2016-17 NBA Regular Season Thread

[WiggyRuss]

Korver is 30/47 from 3 in the month of Feb

seriously....

Griffin has done a great job.

he hasnt listened to the noise and panicked and went for a backup poiint guard that wont even play i nthe playoffs.

he targeted and got Korver- like one of the best players you could imagine to put around lebron- and the dude is shooting over 60% from 3 this month.

DWilliams- a guy - besides Thompson- who can actually finish the screen and roll on the Cavs--- as good as Shump, Korver, Frye, Smith etc. shoot- Thompson was the only guy that could screen and roll and finish.


you notice how pretty much only big men have been moved thus far- its the only thing thats on the market- the trade value of centers has PLUMMETED- its at an all time low. No one wants to be tied down to playing a slow pace of basketball. Everyone realizes you have to be able to switch defensively and space the floor.

Great job by Griffin to add Korver and Williams- 2 wing players that compliment the team well.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

all those guys blow....well Birdman was decent/solid in his prime.

Miami for the most part- especially in LeBrons last year- did a shit job of putting guys beyond their Big 3 on the roster.

another reason LEBron high tailed it out of town.

Thanks for confirming my points on Tristan.
Add his name to that list because they all played a similiar type role.
Didnt Bird at one point make 15 straight shots, or something like that?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

any of those guys put up double doubles in two conseuctive finals? just curious

They didnt need to.
A role is a role.
Whatever they did was enough to help win back to back rings.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Have a couple who would you rather have questions based on that under 25 list:

1) Jokic or Porzingas
2) Barnes or LaVine
3) Oladipo or Russell
4) Booker or Wiggins

Zingers, Barnes, Olidipo......Wiggins....shit.

Last one is hard because Booker has that killer inside and Wiggins only shows that sometimes.

Take it back....Booker.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Korver is 30/47 from 3 in the month of Feb

He might be the best shooter of all-time if you leave him open. But the best shooter while shooting a high volume is without a doubt Steph

 

[CitySushi]

seriously....

Griffin has done a great job.

he hasnt listened to the noise and panicked and went for a backup poiint guard that wont even play i nthe playoffs.

he targeted and got Korver- like one of the best players you could imagine to put around lebron- and the dude is shooting over 60% from 3 this month.

DWilliams- a guy - besides Thompson- who can actually finish the screen and roll on the Cavs--- as good as Shump, Korver, Frye, Smith etc. shoot- Thompson was the only guy that could screen and roll and finish.


you notice how pretty much only big men have been moved thus far- its the only thing thats on the market- the trade value of centers has PLUMMETED- its at an all time low. No one wants to be tied down to playing a slow pace of basketball. Everyone realizes you have to be able to switch defensively and space the floor.

Great job by Griffin to add Korver and Williams- 2 wing players that compliment the team well.

I don't know if it's just me, but I find it really weird that the Cavs are scouring the market for offensive minded players. I feel like the Cavs biggest problem, or hindrance to repeating would be the fact that they're not as great on defense. They have so much fire power already with Lebron, Kyrie, Love, Frye, JR, Korver, etc. but don't have many options for defense. It feels like they're just going to try and out gun everyone.

While Love and Kyrie are not average defenders, of course they're capable in spurts. But I'm talking about consistent defensive players who could play a role for this team. So far I only see TT, Shump, Lebron and Liggins as guys who would bring it on a nightly basis.

Right now Cleveland is only 20th in defensive efficiency.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I think Livingston is definitely gone. Iguodala might be a bit more tricky. He loves the bay area and more specifically the Silicon Valley. He's heavily invested in a lot of tech companies and one of the main reasons he choose the Warriors was because he was preparing for his career after basketball. There's an entirely plausible situation where he takes less (although not sure to what degree) to stay with the Warriors.

Livingston has been great, but combined with having to rest him a lot and him getting up there in age, he might become more replaceable. People have been saying McCaw is Iguodala's replacement, but truthfully I see him more as Livingstons. McCaw's got a great handle, good passer, but he's rail thin. He might be best served as a big point in his career. (Mecca or LAD I think called this previously, where I argued McCaw should be a 3.)

The Warriors will resign both Curry and Durant.

The bigger question becomes what do they do with the front court? Pachulia, McGee and West (all on minimal contracts) are free agents too. I think Javale will want to stay. Pachulia has already said he wants to stay.

It's going to be a crazy off-season no doubt.

Yup.

I remember this conversation when I was drolling over Levert and Mccaw.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I don't know if it's just me, but I find it really weird that the Cavs are scouring the market for offensive minded players. I feel like the Cavs biggest problem, or hindrance to repeating would be the fact that they're not as great on defense. They have so much fire power already with Lebron, Kyrie, Love, Frye, JR, Korver, etc. but don't have many options for defense. It feels like they're just going to try and out gun everyone.

While Love and Kyrie are not average defenders, of course they're capable in spurts. But I'm talking about consistent defensive players who could play a role for this team. So far I only see TT, Shump, Lebron and Liggins as guys who would bring it on a nightly basis.

Right now Cleveland is only 20th in defensive efficiency.

And my guess Liggins won't play much but I would add RJ to the list. While he can't give you as many minutes as old RJ, he does being a good physical presence especially for the minutes he plays. But I agree, but who could you really pickup that would bring that great defense and not just take up a spot for an offensive minded guy. Liggins is good at D but he isn't good on offense at all. Today's league seems like the offenses are too good so why even try to play great defense but I think they do need defensive-minded guys. I think they have enough defense when JR gets healthy though honestly, especially the defense he has been playing.

Lebron
TT
Shump
JR
RJ
Liggins

in a 8-10 man rotation. Not bad. But they need a rim protector. If they could get Bogut that would be a great pickup IMO

 

[CitySushi]

Yup.

I remember this conversation when I was drolling over Levert and Mccaw.

I was really high on Levert and I like McCaw alot too. But you were first on the McCaw wagon though. Levert has had some good games so far for Brooklyn.

 

[CitySushi]

And my guess Liggins won't play much but I would add RJ to the list. While he can't give you as many minutes as old RJ, he does being a good physical presence especially for the minutes he plays. But I agree, but who could you really pickup that would bring that great defense and not just take up a spot for an offensive minded guy. Liggins is good at D but he isn't good on offense at all. Today's league seems like the offenses are too good so why even try to play great defense but I think they do need defensive-minded guys. I think they have enough defense when JR gets healthy though honestly, especially the defense he has been playing.

Lebron
TT
Shump
JR
RJ
Liggins

in a 8-10 man rotation. Not bad. But they need a rim protector. If they could get Bogut that would be a great pickup IMO

Yeah, RJ totally slipped my mind. How is this guy still playing decent basketball at this age?

The Warriors will likely go to a 9 man rotation in the playoffs:

Steph
Klay
KD
Dray
Pachulia

Bench:
Javale
West
Livingston
Iguodala

Clark may get spot minutes, but I think that'll mostly be it. The matchup problems I see for the Cavs is that they'll likely go small a lot too, putting a lot of minutes of Lebron at the 4. If they do that, they could probably use one additional wing defender. Korver can shoot the ball, but he's a liability defensively. Same goes with Frye. The second unit for the Cavs seems like it would be really bad defensively.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

He might be the best shooter of all-time if you leave him open. But the best shooter while shooting a high volume is without a doubt Steph

Best shooter I have ever seen live, if left wide open, is:

Spoiler

James Jones

Not only can he hit shot after shot, he can do it shooting from all different angles.

 

[WiggyRuss]

They didnt need to.
A role is a role.
Whatever they did was enough to help win back to back rings.

you are such a dipshit

Joel Anthony- his BEST season- in Miami or out of Miami- was 3.4 points and 3.9 rebounds-

Birdman's BEST YEAR in the NBA- 7.7 and 6.1

Thompson - as a 22 year LONG before LeBron got there 11.7 and 9.4 and 11.7 and 9.2 in his age 21 and 22 seasons.

so when you say stupid shit like this- it just destroys your credibility. At 21 years old Tristan Thompson was doing things those SCRUBS didnt do their entire career- not even close. Guys like Anderson and Anthony are just the old version of scrubs like Rodney McGruder and Luke Babbit and Willie Reed.

LeBron would not GIVE A SHIT if Anderson or Joel Anthony got hurt--- If Tristan Thompson got hurt (which he never does (knock on wood)), the Cavs defense would fall apart.

If you want another Joel Anthony you go to the dleague to pick him up- like a Rodney McGruder or Willie Reed- well unless you are Pat Riley who instead gives him a big extension, realizes it was ridiculous, and wastes a first round pick to save some cash.

 

[WiggyRuss]

And my guess Liggins won't play much but I would add RJ to the list. While he can't give you as many minutes as old RJ, he does being a good physical presence especially for the minutes he plays. But I agree, but who could you really pickup that would bring that great defense and not just take up a spot for an offensive minded guy. Liggins is good at D but he isn't good on offense at all. Today's league seems like the offenses are too good so why even try to play great defense but I think they do need defensive-minded guys. I think they have enough defense when JR gets healthy though honestly, especially the defense he has been playing.

Lebron
TT
Shump
JR
RJ
Liggins

in a 8-10 man rotation. Not bad. But they need a rim protector. If they could get Bogut that would be a great pickup IMO

look at the best teams in the league....Cavs, Warriors, Spurs, Celtics, Wizards

do any of them have a great rim protector? not really. Its a waste. Load up on wings just like the Cavs are doing.

would it be great if you could land a Trevor Ariza? sure- but those dont exactly grow on trees- if someone gets PJ Tucker he would be a difference maker.

LeBron, Jefferson, Shump, Liggins, JR- all wing defenders with size that can switch- thats not a coincedence.

I dont think the Cavs really care for the 7 foot rim protector that cant switch. Its a waste. That guy is a fish out of water against Golden State anyway unless its just a ball buster of a rim protector like a Gobert.

The Cavs are doing what they should be doing- getting toys for LeBron. What has my quote said on the bottom of my profile since I have been at sportshoopla? "You cant always get what you....but you get what you need" (to paraphrase)...LeBron mightve wanted a backup point guard- but he has gotten what he needed- a 3pt shooter that can fucking bury a team by himself if he is hot and getting the type of looks Kyrie and LeBron get guys, and a 25 year old former #2 pick spectacular athlete who doesnt really know how to play basketball YET (that may change under the Kings leadership) but sure can finish in the paint- which is a nice compliment to what hte Cavs had.

you have a once in a lifetime player- you dont need Timo Mozgov. Mozgov couldnt even get on the court in the playoffs. Is that the type of defender the CAvs should get? fuck that. they dont want it and dont need it. Get LeBron some more toys to play with.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

you are such a dipshit

Joel Anthony- his BEST season- in Miami or out of Miami- was 3.4 points and 3.9 rebounds-

Birdman's BEST YEAR in the NBA- 7.7 and 6.1

Thompson - as a 22 year LONG before LeBron got there 11.7 and 9.4 and 11.7 and 9.2 in his age 21 and 22 seasons.

so when you say stupid shit like this- it just destroys your credibility. At 21 years old Tristan Thompson was doing things those SCRUBS didnt do their entire career- not even close. Guys like Anderson and Anthony are just the old version of scrubs like Rodney McGruder and Luke Babbit and Willie Reed.

LeBron would not GIVE A SHIT if Anderson or Joel Anthony got hurt--- If Tristan Thompson got hurt (which he never does (knock on wood)), the Cavs defense would fall apart.

If you want another Joel Anthony you go to the dleague to pick him up- like a Rodney McGruder or Willie Reed- well unless you are Pat Riley who instead gives him a big extension, realizes it was ridiculous, and wastes a first round pick to save some cash.

So what you are also now confirming is that Riley did a top to bottom better job of constructing a roster who could play team D.
Thanks


On top of that, maybe consider opponent.
You don't think it's easier to put up bigger stats vs a run and gun Warriors team vs a methodical defensive minded team like the Spurs?

#dipshit
#boardclown

 

[bksballer89]

Remember hassan doesn't work hard.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Remember hassan doesn't work hard.

He was in the gym all summer.
It shows.

 

[WiggyRuss]

So what you are also now confirming is that Riley did a top to bottom better job of constructing a roster who could play team D.
Thanks


On top of that, maybe consider opponent.
You don't think it's easier to put up bigger stats vs a run and gun Warriors team vs a methodical defensive minded team like the Spurs?

#dipshit
#boardclown

its just such a joke. I do enjoy just how absolutely bitter you are still.

Tristan Thompson the 4th pick in the draft who would have NEVER lasted passed top 7, in his age 21 and 22 seasons is putting up double doubles -and Birdman and scrub ass Joel Anthony are teh same thing. You just torpedoed any credibility. Its such a joke.

The Cavs do not win that title without Tristan Thompson. Thats a fact. His skillset is rare in the NBA and he is only getting better. I can see three straight Finals with a double double

ya know what Joel Anthony averaged in that series against the Mavericks? 1.3 pts and 3.5 assists in just over 20 minutes a game. TRASH

how about OKC? he didnt even play. TRASH 2 total minutes--- Against the Spurs he got a whole 3.8 minutes. TRASH- not a game- oh no- in the ENTIRE SERIES.

Joel Anthony was on the HEat for their first 3 runs to the Finals (until Riley strapped a first rounder to him and had boston take his contrac to save mickey some cash) - and he TOTALED 10 points and 28 boards IN THREE SERIES!!!!! LOL....

Chris Anderson- more of the same bullshit.

Against the Spurs- 2.6 pts, 5.6 boards, 18 minutes a game--- TRASH

the year before against the Spurs?- 14 minutes a night 4.4 pts , 3.0 boards- TRASH


TRISTAN THOMPSON? vs. Golden State- 10.3 pts, 10.1 boards on 64% shooting from the field while playing excellent defense. More points in 1 game then Joel Anthony had in 3 SERIES.

The year before? against Golden STate 10 pts, 13 rebounds a night on 50% shooting.


so when you compare Thompson to scrubs like Anthony and Anderson- all you do is humiliate yourself.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

its just such a joke. I do enjoy just how absolutely bitter you are still.

Tristan Thompson the 4th pick in the draft who would have NEVER lasted passed top 7, in his age 21 and 22 seasons is putting up double doubles -and Birdman and scrub ass Joel Anthony are teh same thing. You just torpedoed any credibility. Its such a joke.

The Cavs do not win that title without Tristan Thompson. Thats a fact. His skillset is rare in the NBA and he is only getting better. I can see three straight Finals with a double double

ya know what Joel Anthony averaged in that series against the Mavericks? 1.3 pts and 3.5 assists in just over 20 minutes a game. TRASH

how about OKC? he didnt even play. TRASH 2 total minutes--- Against the Spurs he got a whole 3.8 minutes. TRASH- not a game- oh no- in the ENTIRE SERIES.

Joel Anthony was on the HEat for their first 3 runs to the Finals (until Riley strapped a first rounder to him and had boston take his contrac to save mickey some cash) - and he TOTALED 10 points and 28 boards IN THREE SERIES!!!!! LOL....

Chris Anderson- more of the same bullshit.

Against the Spurs- 2.6 pts, 5.6 boards, 18 minutes a game--- TRASH

the year before against the Spurs?- 14 minutes a night 4.4 pts , 3.0 boards- TRASH


TRISTAN THOMPSON? vs. Golden State- 10.3 pts, 10.1 boards on 64% shooting from the field while playing excellent defense. More points in 1 game then Joel Anthony had in 3 SERIES.

The year before? against Golden STate 10 pts, 13 rebounds a night on 50% shooting.


so when you compare Thompson to scrubs like Anthony and Anderson- all you do is humiliate yourself.

You just don't get it.
I'm not at all saying the C the Heat had are better then Tristan.
They aren't.
I'm saying it didn't/doesn't matter.

You're entitled to any opinion you choose to have, but once facts confirm if is wrong, you should drop it.

Fact is, none of the C the Heat played, on their own merit, are winning anything for anyone.
Same applies to Tristan.

Now, take any of the 4, surround them with James and good coaching, and they all can play an important role.
All 4 bring something different, but all 4 contributed to the winning.
Often times what they brought isn't noticed by looking at a box score.

 

[WiggyRuss]

You just don't get it.
I'm not at all saying the C the Heat had are better then Tristan.
They aren't.
I'm saying it didn't/doesn't matter.

You're entitled to any opinion you choose to have, but once facts confirm if is wrong, you should drop it.

Fact is, none of the C the Heat played, on their own merit, are winning anything for anyone.
Same applies to Tristan.

Now, take any of the 4, surround them with James and good coaching, and they all can play an important role.
All 4 bring something different, but all 4 contributed to the winning.
Often times what they brought isn't noticed by looking at a box score.

the Cavs absolutely do not win those finals if they had Chris Anderson instead of Tristan Thompson. If you cant see that- you are hopeless.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

the Cavs absolutely do not win those finals if they had Chris Anderson instead of Tristan Thompson. If you cant see that- you are hopeless.

Finals???
You mean Final.

Anyway, I agree. Cavs don't win last year with Bird, UD, or Anthony.


But, how did the Heat win twice with them, and make the Finals the other 2 years if the Heats roster wasn't better/deeper?