Shanahan appears to be front runner for the 49ers gig

[j_y19]

A free agent stop gap or a rookie.

What??? So we set back the entire offense for two first round picks? There is no way that a rookie or a FA comes in here and leads this offense like KC did. I don't care if the Rookie is the next coming of Peyton manning. His first few years he will suck. So we waste the prime years of players like Reed and DJax and Crowder just to gain 2 1sts which we will have to turn around and use on a QB because, if you have been watching the playoffs this year, if you don't have one, you ain't going anywhere. And we appear to have one that you would consider trading away......brilliant

 

[SoCalWizFan]

What??? So we set back the entire offense for two first round picks? There is no way that a rookie or a FA comes in here and leads this offense like KC did. I don't care if the Rookie is the next coming of Peyton manning. His first few years he will suck. So we waste the prime years of players like Reed and DJax and Crowder just to gain 2 1sts which we will have to turn around and use on a QB because, if you have been watching the playoffs this year, if you don't have one, you ain't going anywhere. And we appear to have one that you would consider trading away......brilliant

Yep. For the first time in ages this team is actually built to win now. With a little good luck in the injury dept & some key additions I don't see any reason why the Redskins can't compete with any of the current playoff teams. The Packers game was also great experience to prepare them for big games next season.

You then want to turn around & put the team back into complete rebuilding mode? WTF? Makes no sense. Also - most likely a team making this type of trade will have very high 1st round picks. They are not going to offer these for just about any QB since that team likely will be in rebuild mode.

I have more faith than ever that Cousins will be on the Redskins next season most likely at the beginning of a long term deal.

 

[gkekoa]

I can't believe this is even a discussion. You don't trade two firsts for KC because over the last half of the season he played like a top five QB...actually top three.

If you were to trade him and got the number one pick, do you believe Goff is a top three QB in the NFL in his career? Realistic answer is no. You don't make that trade.

We are not in a position to win now. We are building what appears to be a consistent winner through the draft and smart free agent moves. We need to stop with the old mindset of flashy maneuvers wins football games.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I can't believe this is even a discussion. You don't trade two firsts for KC because over the last half of the season he played like a top five QB...actually top three.

If you were to trade him and got the number one pick, do you believe Goff is a top three QB in the NFL in his career? Realistic answer is no. You don't make that trade.

We are not in a position to win now. We are building what appears to be a consistent winner through the draft and smart free agent moves. We need to stop with the old mindset of flashy maneuvers wins football games.

Agree with most of this but not the last paragraph. Yes - they are in a position to build for the future for many years to come. However - I see no reason why the Redskins won't also be in a win now position next season given some luck in the injury dept.

Their biggest weaknesses were running the ball & stopping the run. That can certainly be addressed in the offseason. They have at least a half dozen quality starters who missed most of this season. Getting most of them back & building off the younger players experience will do wonders along with some key picks and FA pickups. There are really not any scary, complete teams in the NFL at this time - all have some issues.

I see no reason why the Redskins cannot win the NFC-E again next season & possibly make a deep playoff run. Is it guaranteed? Of course not, but it is certainly possible. No worries about them making flashy moves - ain't happening, but they will continue to improve the team & the results don't have to be limited to 2-3 years from now.

 

[j_y19]

I can't believe this is even a discussion. You don't trade two firsts for KC because over the last half of the season he played like a top five QB...actually top three.

If you were to trade him and got the number one pick, do you believe Goff is a top three QB in the NFL in his career? Realistic answer is no. You don't make that trade.

We are not in a position to win now. We are building what appears to be a consistent winner through the draft and smart free agent moves. We need to stop with the old mindset of flashy maneuvers wins football games.

It depends on what you are expecting to win. If it's a SB next year, I agree. But it is realistic that we should be able to compete for our division title and if we win, maybe win a playoff game. We still need another off season or 2 to make a legitimate SB run.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

gke - My bad if you are only implying that the Redskins need to stay away from big name, big $$ FA pickups. In that case I agree with you 100%

 

[SoCalWizFan]

It depends on what you are expecting to win. If it's a SB next year, I agree. But it is realistic that we should be able to compete for our division title and if we win, maybe win a playoff game. We still need another off season or 2 to make a legitimate SB run.

Given where this team has been in the last 15 years it is awesome that this debate is even taking place rt now.

 

[Sharkinva]

IF we had an option at QB that did not all but guarantee setting the team back two or more years from the point where it is now, then yes you would have to strongly consider two first round picks for Cousins. If we tag him, and some one offers him a $130 million dollar contract with $60 million guaranteed, again you would have to strongly consider plan B.

But outside of those two remote possibilities, Kirk should be resigned here, to a long term deal and we should move forward building this team into a consistent contender. We have been in FIND TH QB mode for more than 15 years at this point. We have thrown more draft picks at the position than any one really wants to have to relive. Kirk might not be the next coming of (Insert your own personal GOAT QB here), But he has shown to be a good QB who is capable of correcting his own flaws. Given time, just as with any player you expect he will develop. Now sure maybe he tapped out and is a one year wonder, and we have seen his best year already. Maybe he will regress to the Kirk of old. But reality is, we need to sign him and see what we get from him over the next two years. Most QB deals are written to have a two year test and opt out period these days. It makes no sense to put the Exclusive rights tag on him, because if he fails, we just squandered $25 million in cap space. If he succeeds, well we also just really drove up his price and Likely CANT tag him again as the Tag price for him in 2017 would then be $31.25 million.

Sign him, be done with it and build around him.

 

[ehb5]

What??? So we set back the entire offense for two first round picks? There is no way that a rookie or a FA comes in here and leads this offense like KC did. I don't care if the Rookie is the next coming of Peyton manning. His first few years he will suck. So we waste the prime years of players like Reed and DJax and Crowder just to gain 2 1sts which we will have to turn around and use on a QB because, if you have been watching the playoffs this year, if you don't have one, you ain't going anywhere. And we appear to have one that you would consider trading away......brilliant

1 I never said we should definitively do it, I said we'd be stupid to not consider. But yea maybe we should I'm not really sure.

2. 2 first round picks is a lot. That can do a lot to improve this team especially with SMGM.

3. I never said they'd lead it like he did all though to definitively say they have no chance is wrong no matter how small the chance.

4. His first few years will not definitely suck. In fact the 2 rookies this past season did just the opposite.

5. Reed, djax, and crowder aren't that likely to just fall off a cliff and be wasted.

6. The QB we have while good this season is not a sure thing. Neither are 2 first rounders but let's not act like I'm asking us to trade away aaron Rodgers.

7. You're getting very worked up about a hypothetical maybe...

 

[gkekoa]

It depends on what you are expecting to win. If it's a SB next year, I agree. But it is realistic that we should be able to compete for our division title and if we win, maybe win a playoff game. We still need another off season or 2 to make a legitimate SB run.

When people say win now, I see it as a limited window and one or two big acquisitions to put us over the hump. We are not in this position and it is a horrible position to be in. It causes people to make big mistakes with this thinking.

We are in a position to continue to build a consistent winner. We have good young talent throwing the ball, catching the ball, blocking, and defending at a couple of levels. Contract situations are easily remedied without too much magic and the coaching is young but solid.

We very well could make a SB run next season or we could be in competition for the division. All it takes is a couple of good bounces and the better team can lose.

 

[ehb5]

Yep. For the first time in ages this team is actually built to win now. With a little good luck in the injury dept & some key additions I don't see any reason why the Redskins can't compete with any of the current playoff teams. The Packers game was also great experience to prepare them for big games next season.

You then want to turn around & put the team back into complete rebuilding mode? WTF? Makes no sense. Also - most likely a team making this type of trade will have very high 1st round picks. They are not going to offer these for just about any QB since that team likely will be in rebuild mode.

I have more faith than ever that Cousins will be on the Redskins next season most likely at the beginning of a long term deal.

I dont think this team is a SB contender next year. Theyre getting there, but not there yet. And this trade is not complete rebuilding mode. Its a hypothetical step toward that SB.

And it doesnt matter where the picks are. The hypothetical was directly related to the 49ers. So we'd probably be looking at #7 and a top 15 maybe top 10 pick again next year. Its crazy to not consider it if that was offered.

I too have faith Cousins will be back. Ive had that faith for a long time. This is a purely hypothetical discussion after all.

 

[ehb5]

Given where this team has been in the last 15 years it is awesome that this debate is even taking place rt now.

Lets not forget this debate was taking place in 2012 too.

 

[skinsdad62]

well first you have to determine what are our realistic expectations for next year

here is what i think we need to prove

we beat the teams we were supposed to beat and lost to all the good teams

our next step should be keep on beating the teams we should beat and be competitive and actually beat some of the good teams we face

that is the logical next step not jumping up all the way to the NFC championship game or superbowl based on us winning a bad division

if we do the first step the second step will come

so some of our injured guys will come back and be what they were or better but some will not a strong draft here is important as well as a reasonable controlled free agency period

as for KC and trading for 2 1st round picks . that all sounds nice but what message does it send the team ? if you get drafted , do what is asked , exceed expectations , you wont get paid and you dont have a future here in DC because we are always looking for the franchise player at your position

look if KC doesnt work out then isnt he essentially the problem solving stop gap qb everyone wants to be on our team ? why would you start over when realistically the other options are journeyman has beens or untested rookies followed by guys who are less tested then KC ? i dont know where this huge gamble is coming from . to me its the safest play you have

that is where i stand

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Lets not forget this debate was taking place in 2012 too.

As I pointed out in another thread - those are two totally different situations.

In 2012 you had a number of issues and unknowns that made the idea of future success very problematic. RG3 was coming off a major injury & that had to be a red flag. He was also operating out of a gimmick offense that had a chance of not being sustainable. The Redskins also traded a lot to get him & others & therefore were lacking in draft picks. Finally - their defense for that entire season was very suspect & there did not appear to be quality replacements on the horizon.

Contrast that to the current team. There are no injury issues for the QB position not to mention the lack of drama. The defense had some issues but with several returning players & a few key pickups could be dramatically improved over this season (which was not that bad overall). They also have most of their picks & a GM who actually knows how to build a football team. Finally - you have numerous players returning from injury & a system in place that actually finds & develops talent.

I see absolutely no real comparison between the 2012 team and this team.

 

[Sharkinva]

Lets not forget this debate was taking place in 2012 too.

Some how I doubt we will be allowed to forget that little factoid.

But comparing the two situations is like comparing the Super Bowl to the Turkey Bowl. IN 2012, alot was based off of not how well the player in question had progressed, but more about could he manage to stay healthy and progress.

MAybe its just me, but Im not overly worried about our current QB getting killed due to his style of play. Do I worry that he might regress. or that we have actually seen the best of him?? Sure. But what I dont worry about is a lack of core skill sets to run the offense. I also dont see many (if any) people saying Kirk will change the way the position is played.

So the bottom line difference is, Kirk doesnt have as much sizzle, but he damn sure does bring more meat to the table this time around.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Some how I doubt we will be allowed to forget that little factoid.

But comparing the two situations is like comparing the Super Bowl to the Turkey Bowl. IN 2012, alot was based off of not how well the player in question had progressed, but more about could he manage to stay healthy and progress.

MAybe its just me, but Im not overly worried about our current QB getting killed due to his style of play. Do I worry that he might regress. or that we have actually seen the best of him?? Sure. But what I dont worry about is a lack of core skill sets to run the offense. I also dont see many (if any) people saying Kirk will change the way the position is played.

So the bottom line difference is, Kirk doesnt have as much sizzle, but he damn sure does bring more meat to the table this time around.

Yep & don't forget at the beginning of the year that many of us had very high hopes for the next few seasons even if Cousins & the other QBs were not part of the future of this team. In 2012 - it was 100% about RG3 & when he failed the team turned out to be a disaster.

Pretty simple - the difference between 2012 & now is SM.

 

[Sharkinva]

Yep & don't forget at the beginning of the year that many of us had very high hopes for the next few seasons even if Cousins & the other QBs were not part of the future of this team. In 2012 - it was 100% about RG3 & when he failed the team turned out to be a disaster.

Pretty simple - the difference between 2012 & now is SM.

I will add to this, even of those that are worried we MIGHT over pay Cousins.... do any of you really believe SMGM is going to sign off on a soul crushing, set your franchise back for the next seven years type of QB contract that we all fear??

I would rather be in a situation where the QB allows us to make the rest of the team better, than a situation where if the QB goes down, the team sucks whale nut. Been there, done that, and seen a couple of other examples.

I'll pass.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Five preposterously positive predictions for the Redskins season

For all of those stating that the Redskins will only be so good or can't do certain things next season please see the 5 WP preseason predictions in this link. Three out of five of these so-called "preposterously positive" predictions came true! Never say never in the NFL.

 

[redskinsfan]

A free agent stop gap or a rookie.

Sty, is that you? Please don't mention Matt McGloin as an option.

 

[ehb5]

As I pointed out in another thread - those are two totally different situations.

In 2012 you had a number of issues and unknowns that made the idea of future success very problematic. RG3 was coming off a major injury & that had to be a red flag. He was also operating out of a gimmick offense that had a chance of not being sustainable. The Redskins also traded a lot to get him & others & therefore were lacking in draft picks. Finally - their defense for that entire season was very suspect & there did not appear to be quality replacements on the horizon.

Contrast that to the current team. There are no injury issues for the QB position not to mention the lack of drama. The defense had some issues but with several returning players & a few key pickups could be dramatically improved over this season (which was not that bad overall). They also have most of their picks & a GM who actually knows how to build a football team. Finally - you have numerous players returning from injury & a system in place that actually finds & develops talent.

I see absolutely no real comparison between the 2012 team and this team.

Oh no doubt. I dont really think theyre very similar either. Im just saying we (and plenty of other teams) have thought they were headed in the right direction only to fall back to earth for various reasons. Like it or not its always a possibility - not that I think any of us dont already know that lol.