ games he played last year.My hope is that whoever plays the best, makes it.

 

[awaz]

HockeyBuzz.com - Bill Meltzer - Strong Day for Flyers Prospects at WJSS

Farabee, Brink, and York all made big impacts yesterday at the World Junior Summer Showcase. I followed along a little bit on twitter, sounds like Farabee was an absolute beast.

 

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Flyers Prospects Off To Great Start At World Junior Summer Showcase

Farabee leading the way.

 

[raptorlife4]

Another Monday closer to the season

 

[lasgop8]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lightn...vskiy-to-8-year-76-m-extension-133436616.html

It would be nice if we could sign Hart to an 8 year deal now before he gets to the top of his game and makes 8 year 76 million look like peanuts.