Shanahan appears to be front runner for the 49ers gig

[ehb5]

Some how I doubt we will be allowed to forget that little factoid.

But comparing the two situations is like comparing the Super Bowl to the Turkey Bowl. IN 2012, alot was based off of not how well the player in question had progressed, but more about could he manage to stay healthy and progress.

MAybe its just me, but Im not overly worried about our current QB getting killed due to his style of play. Do I worry that he might regress. or that we have actually seen the best of him?? Sure. But what I dont worry about is a lack of core skill sets to run the offense. I also dont see many (if any) people saying Kirk will change the way the position is played.

So the bottom line difference is, Kirk doesnt have as much sizzle, but he damn sure does bring more meat to the table this time around.

Agreed. Just pointing out the reality of the NFL and how fleeting success can be and I think we all know that quite well. Not comparing the two teams.

 

[ehb5]

Sty, is that you? Please don't mention Matt McGloin as an option.

Oh Im sorry how was I supposed to have answered that question?

 

[ehb5]

I will add to this, even of those that are worried we MIGHT over pay Cousins.... do any of you really believe SMGM is going to sign off on a soul crushing, set your franchise back for the next seven years type of QB contract that we all fear??

I would rather be in a situation where the QB allows us to make the rest of the team better, than a situation where if the QB goes down, the team sucks whale nut. Been there, done that, and seen a couple of other examples.

I'll pass.

I agree completely and I do trust SMGM. All though to your last point I think trading Kirk for 2 firsts would do exactly what youre promoting. But to be fair this is all a silly argument anyways, SF is not offering 2 firsts and we are all in support of Kirk coming back next year.

 

[Sharkinva]

I agree completely and I do trust SMGM. All though to your last point I think trading Kirk for 2 firsts would do exactly what youre promoting. But to be fair this is all a silly argument anyways, SF is not offering 2 firsts and we are all in support of Kirk coming back next year.

HOw does trading Kirk for a pick we would likely end up using on a Rookie QB, and a pick of undetermined value in next years draft help the team move forward?? Granted it would give us the excitement factor.... maybe. We could all sit around and debate what we would do with two first round picks this year. And next year for that matter. But when I look at teams that have garnered mega hauls off of trading a player, I have to reach back to my high school days to find a team where it actually worked out in favor of the team who gave up the player. In most cases, teams end up like the Rams... a Whole lot of talk, but not much in return. The Rams would have been much better suited to keep the #2, put a line in front of Bradford, and stop trying to fast track to a Super Bowl. And we are in much better shape resigning Kirk, building a team around him and not making Draft day the best part of our season again.

 

[ehb5]

HOw does trading Kirk for a pick we would likely end up using on a Rookie QB, and a pick of undetermined value in next years draft help the team move forward?? Granted it would give us the excitement factor.... maybe. We could all sit around and debate what we would do with two first round picks this year. And next year for that matter. But when I look at teams that have garnered mega hauls off of trading a player, I have to reach back to my high school days to find a team where it actually worked out in favor of the team who gave up the player. In most cases, teams end up like the Rams... a Whole lot of talk, but not much in return. The Rams would have been much better suited to keep the #2, put a line in front of Bradford, and stop trying to fast track to a Super Bowl. And we are in much better shape resigning Kirk, building a team around him and not making Draft day the best part of our season again.

I really dont think its an excitement factor thing at all actually - quite the opposite really. But it could be helpful n building a complete team. I think we all want sustained success for this franchise. More chances for SMGM to add to this team and build a complete roster is a good thing. To not consider adding that opportunity is foolish IMO. To paint it as fast tracking a Super Bowl with headline moves is just inaccurate.

 

[Sharkinva]

I really dont think its an excitement factor thing at all actually - quite the opposite really. But it could be helpful n building a complete team. I think we all want sustained success for this franchise. More chances for SMGM to add to this team and build a complete roster is a good thing. To not consider adding that opportunity is foolish IMO. To paint it as fast tracking a Super Bowl with headline moves is just inaccurate.

The idea of trading away a QB who most right now are relatively sure is a starter, for two draft picks is nothing more than going for sizzle over steak. Yes two first rounders MIGHT make this team better. But how did getting TWO EXTRA first rounders work out for the Rams?? NOT to mention that we would STILL be looking for a QB. UNless its a team holding the #1 pick calling, I cant see a solid reason to make that deal. Especally if the best options we have to play the position are a stop gap or a rookie.

 

[ehb5]

The idea of trading away a QB who most right now are relatively sure is a starter, for two draft picks is nothing more than going for sizzle over steak. Yes two first rounders MIGHT make this team better. But how did getting TWO EXTRA first rounders work out for the Rams?? NOT to mention that we would STILL be looking for a QB. UNless its a team holding the #1 pick calling, I cant see a solid reason to make that deal. Especally if the best options we have to play the position are a stop gap or a rookie.

That's fine I get the case for not doing it. But there's a definite case for doing it too. I have no interest in debating whether or not it's worth it at this point. It's all hypothetical anyway.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Shut your dirty whore mouths. Matt McGloin is staying with the Raiders to bask in the glow of greatness from Derek Carr.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

. . The Rams would have been much better suited to keep the #2, put a line in front of Bradford, and stop trying to fast track to a Super Bowl. And we are in much better shape resigning Kirk, building a team around him and not making Draft day the best part of our season again.

How was stock piling picks "fast tracking"? You are claiming they should have kept the pick we acquired and simply used that to protect Bradford? Even considering one of the picks we gave them ended up being the 2nd overall pick too and was used on a left tackle?

 

[Sharkinva]

How was stock piling picks "fast tracking"? You are claiming they should have kept the pick we acquired and simply used that to protect Bradford? Even considering one of the picks we gave them ended up being the 2nd overall pick too and was used on a left tackle?

The Rams attempted to rebuild the team fast and loose with a large influx of talent from all those draft picks. My point being more so, how much has it actually helped them?? Or how much do you really think needing to continue to look for a QB will help this team going forward??

If we are even in a position to consider getting two 1st for Kirk, wouldnt that tell you it MIGHT be in the teams best interest to keep him considering its the one position we have spent more time energy and resources trying to fix over the past 15 years than any other?? I get that two extra first rounders over the next two years could go a long way towards addressing some of our other needs. But Im not for creating another need in an attempt to fix current needs.

 

[skinsdad62]

if a team was going to give us 2 first rounders for KC shouldnt that tell us something about KC ?

 

[ehb5]

if a team was going to give us 2 first rounders for KC shouldnt that tell us something about KC ?

No. Teams do stupid things all the time. We should make our own evaluations.

 

[skinsdad62]

No. Teams do stupid things all the time. We should make our own evaluations.

i think we have and if teams were to offer a couple of 1st rounders then that should say he has a shot at being a good qb for us

 

[ehb5]

i think we have and if teams were to offer a couple of 1st rounders then that should say he has a shot at being a good qb for us

Nobodys saying he doesnt have a shot. But Im not gonna base my opinion of him on what another team will pay for him.

 

[skinsdad62]

Nobodys saying he doesnt have a shot. But Im not gonna base my opinion of him on what another team will pay for him.

it wouldnt be the sole basis ebb that would be primitive dont you think ? it is just another piece of information

 

[skinsdad62]

my opinion on KC is he hovers right around avg

people debated me earlier in the year about this when he struggled but when he caught fire his stats across the board put him in the top ten .

the fact is i thought he was around avg at the beginning and i think he is about there now in his development

if we put some good people around him he can take us places as long as mentally he doesnt beat us

 

[redskinsfan]

my opinion on KC is he hovers right around avg

people debated me earlier in the year about this when he struggled but when he caught fire his stats across the board put him in the top ten .

the fact is i thought he was around avg at the beginning and i think he is about there now in his development

if we put some good people around him he can take us places as long as mentally he doesnt beat us

KC is above average now. He needs to improve on seeing the field better, moving in the pocket, and making off-script plays. If he can do that, he may well just start treading into Drew Brees waters.

 

[skinsdad62]

KC is above average now. He needs to improve on seeing the field better, moving in the pocket, and making off-script plays. If he can do that, he may well just start treading into Drew Brees waters.

i will need to see more of it on the field before he rates above avg significantly . right now he is very promising

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

The Rams attempted to rebuild the team fast and loose with a large influx of talent from all those draft picks. My point being more so, how much has it actually helped them?? Or how much do you really think needing to continue to look for a QB will help this team going forward??

If we are even in a position to consider getting two 1st for Kirk, wouldnt that tell you it MIGHT be in the teams best interest to keep him considering its the one position we have spent more time energy and resources trying to fix over the past 15 years than any other?? I get that two extra first rounders over the next two years could go a long way towards addressing some of our other needs. But Im not for creating another need in an attempt to fix current needs.

The Rams did what a lot of people has suggested and I'm not sure how you can describe it as fast amd loose. There is a common belief that he way to win is to build through the draft, acquire good young talent amd you can have success even witout a good QB. It showed once again how foolish this strategy is, which of course is why I was onboard with the RGIII trade up.

Here are the QBs playing last week

Brady
Rodgers
Newton
Roth
Wilson
Palmer
Peyton
Smith

See a pattern? This happens nearly every January.

 

[j_y19]

The Rams did what a lot of people has suggested and I'm not sure how you can describe it as fast amd loose. There is a common belief that he way to win is to build through the draft, acquire good young talent amd you can have success even witout a good QB. It showed once again how foolish this strategy is, which of course is why I was onboard with the RGIII trade up.

Here are the QBs playing last week

Brady
Rodgers
Newton
Roth
Wilson
Palmer
Peyton
Smith

See a pattern? This happens nearly every January.

Oh, there is definitely a pattern. Which is why those that propose we should consider trading KC if we were offered a couple first round picks are nuts. While KC may not turn out to be of the caliber listed by you above, the fact is he has shown he is capable of playing to that level. So to get rid of a QB that has a chance to be a franchise QB by evidenced through his play for a QB in the draft that has never taken an NFL snap is crazy.