2017 Texas Rangers offseason thread

[fordman84]

Disclaimer: I have no idea who Miami has in the waiting for OF

I wonder if we could do some scenario where we offer Miami Choo + Profar + cash for a minor leaguer and a good chunk of their international bonus money. If they are seriously wanting to move Stanton then they could use a cheap veteran OFer. With the cash we could send Choo could be that. Plus they get a middle IF'er and don't have to give up much. Adding another $1m to our available offer to Otani could be a game changer.

We better be sure we could get Otani though if we give up Profar which is our best-most-expendable asset right now.

 

[saddles]

I think this is a point that needs to be settled between folks discussing the Rangers. When two people discuss something and have a different definition of a key word involved in that conversation it will certainly lead to a lot of miscommunication and a lack of being able to understand each other. To me the answer is "no".

 

[saddles]

Disclaimer: I have no idea who Miami has in the waiting for OF

I wonder if we could do some scenario where we offer Miami Choo + Profar + cash for a minor leaguer and a good chunk of their international bonus money. If they are seriously wanting to move Stanton then they could use a cheap veteran OFer. With the cash we could send Choo could be that. Plus they get a middle IF'er and don't have to give up much. Adding another $1m to our available offer to Otani could be a game changer.

We better be sure we could get Otani though if we give up Profar which is our best-most-expendable asset right now.

I am not sure that we can even add that much more to our international bonus pool. At this point I believe salesmanship is more important than being able to offer more. We have to sell him on the idea that playing in Texas is in his best interest.

We do have an opportunity to sign Darvish prior to Otani signing though and that could be a big difference maker.

 

[scotsman1948]

Disclaimer: I have no idea who Miami has in the waiting for OF

I wonder if we could do some scenario where we offer Miami Choo + Profar + cash for a minor leaguer and a good chunk of their international bonus money. If they are seriously wanting to move Stanton then they could use a cheap veteran OFer. With the cash we could send Choo could be that. Plus they get a middle IF'er and don't have to give up much. Adding another $1m to our available offer to Otani could be a game changer.

We better be sure we could get Otani though if we give up Profar which is our best-most-expendable asset right now.

explain why a team wanting to cut payroll wants to trade for an overpaid mainly DH with injury issues that limit him to the occasion play in RF. Miami is looking to cut payroll down to below 90M so unless the Rangers are willing to eat 60 to 70% of the 60+M Choo is owed i don't see them being interested. now a package of Profar and others might land Yelich or Ozuna. and Profar is 99% gone. he and the Rangers have no options left so we either bench or trade one of our middle infielders so he has a position or we trade him for whatever we can get

 

[Nightcrawler]

I wonder how much bringing in wakamatsu will help rooster.

He might be worth 2 more wins give or take. Wakamatsu has managerial experience and seemed to enjoy managing a bullpen. The bullpen / pitching changes seems to be the rooster’s weakest area. He would always seem to pull a starter too late or bring in the wrong guy at the wrong time.

I know injuries really hurt this team and is probably the main reason we didn’t get a wild card, but the Dyson fiasco right out of the gate really hurt this team.

 

[scotsman1948]

I wonder how much bringing in wakamatsu will help rooster.

He might be worth 2 more wins give or take. Wakamatsu has managerial experience and seemed to enjoy managing a bullpen. The bullpen / pitching changes seems to be the rooster’s weakest area. He would always seem to pull a starter too late or bring in the wrong guy at the wrong time.

I know injuries really hurt this team and is probably the main reason we didn’t get a wild card, but the Dyson fiasco right out of the gate really hurt this team.

I wonder how much bringing in wakamatsu will help rooster.

He might be worth 2 more wins give or take. Wakamatsu has managerial experience and seemed to enjoy managing a bullpen. The bullpen / pitching changes seems to be the rooster’s weakest area. He would always seem to pull a starter too late or bring in the wrong guy at the wrong time.

I know injuries really hurt this team and is probably the main reason we didn’t get a wild card, but the Dyson fiasco right out of the gate really hurt this team.

with the injuries and poor performance by both the starters and relievers placing the blame solely on rooster seems harsh.

 

[Nightcrawler]

with the injuries and poor performance by both the starters and relievers placing the blame solely on rooster seems harsh.

You still have to acknowledge that under any circumstances, the bullpen managing wasn’t up to par.

 

[scotsman1948]

You still have to acknowledge that under any circumstances, the bullpen managing wasn’t up to par.

no i don't. it was a crapshoot every game on what you were going to get. when you have low faith in your starters and even less faith in your pen you will tend to stay with a starter too long

 

[Nightcrawler]

no i don't. it was a crapshoot every game on what you were going to get. when you have low faith in your starters and even less faith in your pen you will tend to stay with a starter too long

Agree to disagree.


There were games where Banny used our best bullpen pitcher in games that were already out of reach.

Say for example, we were ahead 6-1 in the 8th or 9th inning, he would still bring our closer or our setup man out there.

The next night, we would be in a tight game and those arm(s) are not available.

It happened way too often

 

[saddles]

explain why a team wanting to cut payroll wants to trade for an overpaid mainly DH with injury issues that limit him to the occasion play in RF. Miami is looking to cut payroll down to below 90M so unless the Rangers are willing to eat 60 to 70% of the 60+M Choo is owed i don't see them being interested. now a package of Profar and others might land Yelich or Ozuna. and Profar is 99% gone. he and the Rangers have no options left so we either bench or trade one of our middle infielders so he has a position or we trade him for whatever we can get

They would probably only take on a player like Choo if it is in a trade to unload Stanton's contract. They will probably have to accept a bad contract back when they trade Stanton.

 

[scotsman1948]

They would probably only take on a player like Choo if it is in a trade to unload Stanton's contract. They will probably have to accept a bad contract back when they trade him.

i agree with this and no way do we trade for Stanton. now some package that includes Profar, other MLB-ready players and prospects might get Yelich or Ozuna or both

 

[scotsman1948]

Agree to disagree.


There were games where Banny used our best bullpen pitcher in games that were already out of reach.

Say for example, we were ahead 6-1 in the 8th or 9th inning, he would still bring our closer or our setup man out there.

The next night, we would be in a tight game and those arm(s) are not available.

It happened way too often

how long had it been since the closer or set-up man had pitched and unless the manager is Kreskin how would he be able to know what will occur the next game?

 

[scotsman1948]

Otani's Japanese team has agreed to posting him for the max 20M but the MLBPA still intends to fight against it because some team can't outbid the others by offering him a 200M contract. instead it comes down to a popularity contest and any team can sign him on a rookie contract with a 1-3M signing bonus. the MLBPA is pushing for him to wait until after the 2019-20 off-season to post so that they can ensure he goes to the right team

 

[Kelleyman]

Texas and its media base is a much more patient landing spot for Ohtani. Even with the Yu hate from a few media This could be a factor. Yanks are in a better spot to make noise in playoffs. Another factor.

I do think if we land Yu and Ohtani and our bullpen does well, we can compete. Astros and Cleveland look better on paper but 2018 will still be played in between the lines.

 

[scotsman1948]

Texas and its media base is a much more patient landing spot for Ohtani. Even with the Yu hate from a few media This could be a factor. Yanks are in a better spot to make noise in playoffs. Another factor.

I do think if we land Yu and Ohtani and our bullpen does well, we can compete. Astros and Cleveland look better on paper but 2018 will still be played in between the lines.

add a CF'er and a closer and i can agree

 

[scotsman1948]

Texas and its media base is a much more patient landing spot for Ohtani. Even with the Yu hate from a few media This could be a factor. Yanks are in a better spot to make noise in playoffs. Another factor.

I do think if we land Yu and Ohtani and our bullpen does well, we can compete. Astros and Cleveland look better on paper but 2018 will still be played in between the lines.

oh and add Mikolas. that would give us a rotation of Ohtani, Hamels, Darvish, Perez & Mikolas

 

[Kelleyman]

More fodder

 

[DT LUNA]

More fodder

Fodder with a capital F. He got most of it from us. Bet you didn't know we need more pitching.lol

 

[scotsman1948]

Fodder with a capital F. He got most of it from us. Bet you didn't know we need more pitching.lol

boy i'm glad he cleared that up for us i was not sure about our needs

 

[Kelleyman]

Fodder with a capital F. He got most of it from us. Bet you didn't know we need more pitching.lol

Yeah he did not mention trades so obviously Profar not mentioned. Yet I do think we need to be a bit better with RHBs which is why Rua or someone needs to step up.

One thing I find interesting is which FA pitching to go after. Different markets lose different picks and there is a bit of hypocrisy involved. I am not so sure for example on Cobb who we pursued prior to his second half rebound is even viable. If we could not get him then, then now his price Is up and we lose a pick. Not thinking we want to give up picks at this stage although the pick lost is not as bad in the past.

Funny I think our best upper tier pickups are Yu and Cashner. Otherwise I bet we get more one year contracts pending if we luck into Ohtani.