2017-2018 NBA Regular Season Thread

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Sorry, I misunderstood again. My assumption when you said if we considered LBJ's defense as shitty.

Oh, no....I meant....

If we accept that fact as gospel.....lol

I'm one of those folks who start talking/typing halfway thru my thought process and just expects everyone around me to know what the fuck I meant....

 

[LAD]

Oh, no....I meant....

If we accept that fact as gospel.....lol

I'm one of those folks who start talking/typing halfway thru my thought process and just expects everyone around me to know what the fuck I meant....

Yea I find myself doing the same thing at times.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I agree with 1A & 1B, but just reversed with KD first & LBJ second. IMO KD's defensive edge is too much to overlook in terms of rating them & huge for his team.

Yeah, this is where we veer in different directions.

I give Bron the nod because of his boards, dimes and he's actually scoring more.

In fairness, he has to score more because he plays with inferior talent compared to Kevin.

I'm sure Durant could average 40 if he wanted to.

But, those 6.8 boards a game?

He's fucking 7 feet tall.

Come on..

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Ok how's this:
If we're taking defense out of the equation, then we're only left with the offensive side of the court, right?
So, you don't think guys that are prolific scorers, like a Harden or KD aren't better? They can create their own shots better than he can, AND they are better shooters, agreed?

Both of them do pass the ball - Harden is averaging 8 assists this season & KD is averaging over 5. That's with Harding sharing the PG role with CP3 & KD playing with Steph AND Dray. LBJ this season is averaging 9 assists.

Also, both of them shoot F/T's better. KD 's F/T % is 16% better than LBJ - Harden's is 14% better. That is HUGE given the fact those aren't even guarded shots.

LBJ's only averaging 1 more point per game this season than KD - and 3 points less than Harden. Let's also remember this season LBJ has played 7 more games than Harden & 11 more games than KD. KD shoots the 3 @ 43%, Harden @ 37% & LBJ @ 36%.

LBJ does have a slight edge over KD on FG%, but not by much. He is much more efficient than Harden, I will give him that. But, KD & Harden shoot more jumpers than LBJ.

So, after looking at all of these things on offense - and then consider that KD is also doing more than LBJ on defense how could LBJ still be considered the best complete player? And after looking at it from this perspective -only considering offense - Harden gives him a run for his money too.

By the way.

Excellent retort with the data to back up your argument.

Well done.



* I still don't agree!!!!!!*

 

[TJL]

KD sucks

 

[LAD]

Yeah, this is where we veer in different directions.

I give Bron the nod because of his boards, dimes and he's actually scoring more.

In fairness, he has to score more because he plays with inferior talent compared to Kevin.

I'm sure Durant could average 40 if he wanted to.

But, those 6.8 boards a game?

He's fucking 7 feet tall.

Come on..

Yea I'd like to see KD average at least 10 boards a game - and that has been something I've always said he should be doing as far back as when he was with OKC. But, it works with GS because they gang rebound - Steph is averaging 5 rebounds himself & Dray is averaging 7.

 

[CitySushi]

KD sucks

The real question is Khabib or Ferguson? Think Rose defends against Joanna?

 

[LAD]

By the way.

Excellent retort with the data to back up your argument.

Well done.



* I still don't agree!!!!!!*

Every once in a while I'll get a wild hair

 

[TJL]

The real question is Khabib or Ferguson? Think Rose defends against Joanna?

Khabib, yes.

 

[TJL]

lol @ "Gang rebounding", shut up.

 

[LAD]

lol @ "Gang rebounding", shut up.

boi bye

 

[TJL]

Boy*

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Every once in a while I'll get a wild hair

You always hold your own, with solid points, even when we don't agree.

Lord knows I have many player bias'.

So, I completely understand why you aren't feeling him.

I will always choose Duncan, or anyone else that's reasonably close, over Kobe.

I can't stand his ass and I don't even try to disguise it as anything other than hate.

*ReSPECK for @ChiefsLakers67 for keeping it real*

 

[Black Adam]

Now that's a helluva doober.

my guess is you would know...

 

[LAD]

You always hold your own, with solid points, even when we don't agree.

Lord knows I have many player bias'.

So, I completely understand why you aren't feeling him.

I will always choose Duncan, or anyone else that's reasonably close, over Kobe.

I can't stand his ass and I don't even try to disguise it as anything other than hate.

*ReSPECK for @ChiefsLakers67 for keeping it real*

Well I appreciate your ability to debate without taking things personal. It's why we get along so well. BTW, you ALWAYS make good points.

 

[Black Adam]

(takes a swig o' Code Red) k, ending the debate...

i'm taking KD...

as Mecca said, sometimes ya just hate a muthafucka...

 

[Black Adam]

KD sucks

#hatersgonnahate

 

[CitySushi]

Klay's a better shooter than your favorite player, even using his left hand. Legend.

 

[LAD]

Boy*

 

[tlance]

And so when did I say they told the ENTIRE story? As a matter of fact I already said the don't tell the entire story. My goodness, why are you picking to argue?

Nobody is picking on you.

The point is that you were using blocks and steals as an indicator of quality defense. Saying they don't tell the entire story isn't good enough. If that is your metric for defense, you are flat out wrong. I believe my post above proves that point emphatically.

Yet, you keep saying that steals and blocks are meaningful stats for perimeter players. They aren't at all unless put into proper context.

For example, Paul George gets a lot of steals because OKC's defense is predicated on ball pressure and denying one away. It is his job to be in passing lanes and he does it well. For other teams with more conservative defensive philosophy, a high number of steals can sometimes be an indicator of BAD defense because the player gambles too much and gets out of position going for those steals, a la James Harden and Allen Iverson.

I made a simple point. You keep doubling down on your assertion that steals and blocks are meaningful measures for defense. They aren't.