2018-2019 NBA Regular Season Thread

[WiggyRuss]

If not for that meltdown against the Raiders or if our kicker could make an XP in New Orleans playoffs would not be too crazy

But all in all major strides made

seriously...they blew games against the Raiders, Steelers, Bucs at the very least.... imean - it is what it is- they are a young team that is learning how to win and Hue was awful....but for the first time in a LOOONG LOOOONG time you can see a winner developing.

 

[Wamu]

i think Mayfield was 18 of 22 yesterday....among his incompletions were 1 drop to Higgins (that would have been a TD), a drop by Njoku (that would have went for like 20 yards), and a drop by Chubb- the other incompletion was a throw-away.

his accuracy and ability to move around the pocket and make throwing lanes is unreal.

Saw a stat yesterday that Mayfield's only the 3rd QB since 1970 to throw a TD pass in each of his 1st ten starts. The others- one's a HOFer (Kurt Warner) & the other was a S.B. winning QB (Brad Johnson).

 

[flyerhawk]

exactly

id think that a team like hte Pelicans would have interest in Ariza as well- as could a half dozen other teams. Its not like they will just throw him away for nothing when other teams are interested in him.

There are probably 4 or 5 teams that would like to get Ariza. Pels, Lakers, Sixers, Bucks. Nuggets maybe.

But none of them are going to just give away the farm for a rental player that will likely get bought out in a couple of months.

 

[WiggyRuss]

WHOA!!! There is absolutely doubt as to whether Kyrie is a top 15 player.

Lebron
Giannis
KD
Curry
Kawhi
Embiid
Harden
Westbrook
Jokic
Brow
Lillard
Butler
Oladipo
Griffin
Wall
Love
DeRozan
Porzingas

The top 12 or so are no brainers above Kyrie. He's a tremendous talent but his game comes with some costs.



How is Kyrie different than John Wall or Kemba Walker or Westbrook? Other than he got to play with one of the greatest players of all time?

IF Kyrie is healthy, which i admit isa big if...but if he is healthy, i absolutely put him no later than either above or behind Lillard on that list. whe nhtose defenses toughen up in the playoffs, when it turns into a half court game- his skill set is invaluable.

How he can take over a playoff game and singlehandedly lead you to a win is just invaluable. As far as pure offense goes KD is a better scorer, LeBron of course when he goes into scoring mode...and really that might be it.

No one has the combination of getting to the rim, mid range and 3 pt game that kyrie has. After Durant and LeBron he is the most unguardable player in the league.

 

[flyerhawk]

Saw a stat yesterday that Mayfield's only the 3rd QB since 1970 to throw a TD pass in each of his 1st ten starts. The others- one's a HOFer (Kurt Warner) & the other was a S.B. winning QB (Brad Johnson).

I think Mayfield is going to be a very good QB and I was saying that well before the draft but this stat seems kinda arbitrary.

 

[WiggyRuss]

There are probably 4 or 5 teams that would like to get Ariza. Pels, Lakers, Sixers, Bucks. Nuggets maybe.

But none of them are going to just give away the farm for a rental player that will likely get bought out in a couple of months.

absolutely....in my mind Ariza is slightly more valuable than Korver- since Korver had 3M guaranteed next year and Ariza , while not the same shooter, plays D.

the CAvs got 2 2nd rounders for Korver--- id expect the Suns to get at least that much, if not more for Ariza, since he plays D, has tons of playoff experience, can shoot the 3 and has no guaranteed money next year.

 

[tlance]

WHOA!!! There is absolutely doubt as to whether Kyrie is a top 15 player.

Lebron
Giannis
KD
Curry
Kawhi
Embiid
Harden
Westbrook
Jokic
Brow
Lillard
Butler
Oladipo
Griffin
Wall
Love
DeRozan
Porzingas

The top 12 or so are no brainers above Kyrie. He's a tremendous talent but his game comes with some costs.



How is Kyrie different than John Wall or Kemba Walker or Westbrook? Other than he got to play with one of the greatest players of all time?

He played for Cleveland.

Duh.

That inflators his value by 200%. I thought everybody knew that?

 

[Wamu]

I think Mayfield is going to be a very good QB and I was saying that well before the draft but this stat seems kinda arbitrary.

I had my concerns when the Browns took him # 1 because of the terrible history of drafting QB's they've had since returning in '99. There's no question he was the best QB of this past draft class though.

 

[flyerhawk]

IF Kyrie is healthy, which i admit isa big if...but if he is healthy, i absolutely put him no later than either above or behind Lillard on that list. whe nhtose defenses toughen up in the playoffs, when it turns into a half court game- his skill set is invaluable.

How he can take over a playoff game and singlehandedly lead you to a win is just invaluable. As far as pure offense goes KD is a better scorer, LeBron of course when he goes into scoring mode...and really that might be it.

No one has the combination of getting to the rim, mid range and 3 pt game that kyrie has. After Durant and LeBron he is the most unguardable player in the league.

Well health is a skill for sure. If Griffin could stay healthy he would be way higher on the list. Love as well.

Kyrie is immensely talented. And he could be dominant in a game. But his defense has always been suspect and if his shooting is off, he is a net negative for a team.

 

[WiggyRuss]

There are probably 4 or 5 teams that would like to get Ariza. Pels, Lakers, Sixers, Bucks. Nuggets maybe.

But none of them are going to just give away the farm for a rental player that will likely get bought out in a couple of months.

if i am the bucks I def. try and repackage Hill and a 2nd rounder for Ariza to the Suns....to me, that seems a lot better than any kind of package the Lakers are willing to give up. Hill would fit the Suns just fine for this year as a vet. and distributor.

 

[tlance]

absolutely....in my mind Ariza is slightly more valuable than Korver- since Korver had 3M guaranteed next year and Ariza , while not the same shooter, plays D.

the CAvs got 2 2nd rounders for Korver--- id expect the Suns to get at least that much, if not more for Ariza, since he plays D, has tons of playoff experience, can shoot the 3 and has no guaranteed money next year.

Ariza is significantly more valuable than Korver.

He is a legit starter who plays both ends of the floor. Can space offensively and can guard wings effectively. Not even close really.

 

[flyerhawk]

I had my concerns when the Browns took him # 1 because of the terrible history of drafting QB's they've had since returning in '99. There's no question he was the best QB of this past draft class though.

The Ringer had a great article about Mayfield back in April...

Baker Mayfield Should Be the Top Pick in the 2018 Draft

Mayfield passed the 2 major tests, IMO, for a QB prospect.

1. Did he PLAY really well in college? Sometimes teams fall in love with measurables and ignore how a QB actually played in college. Which is why some people thought Josh Allen was a better prospect than Baker Mayfield despite Allen doing nothing and Mayfield having an extraordinary college career.
2. What do the peripheral numbers have to say? If you look at a QBs overall stats(yards, TDs, Ints) you can sometimes confuse system and player. But when you deep dive into the peripheral numbers you can get a much better picture. And Mayfield's numbers were off the charts.

When I was reading up on him(I don't watch a ton of college football so I have to read up on these guys) he started reminding me a LOT of another undersized QB who transferred colleges and put up incredible numbers in college. As a Seahawks fan, I can say that guy turned out to be pretty good.

 

[flyerhawk]

Ariza is significantly more valuable than Korver.

He is a legit starter who plays both ends of the floor. Can space offensively and can guard wings effectively. Not even close really.

Yeah. I would think that the Suns can get some good value for Ariza.

However it is hard to know how far teams are willing to go. It sure as hell is more than KCP, IMO.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Ariza is significantly more valuable than Korver.

He is a legit starter who plays both ends of the floor. Can space offensively and can guard wings effectively. Not even close really.

no. he is not significantly better

watch what the returns are for him- they will not be CLOSE to "significantly" better than what the Cavs got for Korver- DESPITE Korver having 3.5M guaranteed next year

Korver is still one of the top 5 3pt shooters in the NBA accuracy wise and that is an extremely valuable skill set.

Ariza is shooting 35% from 3 this year, was 37% last year and was 34% the year before.

Korver is shooting 46% from 3 this year, shot 45% last year and about 45% the year before. Its why the CAvs were able to unload 3.5M in guaranteed money for next year, and get 2 2nd rounders for him- and a decent player in Burks as an expiring.

If the Ariza nets the Suns more on the open market than what the Cavs just got for Korver on the open market it would shock me if it is much more.

 

[Wamu]

The Ringer had a great article about Mayfield back in April...

Baker Mayfield Should Be the Top Pick in the 2018 Draft

Mayfield passed the 2 major tests, IMO, for a QB prospect.

1. Did he PLAY really well in college? Sometimes teams fall in love with measurables and ignore how a QB actually played in college. Which is why some people thought Josh Allen was a better prospect than Baker Mayfield despite Allen doing nothing and Mayfield having an extraordinary college career.
2. What do the peripheral numbers have to say? If you look at a QBs overall stats(yards, TDs, Ints) you can sometimes confuse system and player. But when you deep dive into the peripheral numbers you can get a much better picture. And Mayfield's numbers were off the charts.

When I was reading up on him(I don't watch a ton of college football so I have to read up on these guys) he started reminding me a LOT of another undersized QB who transferred colleges and put up incredible numbers in college. As a Seahawks fan, I can say that guy turned out to be pretty good.

Thanks for posting that article.

 

[Wamu]

no. he is not significantly better

watch what the returns are for him- they will not be CLOSE to "significantly" better than what the Cavs got for Korver- DESPITE Korver having 3.5M guaranteed next year

Korver is still one of the top 5 3pt shooters in the NBA accuracy wise and that is an extremely valuable skill set.

Ariza is shooting 35% from 3 this year, was 37% last year and was 34% the year before.

Korver is shooting 46% from 3 this year, shot 45% last year and about 45% the year before. Its why the CAvs were able to unload 3.5M in guaranteed money for next year, and get 2 2nd rounders for him- and a decent player in Burks as an expiring.

If the Ariza nets the Suns more on the open market than what the Cavs just got for Korver on the open market it would shock me if it is much more.

Since you only focused on their shooting abilities which player's the better defender? I'll give you a hint. One of the two you mentioned couldn't stop a ball rack from scoring a bucket.

 

[flyerhawk]

no. he is not significantly better

watch what the returns are for him- they will not be CLOSE to "significantly" better than what the Cavs got for Korver- DESPITE Korver having 3.5M guaranteed next year

Korver is still one of the top 5 3pt shooters in the NBA accuracy wise and that is an extremely valuable skill set.

Ariza is shooting 35% from 3 this year, was 37% last year and was 34% the year before.

Korver is shooting 46% from 3 this year, shot 45% last year and about 45% the year before. Its why the CAvs were able to unload 3.5M in guaranteed money for next year, and get 2 2nd rounders for him- and a decent player in Burks as an expiring.

If the Ariza nets the Suns more on the open market than what the Cavs just got for Korver on the open market it would shock me if it is much more.

Ariza is significantly more valuable than Korver. Korver is a no-defense specialist who plays 15 minutes a game. Ariza is a two-way 3 and D player than plays 30+ minutes a game and can defend 3 positions.

Ariza's stock is diminished because most teams assume he will get bought out so it is unclear what teams will pay for him.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Ariza is significantly more valuable than Korver. Korver is a no-defense specialist who plays 15 minutes a game. Ariza is a two-way 3 and D player than plays 30+ minutes a game and can defend 3 positions.

Ariza's stock is diminished because most teams assume he will get bought out so it is unclear what teams will pay for him.

well we shall see what the Suns get for him and compare it to waht the Cavs got for Korver even though Korver has guaranteed money next year and Ariza doesnt.....

ill have one of these ready:

#timevindicates

 

[WiggyRuss]

Since you only focused on their shooting abilities which player's the better defender? I'll give you a hint. One of the two you mentioned couldn't stop a ball rack from scoring a bucket.

and thats why above i said this: ".in my mind Ariza is slightly more valuable than Korver- since Korver had 3M guaranteed next year and Ariza , while not the same shooter, plays D."

but he is not "significantly" more valuable and the market will without a doubt bare that out.

 

[tlance]

well we shall see what the Suns get for him and compare it to waht the Cavs got for Korver even though Korver has guaranteed money next year and Ariza doesnt.....

ill have one of these ready:

#timevindicates

2 second round picks 2 and 3 years out likely to be around 45 is not a substantial asset. That is why you often see them sold for cash considerations.

You are more likely to draft a complete dud than a quality rotation piece at that spot.