Joey Bosa...not signed, which side do you fall?

[SteelersPride]

at this point hes gonna be a bust to me, missing time, missing reps, stupid shit get in there n play

 

[HaroldSeattle]

at this point hes gonna be a bust to me, missing time, missing reps, stupid shit get in there n play

Yeah he's hurting himself ( or the Chatgers are) by missing time. Still I figure the time to fight for what a player wants is before you sign a contract, not after. So I don't blame him for this contract negotiation, do it now, then after he signs come in work hard.

 

[SteelersPride]

I do when he's the only one complaining over this crap

 

[ATL96Steeler]

He is not sweating anything. He is working out and whether he plays for SD or goes back to the draft he will get paid.

I here ya.

Trust me, if Bosa is the player u Buckeyes think he is (not hating, but admittedly...I'm not real sure what he will be as pro)...he wants to be on the field playing...not working out.

Secondly...SD looks bad here too, but imo he'd be a fool to sit out the whole year over this. I hope he does get paid, this year. I'm curious to see what he will do as a pro.

If he does sit out the year, I don't think he'd get 3rd overall. Teams that high in the draft will be leery of Condon and or Bosa, but he still should be a top 10 pick. That said, he'd lose out on this year's salary and some draft slots. That doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I'm totally with the player on this one. Since the new CBA, no 3rd overall pick's contract has had both offset language and a deferred payout. If SD wasn't prepared to give out the same sort of deal the previous 3rd overall picks have gotten, then they should have traded down or passed on their pick.

Here, the team wants to "win"--this is the way we've always done it, and we don't care how other teams have done in the past. That kind of nit-picking, self-centered crap is exactly why Manning refused to play for them (it's hard to make Eli look smart, but SD has done it). If I was Bosa, I wouldn't accept it either.

If SD truly will not budge...is it worth it for Boas to reenter the draft next year? The other side of the coin--is this little squabble worth wasting the 3rd overall pick?

Good post...but to answer the re-enter question...imo, no.

As bad as SD looks here, there are GMs that think the player and agent are silly to leave $17 mil on the table because they're deferring it. The offset is protection for the team, it you get sliced within 4 yrs, most likely you didn't earn the money anyway.

I think he'd drop into the top 8-10 in the '17 draft. Maybe lower.

 

[ellupo]

I here ya.

Trust me, if Bosa is the player u Buckeyes think he is (not hating, but admittedly...I'm not real sure what he will be as pro)...he wants to be on the field playing...not working out.

Secondly...SD looks bad here too, but imo he'd be a fool to sit out the whole year over this. I hope he does get paid, this year. I'm curious to see what he will do as a pro.

If he does sit out the year, I don't think he'd get 3rd overall. Teams that high in the draft will be leery of Condon and or Bosa, but he still should be a top 10 pick. That said, he'd lose out on this year's salary and some draft slots. That doesn't make much sense to me.

Its a tough call. For me I would take the money, play and then leave once the contract is over. Im not exactly sure what his reasons are for the hold out but they must be enough for him to hold out like this. Better now than to hate signing something and have that eating at you the entire time you are in SD.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Its a tough call. For me I would take the money, play and then leave once the contract is over. Im not exactly sure what his reasons are for the hold out but they must be enough for him to hold out like this. Better now than to hate signing something and have that eating at you the entire time you are in SD.

Bosa is a 22-23 y/o young man...he doesn't really know what's going on...just listening to his agent, Tom Condon who is known as a hard ass within the NFL GM circles. He's got a top 3 client and he's trying to force the Chargers to go as other teams with the 3rd pick have done...essentially he's trying to do his job, but at a certain point he starts to hurt his own client.

Nobody has much good to say about Spanos as an NFL owner. But Rivers probably could've gone to 3 or 4 other teams and finished out his career...he chose to stay...making plenty of cash, 78 degs year round, beach, babes...a lot worst NFL cities to be in than SD.

 

[Davis_Mike]

At this point, it's kinda silly that Bosa hasn't signed. If the reports are true that he is okay with either having offset language or delayed signing bonus, but not both, he would be silly to re-enter the draft.

Lets look at this logically. If he signs now, his contract will be $25,873,685 with a $17,017,226 signing bonus. Even with a delayed signing bonus, by the time the 2017 draft rolls around, Bosa would have made $17.5 mil. If he re-enters the draft, he likely falls out of the top 10. Lets say he goes #11, his total contract would be a little north of $14,177,661.

My math may be rusty, but by my calculations, the bird in the hand $17.5 mil he would make just for 2016 is greater than the total value of the contract he would get for re-entering the draft. So he loses year of his career & $10+ mil because he is making precedent setting principle stand?

Am I missing something?

 

[ATL96Steeler]

At this point, it's kinda silly that Bosa hasn't signed. If the reports are true that he is okay with either having offset language or delayed signing bonus, but not both, he would be silly to re-enter the draft.

Lets look at this logically. If he signs now, his contract will be $25,873,685 with a $17,017,226 signing bonus. Even with a delayed signing bonus, by the time the 2017 draft rolls around, Bosa would have made $17.5 mil. If he re-enters the draft, he likely falls out of the top 10. Lets say he goes #11, his total contract would be a little north of $14,177,661.

My math may be rusty, but by my calculations, the bird in the hand $17.5 mil he would make just for 2016 is greater than the total value of the contract he would get for re-entering the draft. So he loses year of his career & $10+ mil because he is making precedent setting principle stand?

Am I missing something?

$10 mil that he'll never recoup.

I've seen a pro Bosa post state why would he accept a deal that no other 3rd pick in the new CBA era has accepted? Or something to that effect. Well...for starters, the '16 3rd pick is probably making more than any other 3rd rd pick since the new CBA...secondly, IDK how many 3rd overall picks were cut before their rookie season was up, but the one that comes to mind...Trent Richardson was a colossal bust.

 

[Broncos6482]

At this point, it's kinda silly that Bosa hasn't signed. If the reports are true that he is okay with either having offset language or delayed signing bonus, but not both, he would be silly to re-enter the draft.

Lets look at this logically. If he signs now, his contract will be $25,873,685 with a $17,017,226 signing bonus. Even with a delayed signing bonus, by the time the 2017 draft rolls around, Bosa would have made $17.5 mil. If he re-enters the draft, he likely falls out of the top 10. Lets say he goes #11, his total contract would be a little north of $14,177,661.

My math may be rusty, but by my calculations, the bird in the hand $17.5 mil he would make just for 2016 is greater than the total value of the contract he would get for re-entering the draft. So he loses year of his career & $10+ mil because he is making precedent setting principle stand?

Am I missing something?

I think you make really good points, and if Bosa wants more money he should definitely sign.

However, the Chargers really are screwing him over and basically giving him the worst deal of any top 5 pick since the new cba in 2011. So I also understand on principle why he wouldn't sign, even if it meant losing out on money.

Regardless, I think the Chargers come off looking the absolute worst in this situation. If you don't want to pony up the same as every other top 5 pick in the last 6 years, trade down. Combine this with the Weddle situation last year and I can't imagine the Chargers being a very attractive destination for players, which could really hurt them in the long run.

 

[Davis_Mike]

I think you make really good points, and if Bosa wants more money he should definitely sign.

However, the Chargers really are screwing him over and basically giving him the worst deal of any top 5 pick since the new cba in 2011. So I also understand on principle why he wouldn't sign, even if it meant losing out on money.

Regardless, I think the Chargers come off looking the absolute worst in this situation. If you don't want to pony up the same as every other top 5 pick in the last 6 years, trade down. Combine this with the Weddle situation last year and I can't imagine the Chargers being a very attractive destination for players, which could really hurt them in the long run.

The Chargers aren't really screwing him over. He is going to get his money. This idea that because he is the #3 pick he shouldn't sign a contract that is set up like most or many other first round picks, is silly. The value of the contract is the same.

But oh no, he's a top 5 pick, so he can't have that rather inconsequential language, which protects the team that drafted him, in his contract.

 

[ellupo]

The Chargers aren't really screwing him over. He is going to get his money. This idea that because he is the #3 pick he shouldn't sign a contract that is set up like most or many other first round picks, is silly. The value of the contract is the same.

But oh no, he's a top 5 pick, so he can't have that rather inconsequential language, which protects the team that drafted him, in his contract.

Why shouldnt the contract protect him? The team wants protection, shouldnt the player? If he gets a career ending injury in camp, he is out big. The team is out yes, but some money which to them is not nearly as life changing as to the player.

 

[Davis_Mike]

By the way, take a look at 2013 #3 pick Dion Jordan's contract. He has the bulk of years 2, 3, & 4 salaries paid out as roster bonuses each year. That is worse than what the Chargers are asking.

 

[Davis_Mike]

Why shouldnt the contract protect him? The team wants protection, shouldnt the player? If he gets a career ending injury in camp, he is out big. The team is out yes, but some money which to them is not nearly as life changing as to the player.

How isn't the contract protecting him? The offset language doesn't keep him from getting paid, it just means that the charges only pay the difference in contract value if he is cut & signs with another team. It just keeps a player from double dipping.

The bulk of his contract is being paid out with the signing bonus.

 

[ellupo]

How isn't the contract protecting him? The offset language doesn't keep him from getting paid, it just means that the charges only pay the difference in contract value if he is cut & signs with another team. It just keeps a player from double dipping.

The bulk of his contract is being paid out with the signing bonus.

Does he get the remainder of the contract if he is injured?

 

[Davis_Mike]

Does he get the remainder of the contract if he is injured?

I don't know & that has nothing to do with offset language.

 

[cdumler7]

Who was the last rookie who earned their keep the first year?

Not a sarcastic question. Asking you guys is always more fun than google.

Well this past year compared to what he would make on the open market I would say Marcus Peters outplayed his contract. Most likely on the open market he is making something like $12 million a year if not a bit more because of being so young. Ronald Darby was another rookie that dominated most of the season. Tyler Lockett I would bet gets much more on the open market than his rookie contract. I could list plenty more but yeah this happens every year where some rookies out perform their contracts.

 

[RavensNation2158]

Does he get the remainder of the contract if he is injured?

Can he not survive on the $17 mil? Plus, he is college educated so he has some type of back-up plan. He can still live a nice life with or without the rest of the contract money if the situation arises.

 

[ellupo]

I don't know & that has nothing to do with offset language.

It has everything to do with not getting all of the money up front.

 

[ellupo]

Can he not survive on the $17 mil? Plus, he is college educated so he has some type of back-up plan. He can still live a nice life with or without the rest of the contract money if the situation arises.

Why survive on 17 when you can survive on more?