2014 Offseason

[DT LUNA]

Best thing I've heard all day.

Me too. Discussions don't amount to much when most of the board can't view the game. More the merrier.

 

[saddles]

But is an not up to speed Perez better than what we may be rolling out in the 4th and 5th this year? Not sure how long it will take to get his arm strength back. He will need to spend some time in the minors rehabbing.

I would expect he would be doing that in the latter part of May and June. I think they will make room for Martin in the rotation when he is healthy enough to pitch here. Getting his head and his arm right in the second half of this season will do wonders for his effectiveness next year. I think his ability to get his head right will be the biggest difference between his rehab and Feliz's. I would be very surprised if once he puts together a couple of good outings in the minors if they don't bring him up here soon thereafter unless he is putting together good outings in the minors in early June.

 

[DT LUNA]

But is an not up to speed Perez better than what we may be rolling out in the 4th and 5th this year? Not sure how long it will take to get his arm strength back. He will need to spend some time in the minors rehabbing.

I think Romeo has it about right. Perez will make an appearance at some time but most likely be 1st stage of his come back to the rotation. Harrison is a wild guess at best right now.

 

[romeo212000]

I do expect Perez to be in the rotation for a large part of the second half. Even though he won't be at his best, he will most likely be better than what we rolled out in either the 4th or 5th spots in the rotation last year.

Harrison on the other hand cannot be counted on, but I still wouldn't be shocked to see him make a handful of starts. Together between Matt and Martin I think it is okay to expect several starts from a combination of the two of them that would be better statistically than what we were rolling out there at the bottom of the rotation last year.

I repeat, do not count on Perez.

 

[jta4437]

I don't think Fielder has done that well hitting third. He's typically better as the scary guy hitting clean up or 5th in the order to make pitchers pitch to guys in from of him. I like Choo hitting third.

I do too, I'd like to see him be a bit more aggressive than last year when he was always trying to take pitches and get on base in the LO spot, and then just getting the David Murphy treatment anyway

 

[saddles]

I repeat, do not count on Perez.

So you would be shocked if he was added to the rotation in August?

 

[romeo212000]

So you would be shocked if he was added to the rotation in August?

I would be surprised if he was pitching every fifth day in the majors and giving quality starts.

 

[saddles]

Texas Rangers get good report on Shawn Tolleson MRI | Dallas Morning News

 

[True Rangers Fan]

So you would be shocked if he was added to the rotation in August?

In my mind I picture Colby's pre-ASG 2014... Perez will most likely be in the rotation later in the year, but he'll need to rediscover all the elements of what it takes to pitch in games again. And that may take until 2016 ST before he's 100% with all that again.

 

[saddles]

I would be surprised if he was pitching every fifth day in the majors and giving quality starts.

Ah, but I never said how many quality starts I expected from him. I just said I thought what he would give us would be an improvement over what we got out of the bottom of the rotation last season. Although, I wouldn't put it past the kid to throw in a quality start every now and then.

 

[Xx srs bsns xX]

Gallardo officially named the Opening Day starter...

 

[romeo212000]

Ah, but I never said how many quality starts I expected from him. I just said I thought what he would give us would be an improvement over what we got out of the bottom of the rotation last season. Although, I wouldn't put it past the kid to throw in a quality start every now and then.

And I'm telling you, don't bet on it.

 

[saddles]

In my mind I picture Colby's pre-ASG 2014... Perez will most likely be in the rotation later in the year, but he'll need to rediscover all the elements of what it takes to pitch in games again. And that may take until 2016 ST before he's 100% with all that again.

I think he will be closer to Colby's post-ASG 2014 performances. Colby was pretty bad pre-ASG last year. I don't think the kid will have an ERA north of 6.00 like Colby did at the break last year. He probably won't have the 3.86 Colby put up post-ASG, but it should be closer to that than 6.00.

 

[Windingmywatch]

I don't think Fielder has done that well hitting third. He's typically better as the scary guy hitting clean up or 5th in the order to make pitchers pitch to guys in from of him. I like Choo hitting third.

Prince Career
Batting 3rd: 638AB -- .245/.338/.458/.796
Batting 4th: 3846AB -- .290/.400/.535/.935
Batting 5th: 295AB -- .268/.329/.485/.814

Choo Career
Batting 1st: 1306AB -- .287/.398/.456/.854
Batting 3rd: 1120AB -- .274/.368/.430/.799

I think you can see TEX thinking that Choo with Martin on the roster and in the lineup is better moved to batting third moving Prince to either cleanup or to bat behind Beltre. With Martin and Elvis supplying higher OBP in the 1 and 2 spots... I think a Choo-Beltre-Prince middle of the batting order should be quite fearsome.

 

[Bmurph]

Texas Rangers get good report on Shawn Tolleson MRI | Dallas Morning News

Good news is always nice

 

[saddles]

And I'm telling you, don't bet on it.

Well, I am not a betting man, but if I was I would certainly bet that Perez will put up numbers in August and September that will be better than what we got last year from guys like Saunders, Mikolas, Scheppers, Ross, Williams, and Irwin.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

I think he will be closer to Colby's post-ASG 2014 performances. Colby was pretty bad pre-ASG last year. I don't think the kid will have an ERA north of 6.00 like Colby did at the break last year. He probably won't have the 3.86 Colby put up post-ASG, but it should be closer to that than 6.00.

What I meant was that Colby wasn't fully Colby until everything came back together, and that took a couple of months. Perez will need the same amount of action before he is back to full Perez capabilities, and there might not be enough time left in the season this year for him to get that work in.

There will be some rough Perez starts mixed in if and when he returns to the mound.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

this season, I forgot to add at the tail end of that.

 

[jta4437]

Prince Career
Batting 3rd: 638AB -- .245/.338/.458/.796
Batting 4th: 3846AB -- .290/.400/.535/.935
Batting 5th: 295AB -- .268/.329/.485/.814

Choo Career
Batting 1st: 1306AB -- .287/.398/.456/.854
Batting 3rd: 1120AB -- .274/.368/.430/.799

I think you can see TEX thinking that Choo with Martin on the roster and in the lineup is better moved to batting third moving Prince to either cleanup or to bat behind Beltre. With Martin and Elvis supplying higher OBP in the 1 and 2 spots... I think a Choo-Beltre-Prince middle of the batting order should be quite fearsome.

Might as well look at the total picture here, Adrian Beltre (Career)
Batting 3rd: 928PA -- .277/.319/.449/.768
Batting 4th: 3242PA -- .305/.359/.519/.878
Batting 5th: 1774PA -- .273/.324/.482/.806

 

[Windingmywatch]

Might as well look at the total picture here, Adrian Beltre (Career)
Batting 3rd: 928PA -- .277/.319/.449/.768
Batting 4th: 3242PA -- .305/.359/.519/.878
Batting 5th: 1774PA -- .273/.324/.482/.806

Thanks ... I thought about including Beltre's numbers but figured there was no thought of moving him out of cleanup ... and his numbers are better than Prince in that spot.

If we can put 2014 aside ... the idea of Cho - Beltre - Fielder ought to be frightening for opposition pitchers.

Next question ... who protects Fielder?