Flecther Cox gets paid

[PhoenixEagles1]

OK, how many players are on NFL rosters vs. MLB. How many home games are played in each.
I can see some teams definitely out spending others, just noto 6 times more.
I can already see this turning into another never ending argument, but I just think you pulled that 6 times number out of thin air.

The Yankees and Dodgers have 6 times the payroll as the Diamondbacks and Brewers right now... But your saying its inconceivable that would happen in football. Why? Its happening in baseball right now.

I can see about 2 or 3 team fans wanting no cap. They know their team is many many many time richer than the Packers and the Bills. You guys are salivating at the idea of buying titles and completely elimanting 20 teams chances of even being competitive.

 

[jarntt]

This.. I hope that the Eagles will have the same success? Chip put us back 2-3 years imo. We shall see.

In the NFC East anything can happen this year

 

[jarntt]

As much as Paul Allen loves his Blazers, he knows without a cap he has a better chance of winning a title with the Seahawks. I think he would fork out the money for the proper player needed.

All this talk of Allen and his money and how he'd rip it up without a cap. Didn't he buy the Mariners and the not spend a penny for years? I'm not sure he'd just go out and buy a championship if the cap went away

 

[jarntt]

Weren't the Packers competitive before the salary cap was around?

The man makes a good point

 

[jarntt]

What? Guys wouldnt want to go to a team where they make 4, 5, 6 times as much? Thats ridiculous. I'll stay with the Packers for 7 million because I dont want to make 50 million with Seattle. Come on.
It has been their way to be cost efficient. That goes away once there is no cap.

And guarantee yourself late draft picks every year and be forced to keep spending to bring in FAs while a team that doesn't spend can have a bad string of seasons and grab like 4 top 5 draft picks in a row and put decent players around that and still win. It Could be like putting an Andrew Luck type prospect up against a Brock type FA signing because a team just wanted a QB and there was no cap so they give Brock $30M per year. No team is a bottomless pit of money. Even the richest owners aren't going raise their payroll to a point where they are throwing away $100M every year.

Spending more will obviously increase your chances I'm not doubting that, but there are no guarantees. Didn't the Marlins or someone win or at least make a World Series with some crazy low payroll?

 

[jarntt]

Why is 6 times a reach. ARod made more then entire rosters. That's like 25 times the amount. 6 is conservative.

Again, what interests you in making a 32 team league to a 3 or 4 team league? Dynasties are still possible if built perfectly. In your world it will go from a dynasty built perfectly into a dynasty that was just bought.

What does Aaron Rodgers make, about $20M per year? So some team is going to give him $120M per year for 6 years or so???

 

[SonnyCID]

All this talk of Allen and his money and how he'd rip it up without a cap. Didn't he buy the Mariners and the not spend a penny for years? I'm not sure he'd just go out and buy a championship if the cap went away

No, I wish.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

All this talk of Allen and his money and how he'd rip it up without a cap. Didn't he buy the Mariners and the not spend a penny for years? I'm not sure he'd just go out and buy a championship if the cap went away

No, Nintendo people owned the Mariners. Now they have new owners so I guess we'll see what happens come off season if they spend some coin. I think people are misguided if they think Paul Allen would go spend crazy in an uncap NFL. I don't think the FO would allow it to happen if the player doesn't fit into their system.

 

[Manster7588]

The Yankees and Dodgers have 6 times the payroll as the Diamondbacks and Brewers right now... But your saying its inconceivable that would happen in football. Why? Its happening in baseball right now.

I can see about 2 or 3 team fans wanting no cap. They know their team is many many many time richer than the Packers and the Bills. You guys are salivating at the idea of buying titles and completely elimanting 20 teams chances of even being competitive.

I don't know why you insist on bringing baseball salaries into the discussion when the team structures are nowhere alike.

Oh by the way in 1992 the highest paid team was the 49ers at $34,350,000 the lowest was the Steelers at $17,570,000. That's no where near 6 times the money, if the cap was lifted I going to say the difference would be a lot closer to what it was post cap.

 

[Hank Kingsley]

They have to honour contracts UNLESS they cut the guy.

Think about that for a moment.

C'mon Hank.

Sometimes I think you've gotta' be trolling with shit like this.

CUTTING THE GUY MEANS THEY'RE NOT HONORING THE CONTRACT!!!!

Performance is everything. Go for those Fletcher Cox guarantees....

Brady willingly takes "cuts" or "restructures". Way beyond a hometown discount.

 

[Hank Kingsley]

Hey maybe you should look up who A-rod is.

Who?

Long time since I cared about anything baseball.

 

[chf]

I don't know why you insist on bringing baseball salaries into the discussion when the team structures are nowhere alike.

Oh by the way in 1992 the highest paid team was the 49ers at $34,350,000 the lowest was the Steelers at $17,570,000. That's no where near 6 times the money, if the cap was lifted I going to say the difference would be a lot closer to what it was post cap.

Why would the whole roster be 6x higher??? I agree with you saying he's being a bit over-dramatic, but you don't have to make up what he's saying...

 

[chf]

Performance is everything. Go for those Fletcher Cox guarantees....

Brady willingly takes "cuts" or "restructures". Way beyond a hometown discount.

What does that reply have to do with my post?

 

[Manster7588]

Why would the whole roster be 6x higher??? I agree with you saying he's being a bit over-dramatic, but you don't have to make up what he's saying...

Well if just one or two players make boat loads more the no cap won't be a major issue, and he keeps bringing up ARods contract where he made more other complete teams. I don't see where I'm making anything up, he is with assalmanac numbers.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

I don't know why you insist on bringing baseball salaries into the discussion when the team structures are nowhere alike.

Oh by the way in 1992 the highest paid team was the 49ers at $34,350,000 the lowest was the Steelers at $17,570,000. That's no where near 6 times the money, if the cap was lifted I going to say the difference would be a lot closer to what it was post cap.

That was 25 years ago when there want true FA and the NFL revenues were about a tenth of what it is these days.

 

[chf]

Well if just one or two players make boat loads more the no cap won't be a major issue, and he keeps bringing up ARods contract where he made more other complete teams. I don't see where I'm making anything up, he is with assalmanac numbers.

He's saying individual players can get monster contracts that are worth more than entire OTHER TEAMS. Not sure what's hard about that? So Dallas and the 9ers and Redskins get in a 3 way bidding battle for Luck, and Jerry in a capless world refuses to be outbid by Snyder so he gives Luck 50 million a year (after Snyder outbids SF with a 45 million dollar offer).

So yeah, it's not all that realistic to think that a team would offer Luck 120 million per year (6 times the top salaries now), but if Jerry figures that Luck is going to bring 50+ per season in ratings and merch, then why not go crazy?

The reason that his 6x figure is too high? Not because owners are smart, it's because of 16 games/season vs 162 games/season.

Less local contract TV money.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

What does Aaron Rodgers make, about $20M per year? So some team is going to give him $120M per year for 6 years or so???

I could see him making a lot more in FA in an uncapped NFL. I could see a team being able to afford 6 times as much as Green Bay. You are acting like that's an impossibility when its going on right now, this minute in baseball. Teams have pay rolls 6 times higher then other teams.

I do find it interesting that the only fan base interested in an uncapped NFL coincidentally being the most valuable team. Everyone knows Jerry would buy a dynasty in a heart beat. It would absolutely suck... Just like baseball sucks.

 

[Manster7588]

That was 25 years ago when there want true FA and the NFL revenues were about a tenth of what it is these days.

And all the teams revenues went up not just 5 or 5l6 teams, besides as long as revenue sharing is I'm place all teams will be on equal footing. Oh by the way the cap didn't just limit a few teams, some teams were forced to spend more to be above the cap floor, because their owners refused to even attempt to build a winning team. I'm am nor really against the cap, but it does keep owners who care more about the $$$ in the hunt. So yes if the cap went away it wouldn't bother me, but I'm not calling for its end either. My argument is against your 6 timea more money stance. If the rosters were smaller you'd have a point, but not 53 men plus injury replacements. It ain't happening.

 

[Manster7588]

He's saying individual players can get monster contracts that are worth more than entire OTHER TEAMS. Not sure what's hard about that? So Dallas and the 9ers and Redskins get in a 3 way bidding battle for Luck, and Jerry in a capless world refuses to be outbid by Snyder so he gives Luck 50 million a year (after Snyder outbids SF with a 45 million dollar offer).

So yeah, it's not all that realistic to think that a team would offer Luck 120 million per year (6 times the top salaries now), but if Jerry figures that Luck is going to bring 50+ per season in ratings and merch, then why not go crazy?

The reason that his 6x figure is too high? Not because owners are smart, it's because of 16 games/season vs 162 games/season.

Less local contract TV money.

Well in today's NFL that would mean one guy gets NINE HUNDRED MILLION. As I just told PE1 it ain't happening.

 

[chf]

Well in today's NFL that would mean one guy gets NINE HUNDRED MILLION. As I just told PE1 it ain't happening.

Right, and I agree, he went overboard with his estimate, but the underlying truth about what he's saying (it would kill some small market teams) is on point.

And your math is as bad as his. Where in the world are you getting 900 million dollars from? It would ONLY be $858 million!

(that last part was humour btw)