2018-2019 NBA Regular Season Thread

[WiggyRuss]

Shouldn't Whiteside be out of the league now according to wiggy @TurnUpTheHeat ?

Vindicated my ass

Hassan has at least another 4-6 years left which means he would have played 10 seasons.

well, i believei did say it wouldnt surprise me if after his 4 year contract he signed with the Heat that he could be out of the league- and while that is not likely to happen - since he signed that contract his stock has crashed like a Bernie Madoff mutual fund.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

a "home run"

you are delusional. I: mean, i will ask my question again- just where do you think this is going for Bam? Do you think he is going to be an All Star someday? a top 20 player in the Eastern Conference?

As i said before- young bigs like Jarret Allen, John Collins, Myles Turner are certainly much more heralded as young big men in the Eastern Conference.

Just where do yout think this is going for "Bam"?

I believe I read an article where some GM said he could be a top 5 C in the league.
Unlike you, useless speculation is just that, but his growth is already impressive. Hes 20.

You commenting on Heat players would be like me commenting on Indians players.
If you don’t watch, its best to stay silent.

 

[WiggyRuss]

@WiggyRuss @Heatles84

I really didn’t pay attention to Heat salary this summer because I figured one more year as is.
However, I heard on radio that Whiteside opting out doesn’t help Heat with cap this summer anyway.

They were suggesting he doesn’t opt out, then the Heat trade his expiring contract to a team that needs a C.

I mean, thats POSSIBLE, but usually when teams trade for expiring contracts they want to get rid of bad money and send some back the other way.

The other problem with Whiteside is the amount of money he makes at 27M. Its not easy to cobble together 27M in contracts to send back- especially solely expiring contracts. It would probably mean the Heat taking back some long term money- and it would probably mean taking back multiple players to an already crowded rotation. There simply arent that many players that make that much that you could trade for.

Bill Simmons actually did talk about, on one of his podcasts, the unique contract of Jr Smith, and suggested the Heat trade for say, JR, and another expiring contract like Henson or Delly, --- and then just cut JR. The cost would likely be your first rounder though. JR at 14 and Henson at 11 would get to 25M, and that would be close enough to Whiteside's 27M to make a deal.

the heat CANT trade their first rounder in 2020 or 2022 due to the Stepien rule and the fact that their 2021 pick is already gone.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

well, i believei did say it wouldnt surprise me if after his 4 year contract he signed with the Heat that he could be out of the league- and while that is not likely to happen - since he signed that contract his stock has crashed like a Bernie Madoff mutual fund.

Whats Whitesides next contract?
Whats Tristans?
Im talking guess at dollars per season.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I believe I read an article where some GM said he could be a top 5 C in the league.
Unlike you, useless speculation is just that, but his growth is already impressive. Hes 20.

You commenting on Heat players would be like me commenting on Indians players.
If you don’t watch, its best to stay silent.

just like Whiteside was "maybe the most dominant center in the league"--- you speculating on a guy becoming a top 5 player at his position at age 20 is fun, but, is extremely unrealistic. Is it total 100% pie-in-the-sky bullshit? of course not- no one knows for sure---- but its about 90% bullshit. As I said, at least thus far, young Eastern Conference bigs like Collins and Allen seem better, more talented, with higher ceilings at this point.

 

[dtgold88]

Bad phrasing on my part. Are their rosters better than the Heat's? I don't believe they are. I'm not saying we're Milwaukee, Toronto, Philly or Boston. Hell, I don't even think we're Indiana (with Oladipo). But I think we should've been the 6th seed.

I disagree, but not an outlandish comment.

 

[Heatles84]

@WiggyRuss @Heatles84

I really didn’t pay attention to Heat salary this summer because I figured one more year as is.
However, I heard on radio that Whiteside opting out doesn’t help Heat with cap this summer anyway.

They were suggesting he doesn’t opt out, then the Heat trade his expiring contract to a team that needs a C.

That would probably be the best for all involved. I know whatever happens with Whiteside, we're still locked into this roster as is for 1 more year. On another note, did you see this (including @bksballer89 )?

 

[Heatles84]

I disagree, but not an outlandish comment.

That's fair. Differing of opinions, but it doesn't sound like we're too far apart on this one.

 

[dtgold88]

beat me to it.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

just like Whiteside was "maybe the most dominant center in the league"--- you speculating on a guy becoming a top 5 player at his position at age 20 is fun, but, is extremely unrealistic. Is it total 100% pie-in-the-sky bullshit? of course not- no one knows for sure---- but its about 90% bullshit. As I said, at least thus far, young Eastern Conference bigs like Collins and Allen seem better, more talented, with higher ceilings at this point.

Where did I say top 5?
I said I believe I read that a GM said it.

As far as the comparisons, just stop.
Bam has started in how many games?
He's 20.
Nobody has any clue what his ceiling is.

 

[WiggyRuss]

As far as young bigs go in the NBA, lets say age 23 or younger: Porzingis, Myles Turner, Ayton, Bagley, JJJ, Towns, Jarret Allen, John Collins, Wendell Carter Jr., Lauri Markenen, Isaac, Bamba, ---- Zion is coming into the league soon.


Ben Simmons is only 22- however you want to classify him.

Joel Embiid is only 25. Gobert is only 26. Steven Adams is only 25. Clint Capela is 24. Jokic is only 24. Andre Drummond is still only 25 (unbelievably).

Ya think 4 years from now Bam has any chance to be near the top of this list of talent? I mean, I wont say its 100% impossible, but its HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely. I mean- someone wins the Powerball even though the odds are about 1/180,000,000 but it happens.

 

[dtgold88]

How much time do you have?

do you have an alphabetical and chronological list?

 

[Stakesarehigh]

You are right. It isn't close. Gobert is a lot better.

Just like it is not a conversation between Draymond and and Nance.

Whiteside is A LOT closer to Gobert than Nance to Draymond. And the chasm between Gobert and Whiteside is vast.

Guess it depends how you look at it

Would you rather have Nance and Gobert or Green and Whiteside

If we take contract into equation...

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Bam Adebayo in middle of best stretch of his NBA career. Here’s why Heat isn’t surprised

 

[msgkings322]

Rudy Gobert just an animal this year.

(i) One of the best defensive players, if not the best in the league

(ii) best player on a Jazz team that won 50 games in the West

(iii) highest fg% in the entire NBA at 67%, played in 81 games

(iv) 16 pts, 13 boards, 2.3 blocks, 2.0 assists per game.

At one point the Jazz were in trouble early in the season. For them to put it together, win 50 games and get the 5 seed when they were at one time out of the playoffs is pretty awesome.

Not too many teams have as great a young 1-2 combo as Gobert and Mitchell.

And yet, Rockets in 5

 

[dtgold88]

thats awesome. Glad to see. The run of luck that the Warriors have had with seeding/opposing injuries the last 4 years has been ridiculous.

Would not be a shock if CP3 goes down round 1 for this reason.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

As far as young bigs go in the NBA, lets say age 23 or younger: Porzingis, Myles Turner, Ayton, Bagley, JJJ, Towns, Jarret Allen, John Collins, Wendell Carter Jr., Lauri Markenen, Isaac, Bamba, ---- Zion is coming into the league soon.


Ben Simmons is only 22- however you want to classify him.

Joel Embiid is only 25. Gobert is only 26. Steven Adams is only 25. Clint Capela is 24. Jokic is only 24. Andre Drummond is still only 25 (unbelievably).

Ya think 4 years from now Bam has any chance to be near the top of this list of talent? I mean, I wont say its 100% impossible, but its HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely. I mean- someone wins the Powerball even though the odds are about 1/180,000,000 but it happens.

The NBA is loaded with talent.
That's why they are in the NBA, right?

Anyway, everything doesn't have to be about rankings.
If Bam can continue to grow, then his value is tremendous, regardless of how any of the above pan out.

I asked you about Sexton.
I like him, but he might never be a top anything, but a huge asset for the Cavs.

See how that works?

 

[dtgold88]

I believe I read an article where some GM said he could be a top 5 C in the league.
Unlike you, useless speculation is just that, but his growth is already impressive. Hes 20.

You commenting on Heat players would be like me commenting on Indians players.
If you don’t watch, its best to stay silent.

You've been asked maybe a handful of times where you rank Bam and where you see him going and wont answer for some reason.

 

[dtgold88]

The NBA is loaded with talent.
That's why they are in the NBA, right?

Anyway, everything doesn't have to be about rankings.
If Bam can continue to grow, then his value is tremendous, regardless of how any of the above pan out.

I asked you about Sexton.
I like him, but he might never be a top anything, but a huge asset for the Cavs.

See how that works?

Good points about Sexton. But as of now he isn't paid like a top PG. Whiteside is paid like a top center.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

You've been asked maybe a handful of times where you rank Bam and where you see him going and wont answer for some reason.

Are you on crack?
I said he's 20, improving in leaps and bounds, and there is no way to guess his ceiling.