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Magic Johnson says lebron is the best player he has seen

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And as usual, you'd be wrong. All 4 Miami teams were the better/favored team.

Let me know if you want an avatar bet on that...I wanna control that avatar with a nice big lebron pic for u when i win
 

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Then a dynasty spurs team with hc...I doubt it

Why did u delete my post about it being cavs vs spurs in the finals with the cavs winning and lebron winning more finals mvps will be too much? This will happen save this post

The Spurs weren't a dynasty. :pound:

They'd never even appeared in back to back finals until Lebron's final 2 seasons in Miami. The 60's and 70's Celtics, the Showtime Lakers, MJ's Bulls and the 00's Lakers that Phil coached were dynasties. I'm not even convinced that the '00 Lakers qualify as a dynasty, but 7 finals trips and 5 titles in 10 years is at least dynasty adjacent.

If anything, Lebron's Miami teams were trying to be a dynasty. They went to 4 straight finals. They just couldn't get it done.

Face it. Lebron is 2-4 in the finals and should be 4-2, but he choked.
 

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He is literally better than kobe on every measurable statistic in the game from shooting, passing rebound, PER you name he is better at it

Kobe just happened to have better teams which doesn't say who is better individually but i guess that is all you have when he is worse at everything lol
No he isn't - that's the reason Kobe has 5 championships with less talent, to Lebron with only 2. Kobe is a better closer and in fact in the first second to last Olympics in China, both Kobe and Lebron deferred to Kobe for taking the final and critical shots going down the stretch. That's because Kobe was better. Kobe in his prime with Kobe was better then Lebron ever has been in his entire career
 

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And as usual, you'd be wrong. All 4 Miami teams were the better/favored team.
I would argue that in Miami, Lebron had a much better team then any of the teams Kobe won championships on. With Shaq is the Shaq and Kobe and Gasol, it was Kobe and Gasol. Both teams had good players from 1 to 12, but none of them had that third super-star like Lebron had with Bosh.
 

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The Spurs weren't a dynasty. :pound:

They'd never even appeared in back to back finals until Lebron's final 2 seasons in Miami. The 60's and 70's Celtics, the Showtime Lakers, MJ's Bulls and the 00's Lakers that Phil coached were dynasties. I'm not even convinced that the '00 Lakers qualify as a dynasty, but 7 finals trips and 5 titles in 10 years is at least dynasty adjacent.

If anything, Lebron's Miami teams were trying to be a dynasty. They went to 4 straight finals. They just couldn't get it done.

Face it. Lebron is 2-4 in the finals and should be 4-2, but he choked.

I sure liked what the Spurs did though in coming back and maintaining their composer over the Tim Duncan era - that has to be respected.
 

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No he isn't - that's the reason Kobe has 5 championships with less talent, to Lebron with only 2. Kobe is a better closer and in fact in the first second to last Olympics in China, both Kobe and Lebron deferred to Kobe for taking the final and critical shots going down the stretch. That's because Kobe was better. Kobe in his prime with Kobe was better then Lebron ever has been in his entire career

Less talent, yeah name that player better than a prime shaq, kobe wasn't even the finals mvp of his own team in any 1 year of the 3 peat lol...God u are dumb

They both have exactly the same ammount of lead dog finals mvps but if lebron wins 1 more he will have 3 to kobes 2

Lebron has a higher clutch rating and shooting % in the 4th...

:lol:
 

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Less talent, yeah name that player better than a prime shaq, kobe wasn't even the finals mvp of the team in any of the 3 peat lol...God u are dumb

They both have exactly the same ammount of lead dog finals mvps but if lebron wins 1 more he will have 3 to kobes 2

Lebron has a higher clutch rating and shooting % in the 4th...

:lol:

5 > 3
 

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Face it when you can only win 1 mvp you will never be mentioned with the greats
 

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Face it when you can only win 1 mvp you will never be mentioned with the greats

Kobe is already mentioned with greats and most rank him above Lebron among the all-time greats.

Sooo...The level of stupid in your post stands on its own.
 

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Kobe is already mentioned with greats and most rank him above Lebron among the all-time greats.

Sooo...The level of stupid in your post stands on its own.

Lol nobody ranks kobe ahead of lebron except kobe kids like yourself
 

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He may rank as the all time great chucker and only player to never shoot over .500 lol
 

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Lol nobody ranks kobe ahead of lebron except kobe kids like yourself

First off, I'm far from a Kobe Kid. Kobe is not only not my favorite player or favorite Laker. He's not even my favorite current Laker. If he were on any other team besides the Lakers, I wouldn't like him at all. I think he's pretty much a prick.

However, that doesn't change the fact that he's an all-time great, a first ballot hall of famer and is currently ranked ahead of Lebron on the all-time greats list by most people.

Do I think it will still be that way when Lebron finally retires? Probably not. But I also don't think Lebron is going to retire with as many rings as Kobe, so I'm sure it will always be a debate.
 

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He may rank as the all time great chucker and only player to never shoot over .500 lol

Really? Want a take a guess as to who is the only player in NBA history with over 30,000 points and over 6,000 assists?

Hint: It's not Lebron.
 

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LeBron's Stats (10 Years In): 27.6 PPG 7.3 RPG 6.9 APG 1.7 SPG 0.9 BPG
Kobe's Stats (10 Years In): 23.9 PPG 5.1 RPG 4.5 APG 1.5 SPG


LeBron's PER (10 Years In): 27.6
Kobe's PER (10 Years In): 23.2


LeBron's Accolades (10 Years In): 2004 Rookie of the Year, 9x All-Star, 4x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 8x All-NBA, 4x All-Defense, 1x Scoring Champion, 1x NBA Champion
Kobe's Accolades (10 Years In): 8x All-Star, 8x All-NBA, 6x All-Defense, 1x Scoring Champion, 3x NBA Champion

Other than LeBron, Kobe has brought the most comparisons to Michael Jordan. But although Kobe has won five rings, three of those were due to the force that was Shaquille O'Neal. The Diesel was like a freight train in the Lakers' three-peat, winning all three Finals MVP awards.

LeBron never had the teammates Bryant had during his first 10 years. James had Shaq when he was in Cleveland, but by then he had won his titles and was near the end of his career. Until he joined Dwyane Wadeand Chris Bosh in the infamous summer of 2010, the Chosen One's best teammates were Antawn Jamison, Mo Williams and Delonte West.

Kobe was very good throughout his first decade in the league, but he didn't start taking over until after Shaq left.

LeBron's Career Right Now vs. Best Ever
 

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LeBron's Stats (10 Years In): 27.6 PPG 7.3 RPG 6.9 APG 1.7 SPG 0.9 BPG
Kobe's Stats (10 Years In): 23.9 PPG 5.1 RPG 4.5 APG 1.5 SPG


LeBron's PER (10 Years In): 27.6
Kobe's PER (10 Years In): 23.2


LeBron's Accolades (10 Years In): 2004 Rookie of the Year, 9x All-Star, 4x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 8x All-NBA, 4x All-Defense, 1x Scoring Champion, 1x NBA Champion
Kobe's Accolades (10 Years In): 8x All-Star, 8x All-NBA, 6x All-Defense, 1x Scoring Champion, 3x NBA Champion

Other than LeBron, Kobe has brought the most comparisons to Michael Jordan. But although Kobe has won five rings, three of those were due to the force that was Shaquille O'Neal. The Diesel was like a freight train in the Lakers' three-peat, winning all three Finals MVP awards.

LeBron never had the teammates Bryant had during his first 10 years. James had Shaq when he was in Cleveland, but by then he had won his titles and was near the end of his career. Until he joined Dwyane Wadeand Chris Bosh in the infamous summer of 2010, the Chosen One's best teammates were Antawn Jamison, Mo Williams and Delonte West.

Kobe was very good throughout his first decade in the league, but he didn't start taking over until after Shaq left.

LeBron's Career Right Now vs. Best Ever

Kobe 5 rings > Lebron 2 rings
 
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