Game Thread- Patriots at Broncos

[iknowftbll]

CD a homer? How long did it take to get him behind Siemian? And people are calling him a homer? People are amusing.

 

[iknowftbll]

Well there are rumors circulating that Kubiak could retire after this season. If that happens then yeah there could be some huge changes among the coaches. At least for me my #1 coach I would love to see walk through the door is Kyle Shanahan. That Atlanta offense has really taken off with him this year and a bit part of that being the OL opening things up in the run game. They run a similar scheme to the Broncos but from what I understand a much more updated version. Shanahan has realized that the old ZBS just doesn't function well with the new rules so has gone to a more gap style blocking scheme especially on the back side of the play to help keep opening up the cut back lanes.

Honestly looking forward to see what Elway all does this off season. Very pivotal time for this organization of either having one down year and bouncing back to among the elite or falling back to the crowd even more.

If the Kubiak rumors are true I am in complete agreement with Kyle Shanahan being the best pick. But we would still need a legit OC. One that can execute Shanahan's scheme. But that's all I'll say for now. Seems everyone is down and conceding the season and I'll admit it seems a long shot from where we sit now but until they're officially eliminated I'll reserve hope and expectation the team will make the playoffs. I recall being 8-6 in 2004 and coming off a 45-17 drubbing by the Chiefs that knocked the Broncos out of the 6 seed and into the thick of bubble teams all jostling for the playoffs. The narrative was the Broncos were done. Two weeks later it was 10-6 and in the playoffs (for an ugly beating by the Colts) but my point remains: 2 weeks is a long time in the NFL and a lot can change.

 

[cdumler7]

If the Kubiak rumors are true I am in complete agreement with Kyle Shanahan being the best pick. But we would still need a legit OC. One that can execute Shanahan's scheme. But that's all I'll say for now. Seems everyone is down and conceding the season and I'll admit it seems a long shot from where we sit now but until they're officially eliminated I'll reserve hope and expectation the team will make the playoffs. I recall being 8-6 in 2004 and coming off a 45-17 drubbing by the Chiefs that knocked the Broncos out of the 6 seed and into the thick of bubble teams all jostling for the playoffs. The narrative was the Broncos were done. Two weeks later it was 10-6 and in the playoffs (for an ugly beating by the Colts) but my point remains: 2 weeks is a long time in the NFL and a lot can change.

Not disagreeing. My main point though is even if we do make the playoffs I think some decent changes on the Offensive side of the ball are coming. And I would say it will be much more in the coaching department than actual player department. Can't just keep changing our entire OL year after year and hoping for better results.

As for OC I'm actually hoping Gregg Knapp would get a look that is on our staff. Kubiak said that he is the one calling the plays when the team goes into hurry up. Well this entire season the only time this offense has been consistently successful is when we go more to the hurry up usually because we have no other choice. I like his creativity a bit more and think he could do well paired with Shanahan.

 

[cdumler7]

Oh wait I forgot I don't see any problem with our offense because I am a homer so never mind no changes needed.

 

[iknowftbll]

Not disagreeing. My main point though is even if we do make the playoffs I think some decent changes on the Offensive side of the ball are coming. And I would say it will be much more in the coaching department than actual player department. Can't just keep changing our entire OL year after year and hoping for better results.

As for OC I'm actually hoping Gregg Knapp would get a look that is on our staff. Kubiak said that he is the one calling the plays when the team goes into hurry up. Well this entire season the only time this offense has been consistently successful is when we go more to the hurry up usually because we have no other choice. I like his creativity a bit more and think he could do well paired with Shanahan.

I agree about the O-line. You can't overhaul it every year. This is why I've resigned myself to managing expectations for next year. I'm not expecting a rebirth of the late 90s unit. I'm hoping for marginal improvement on the current unit. And honestly I think that's reasonable even with the same personnel group.

Let's say the rumors about Kubiak are false. Year 3 of Kubiak's tenure would be the first where he did not have to see massive change from one season to the next. Year 1 was a complete overhaul of the system and year 2 was 4/5 new O-linemen and a 2nd year 7th round pick replacing one of the greatest QBs of all time. That much turbulence can really undermine a solid roster. But if in 2017 there are marginal improvements: say make an upgrade to one of the O-line positions and give Siemian the entire off season as the anointed starter, coach up Booker (disappointing rookie year but that doesn't mean he's not a legit option going forward) and hopefully have Anderson back this offense can be a decent unit. Let's let it develop and see what we've got. I believe our chances for success are better exploited going that route than overhauling the entire thing in 2017 because it didn't work in 2016.

We are sure to have more really interesting talk around here this off season.

 

[cdumler7]

I do apologize if it sounds like I am a bit short today. Good friend passed away last night and going off little sleep. Probably not the best state of mind to be trying to respond to people.

 

[iknowftbll]

I do apologize if it sounds like I am a bit short today. Good friend passed away last night and going off little sleep. Probably not the best state of mind to be trying to respond to people.

Sorry for the loss of your friend.

 

[cdumler7]

I agree about the O-line. You can't overhaul it every year. This is why I've resigned myself to managing expectations for next year. I'm not expecting a rebirth of the late 90s unit. I'm hoping for marginal improvement on that unit. And honestly I think that's reasonable even with the same personnel group.

Let's say the rumors about Kubiak are false. Year 3 of Kubiak's tenure would be the first where he did not have to see massive change from one season to the next. Year 1 was a complete overhaul of the system and year 2 was 4/5 new O-linemen and a 2nd year 7th round pick replacing one of the greatest QBs of all time. That much turbulence can really undermine a solid roster. But if in 2017 there are marginal improvements: say make an upgrade to one of the O-line positions and give Siemian the entire off season as the anointed starter, coach up Booker (disappointing rookie year but that doesn't mean he's not a legit option going forward) and hopefully have Anderson back this offense can be a decent unit. Let's let it develop and see what we've got. I believe our chances for success are better exploited going that route than overhauling the entire thing in 2017 because it didn't work in 2016.

We are sure to have more really interesting talk around here this off season.

Well I look at it as always try to figure out where you are set first then go from there...

1) We know the WR position with DT and Sanders is set for the next few years. More a position of depth being the big issue. Usually if it is more of a depth issue I look at the draft to help out.

2) I do think Derby is a keeper at the TE position just again needing more depth/2nd starter. Deep TE draft so again that is where I look for help.

3) On the OL Paradis has more than proven himself to be a quality starter. Garcia has been about as up and down this year as it gets but I wonder if some of that is being a first time starter. If nothing else he is a good Run Blocker so if we want to get the run game going I do think he is fine at the LG position moving forward and the hopes that he can grow in this system. Okung as I said earlier we are averaging nearly 5 yards a carry running behind him. If we pick up his option years of the deal I don't think that is the worst thing ever. I also think his pass blocking and all of the OL pass blocking improves if the run game takes off. So to me if I am making changes on this OL it is to the right side. I am bringing in a decent FA signing. Billy Wagner might get away from the Ravens and has done a decent job at the RT spot in Kubiak's style scheme. And again I am using high draft capital to bring in a couple of guys. I would say since we have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds of the draft at least 2 of them should go to the OL to add competition and depth.

4) At the RB position Anderson is definitely starter quality. Booker has had a rough year for sure but not ready to fully give up on him. Again draft is where I go to add depth to the position.

5) QB--At this point we are going to ride with Siemian and Lynch and just hope they continue to develop. This is the tough spot as no quality QB's really on the market (I don't consider Rom with all of his injuries a quality signing especially for the price it will take). Siemian has done decent this year and I think with a good run game could do plenty to help this team get back on track. Lynch if he becomes what I think he can become then we could actually have an explosive (at times streaky) offense. His athleticism would be something teams would struggle to plan for.

So again overall for this offense I'm with you of not wanting to fully overhaul everything. I would rather look at the coaching staff more so than many of the players.

 

[cdumler7]

Sorry for the loss of your friend.

Appreciate it. He's been fighting for years and has been wanting to go for a while so I"m actually happy for him just tough to see a good friend go.

 

[Broncosr0k]

I wasn't crying, those were tears of joy

Tears of joy over Ward slamming a pats player? Sure, makes sense.

 

[CEH]

Joe thomas LT
Kevin zieter G
Alex Gibbs coaching
Mccathery pr/kr/3rd wr/rb
Plenty of other drafts picks

How about that for Solution
I assume some draft capital for Thomas

 

[Draft Crazy]

With how bad we suck at developing young OL I am all for giving up a high pick for Joe Thomas.

Add Zeitler...

Not sure we can add both of those guys, but would be nice.

Draft John Ross in round 1 (somehow), fills our slot, KR/PR duties.

Sounds good to me CEH.

 

[cdumler7]

With how bad we suck at developing young OL I am all for giving up a high pick for Joe Thomas.

Add Zeitler...

Not sure we can add both of those guys, but would be nice.

Draft John Ross in round 1 (somehow), fills our slot, KR/PR duties.

Sounds good to me CEH.

This is again where I think more so than players it could be coaches that are needed most. We've seen Seattle start out terrible most years on the OL and by the end of the year see good improvement among the group. We've seen with the Patriots and Falcons that more so than player changes the OL coaches coming in made a vast difference. Here in Denver that is what I have hoped to obviously see is improvement as the year goes along and development of the young players. Well so far that just hasn't been the case. What we start with honestly sometimes has been better than what we end with for the year. That to me falls more on coaching than player talent level.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Yeah- Something isn't right. Either they aren't doing their job developing or someone isn't doing their job evaluating in terms of what should be brought in here.

 

[Broncosr0k]

Joe thomas LT
Kevin zieter G
Alex Gibbs coaching
Mccathery pr/kr/3rd wr/rb
Plenty of other drafts picks

How about that for Solution
I assume some draft capital for Thomas

Calm down Crash

 

[CEH]

Calm down Crash

For his discipline and kick your ass attitude.
pats fan wanted us to find our own Scar so there it is

 

[MileHigh64]

Not that I want to agree with a Patriots fan but you are correct. CD is the ultimate homer that thinks the Broncos can do no wrong and all it takes is one guy or one coach. The o line except Paridis is a joke. I told CD numerous time that Stephenson and Okung weren't going to help and he always came up with the injury excuse or need more time to gell. Well there is no time left. The run defense is a problem as well. Losing Jackson hurt more then others will agree. Hell CD still thinks Montee Ball is good. No matter how many times Ive told him that I have seen Ball in every one of his college games living in Wisconsin. I knew the guy was trouble as well but CD would have none of that. CD means well but isn't ever one to admit he was wrong and is the ultimate homer. He is good for information about the Broncos and is a great asset to this Broncos message board but he needs to take off the orange and blue glasses every now and then. I'm no Manning or Brady fan but if CD thinks that T.S. or Lynch will ever produce at there levels then I can't even defend that. Peace.

I wouldn't call cd the ultimate homer. I would call him a passionate Broncos fan with a favorable nod for his team from time to time. Speaking for myself, I read all of his posts and learn something every time. He's knowledgeable and detail oriented. Everyone on these boards has a personal leaning. Some are optimists and some are not. Nothing wrong with that but I celebrate all perspectives. Cdumler is an awesome representative of the Broncos fanbase and there aint nothin' wrong with that! Go Broncos!

 

[Dr Cyanide 28]

With how bad we suck at developing young OL I am all for giving up a high pick for Joe Thomas.

Add Zeitler...

Not sure we can add both of those guys, but would be nice.

Draft John Ross in round 1 (somehow), fills our slot, KR/PR duties.

Sounds good to me CEH.

calm your tits bruh lol

 

[CEH]

Two of our losses were execution issues on simple plays Tenn and KC
One win was executing the blocked kick NO
One win was the other team not executing an FG CAR
I'm not sure yet what we have at QB
On third and 1 Sieman sacked for a 15 yard loss. I have real concerns about his football
IQ when this happens
Okung and paradis may be the only OLineman of NFL quality

 

[MileHigh64]

Two of our losses were execution issues on simple plays Tenn and KC
One win was executing the blocked kick NO
One win was the other team not executing an FG CAR
I'm not sure yet what we have at QB
On third and 1 Sieman sacked for a 15 yard loss. I have real concerns about his football
IQ when this happens
Okung and paradis may be the only OLineman of NFL quality

Not winning the close games like we did last year.
O-line is a hot mess
Agree about QB. Tough to say what we've got. If the Broncos lose in KC, will Paxton start against Oakland?
Frustrating year overall. Seems like there are 2 or 3 plays a game that could easily have changed the outcome.