Why Are We Not Trying To Trade RG3

[Stymietee]

Which has proved to be a big mistake in most cases. In college a lot of these guys are primarily asked to run the ball & also make pretty easy downfield passes. They almost always only rely on finding the primary or secondary receiver. This is obtainable in college since the level of talent & speed doesn't even come close to that of NFL defenses.

I think this just means that NFL FOs will have to work harder to find a QB that will work well in the NFL. It is not as if they need to find that many QBs. There are only 32 teams - you would think that over a multiyear period they could find a handful that could get the job done.

All I can say to that SoCal is, at one point our team fielded 16 different starting QB's over a 16 year period and still we hunt for one that can get the job done. (For me that includes Kirk)

 

[Breed]

Are you serious? If my numbers are accurate...RG3 will make $1 mil per game in '16 with his new option.

Even Snyder doesn't piss that kind of jack away.

On the contrary my good man................

Adam Archuleta was guaranteed 10 million dollars, basically a signing bonus type thing. Started 7 games and only saw the field as a STer or extra DB sometimes LB in nickel/dime packages the last 9. Before the next season started he was traded to Chicago for a 6th round pk.

Albert Haynesworth was, well I'll let wiki break it down as their write up is accurate far as hin contract numbers with Skins.

An unrestricted free agent in the 2009 off-season, Haynesworth signed a seven-year, $100 million contract with the Washington Redskins on the first day of free agency, February 27, 2009.[22] The deal was expected to pay Haynesworth $32 million in the first 13 months,[2] included $41 million guaranteed, and could have reached $115 million if all incentives were met.[22] Tennessee’s final offer to Haynesworth reportedly amounted to a four-year package worth $34 million total, with about $20 million in guarantees.[23]Haynesworth reported on SIRIUS Blitz that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers offered him a $120 million deal that could potentially increase by 20%. He says that he took a discount to play with the Redskins because of their large fan base and media outlet, something that he also did not have in Tennessee.[24] In April 2009, the Titans asked the NFL to considertampering charges against the Redskins, claiming that the Redskins contacted Haynesworth before the free agency period began on February 27.[25]

From the beginning of his time with the Redskins, Haynesworth presented problems for the coaching staff. He refused to participate in off-season workouts, and arrived at camp in poor physical condition, unable to pass a basic fitness test.[26] He also made it clear that he did not like to play nose tackle in the team's 3–4 defensive scheme, having played in a 4–3 scheme in Tennessee.[27] After a 45–12 loss to the New York Giants on Monday Night in 2009, Haynesworth questioned the scheme of defensive coordinator Greg Blache, and stated that he could not "survive another season in this system if it stays the way it is."[28]

On December 7, 2010, it was announced that Haynesworth would spend the rest of the season on the restricted list. There had been conflicts throughout the 2010 preseason with Haynesworth and the coaching staff. After a dispute over his absence at a practice in which Haynesworth claimed to be ill, the team suspended him for "conduct detrimental to the club". Coach Mike Shanahan said the suspension followed a refusal by Haynesworth to cooperate in a variety of ways and not only because of the practice absence.[29]

During the 2010 season, Haynesworth had a career-low 13 tackles and just 2.5 sacks in 8 games, leading the NFL Network to name the signing of Haynesworth as the "worst free-agency move of last decade."[30] Many other NFL writers have gone further, calling Haynesworth the #1 worst free agent bust in NFL history.[31][32] Haynesworth created some controversy in March 2015 when he likened Ndamukong Suh's six-year, $114 million contract to his previous contract with the Redskins.[33]

All told Haynes played in 20 games total the two years he was a Redskin.

There was also The Donovan NcNabb Debacle. Traded 2 picks to Philly for him and he lasted all of 13 games as the Skins starting QB in 2010. Than he was benched for Rex Grossman, but not before signing a 78 million contract extension before being benched. All told Synder put 10 mill in Nabby's pocket and before the 2011 season rolled around. He had been traded to Minny.

Donovan McNabb's Contract: How Do Benching and $78 Million Go Together? | Bleacher Report

And finally, while he wasn't a player. Marty Schotty made out pretty well to. 12 million/4 years was the contract he signed and got it all after he was fired after one season. So that one year was basically a very, very well paid year of what you could call practice year of HCing and getting his sea legs back and in the swing of being a HC again before taking his real HC job with the Chargers.

 

[Stymietee]

On the contrary my good man................

Adam Archuleta was guaranteed 10 million dollars, basically a signing bonus type thing. Started 7 games and only saw the field as a STer or extra DB sometimes LB in nickel/dime packages the last 9. Before the next season started he was traded to Chicago for a 6th round pk.

Albert Haynesworth was, well I'll let wiki break it down as their write up is accurate far as hin contract numbers with Skins.



All told Haynes played in 20 games total the two years he was a Redskin.

There was also The Donovan NcNabb Debacle. Traded 2 picks to Philly for him and he lasted all of 13 games as the Skins starting QB in 2010. Than he was benched for Rex Grossman, but not before signing a 78 million contract extension before being benched. All told Synder put 10 mill in Nabby's pocket and before the 2011 season rolled around. He had been traded to Minny.

Donovan McNabb's Contract: How Do Benching and $78 Million Go Together? | Bleacher Report

And finally, while he wasn't a player. Marty Schotty made out pretty well to. 12 million/4 years was the contract he signed and got it all after he was fired after one season. So that one year was basically a very, very well paid year of what you could call practice year of HCing and getting his sea legs back and in the swing of being a HC again before taking his real HC job with the Chargers.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

@Breed

Why you wanna hurt us homie

 

[skinsdad62]

once Rg3 shows me he can function as a pro qb and do the basics then i will believe it . right now he is joe webb , and tavaris jackson with a sprinkle of tim tebow

 

[Breed]

@Breed

Why you wanna hurt us homie

Wasn't my intent, homey. But Atl had to know that Snyder is like Janice in accounting on Last Week Tonight. He don't give a fuck about fuckin off a funky ass 16 million dollars.

 

[Sportster 72]

On the contrary my good man................

Adam Archuleta was guaranteed 10 million dollars, basically a signing bonus type thing. Started 7 games and only saw the field as a STer or extra DB sometimes LB in nickel/dime packages the last 9. Before the next season started he was traded to Chicago for a 6th round pk.

Albert Haynesworth was, well I'll let wiki break it down as their write up is accurate far as hin contract numbers with Skins.



All told Haynes played in 20 games total the two years he was a Redskin.

There was also The Donovan NcNabb Debacle. Traded 2 picks to Philly for him and he lasted all of 13 games as the Skins starting QB in 2010. Than he was benched for Rex Grossman, but not before signing a 78 million contract extension before being benched. All told Synder put 10 mill in Nabby's pocket and before the 2011 season rolled around. He had been traded to Minny.

Donovan McNabb's Contract: How Do Benching and $78 Million Go Together? | Bleacher Report

And finally, while he wasn't a player. Marty Schotty made out pretty well to. 12 million/4 years was the contract he signed and got it all after he was fired after one season. So that one year was basically a very, very well paid year of what you could call practice year of HCing and getting his sea legs back and in the swing of being a HC again before taking his real HC job with the Chargers.

Some of our managements finer decisions. And someone said the other day that Cerrato made some good moves. Things like this are why I have put all my eggs in the Scot McCloughan basket. Elsewise we are doomed.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

All I can say to that SoCal is, at one point our team fielded 16 different starting QB's over a 16 year period and still we hunt for one that can get the job done. (For me that includes Kirk)

True & in the relatively recent past who were the ones selecting those QBs? All/most of that time has been during the Snyder era when the FO was mainly laughable. The mistakes were certainly not confined to the QB position.

If none of the current QBs makes it - there will be a different FO making this choice & they will not simply be looking for the sexy pick or relying on the top 10 picks in the draft for the next QB.

Cousins has the remainder of the season to prove whether he belongs. If he avoids the mistakes in most games & continues to grow then he will be around for a while. Otherwise - they will carefully find the next QB & it will have nothing to do with his PR factor or where he went to school.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Wasn't my intent, homey. But Atl had to know that Snyder is like Janice in accounting on Last Week Tonight. He don't give a fuck about fuckin off a funky ass 16 million dollars.

Good pt. That is why the signing of SM last offseason is probably the Redskins most significant acquisition during the Snyder era. One of his main functions is to keep Snyder out of these decisions to avoid future embarrassments along these lines. So far so good & expect this to be the approach for at least then next 3-4 years.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Some of our managements finer decisions. And someone said the other day that Cerrato made some good moves. Things like this are why I have put all my eggs in the Scot McCloughan basket. Elsewise we are doomed.

This guy made good moves? The only one who perhaps made worse decisions than Vinnie is the guy who cast him in this POS.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

This guy made good moves? The only one who perhaps made worse decisions than Vinnie is the guy who cast him in this POS.

WTF was that?!?! I'd like the last 1:07 of my life back please.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

See I don't agree you need to wait 4 years. There are plenty of examples of NFL QBs who came in and started right away and did great. Now are they spread QBs? No. But there is absolutely no guarantee 4 years will help a spread QB become a franchise QB. And it's still possible that the read option will go the way of the run and shoot and the wildcat. When it's all said and done the NFL is still about reading defenses, throwing to the right spot on time, and hitting what you are throwing at.

As for Brent Hundley he will never see the field because Rogers is awesome and he's never hurt.

Give me the plenty...not 20 yrs ago...since '08 draft you basically have Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco that came in, had great success early and have somewhat sustained it...maybe Stafford, RW & Cam (read opt guys), the rest that you might list are still more or less developing imo and I would incl Dalton there.

We're on the same page...I know the the NFL game...but, I also know that if you've played the game one way all your life and you're an elite talent, it's going to take longer to re-configure your game to the pros than a QB that played in a pro style OFC in college...that part is human nature. Parcells felt it took 30+ NFL starts before it's really fair to judge a rookie QB...this was before the proliferation of spread option QBs...there are no guarantees with the #1 overall prototypical QBs (Sam Bradford) either.

The only thing I'm saying here is if you take a QB from the draft that played in a read option system...you have to temper your expectations considerably from what they did in CFB.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

On the contrary my good man................

Adam Archuleta was guaranteed 10 million dollars, basically a signing bonus type thing. Started 7 games and only saw the field as a STer or extra DB sometimes LB in nickel/dime packages the last 9. Before the next season started he was traded to Chicago for a 6th round pk.

Albert Haynesworth was, well I'll let wiki break it down as their write up is accurate far as hin contract numbers with Skins.



All told Haynes played in 20 games total the two years he was a Redskin.

There was also The Donovan NcNabb Debacle. Traded 2 picks to Philly for him and he lasted all of 13 games as the Skins starting QB in 2010. Than he was benched for Rex Grossman, but not before signing a 78 million contract extension before being benched. All told Synder put 10 mill in Nabby's pocket and before the 2011 season rolled around. He had been traded to Minny.

Donovan McNabb's Contract: How Do Benching and $78 Million Go Together? | Bleacher Report

And finally, while he wasn't a player. Marty Schotty made out pretty well to. 12 million/4 years was the contract he signed and got it all after he was fired after one season. So that one year was basically a very, very well paid year of what you could call practice year of HCing and getting his sea legs back and in the swing of being a HC again before taking his real HC job with the Chargers.

Good points, but don't you think they bought those contracts with an expectation? AH was the best DT in the game at that time, McNabb was putting up great numbers in PHI...the players just went south making the contract look terrible.

They kinda already know what they are getting in RG3 in '16

 

[Sharkinva]

Good pt. That is why the signing of SM last offseason is probably the Redskins most significant acquisition during the Snyder era. One of his main functions is to keep Snyder out of these decisions to avoid future embarrassments along these lines. So far so good & expect this to be the approach for at least then next 3-4 years.

The real sticking point here is no longer the injury clause, its the guarantee at this point. The cap money for all intents is not an issue.

If the team thinks they can get something for him, they will hold his rights. IF he is on roster as of the 3rd day of the league year, he is guaranteed the $16.2 million. At that point the guarantee gets paid by us unless we trade him. If he is on roster as of March 10th, cutting him wont matter because we will have already paid and been charged for the $16.2 against the cap.

So it really does come down to if the team thinks he can either

1. Be an asset here
2. Be traded

If 1 or 2 dont apply, and assuming he doesnt blow out a knee running scout team drills between now and January.... then he will be cut on March 2nd.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

WTF was that?!?! I'd like the last 1:07 of my life back please.

Kindergarten Ninja (Video 1994) - IMDb

The 90s classic "Kindergarten Ninja" which also starred 49er Dwight Clark. I am guessing that they made this film for under $10k.

 

[Stymietee]

Give me the plenty...not 20 yrs ago...since '08 draft you basically have Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco that came in, had great success early and have somewhat sustained it...maybe Stafford, RW & Cam (read opt guys), the rest that you might list are still more or less developing imo and I would incl Dalton there.

We're on the same page...I know the the NFL game...but, I also know that if you've played the game one way all your life and you're an elite talent, it's going to take longer to re-configure your game to the pros than a QB that played in a pro style OFC in college...that part is human nature. Parcells felt it took 30+ NFL starts before it's really fair to judge a rookie QB...this was before the proliferation of spread option QBs...there are no guarantees with the #1 overall prototypical QBs (Sam Bradford) either.

The only thing I'm saying here is if you take a QB from the draft that played in a read option system...you have to temper your expectations considerably from what they did in CFB.

 

[Stymietee]

See I don't agree you need to wait 4 years. There are plenty of examples of NFL QBs who came in and started right away and did great. Now are they spread QBs? No. But there is absolutely no guarantee 4 years will help a spread QB become a franchise QB. And it's still possible that the read option will go the way of the run and shoot and the wildcat. When it's all said and done the NFL is still about reading defenses, throwing to the right spot on time, and hitting what you are throwing at.

As for Brent Hundley he will never see the field because Rogers is awesome and he's never hurt.

See that's the point, we're talking about the influx of men coming into the league from spread offenses. That makes all the difference as to what to do with them. One thing that some are finding out, is that, as you have stated, no matter how big of an impact these guys make at first blush, ultimately they will have tolearn to operate in the pocket, read defenses and hit their targets on time. Where most differ with my original position dating back to the 2012 draft is that they believe that for these read option guys it's either sink or swim right away. I on the other hand insist that taking the time to teach them to read defenses, perfect their pocket fundamentals, and become acclimated to the NFL game. They may still fail, but that failure rate won't be because they lacked these skills......after training of course.

 

[Sportster 72]

See that's the point, we're talking about the influx of men coming into the league from spread offenses. That makes all the difference as to what to do with them. One thing that some are finding out, is that, as you have stated, no matter how big of an impact these guys make at first blush, ultimately they will have tolearn to operate in the pocket, read defenses and hit their targets on time. Where most differ with my original position dating back to the 2012 draft is that they believe that for these read option guys it's either sink or swim right away. I on the other hand insist that taking the time to teach them to read defenses, perfect their pocket fundamentals, and become acclimated to the NFL game. They may still fail, but that failure rate won't be because they lacked these skills......after training of course.

$$$$ ... there is the problem. Draft a guy in the 4th round. He doesn't hurt your salary cap and you can do as you suggest. Draft a guy in the top 10-15 overall and it becomes a dollars and cents issue. Even with the change in rookie salaries 4 or 5 years ago. I will mention Griffin only because I have a fair idea of his contract without looking it up. I believe he was signed to a 4 year $20 million dollar contract. Owners aren't going to spend $15 million on QB education.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

See that's the point, we're talking about the influx of men coming into the league from spread offenses. That makes all the difference as to what to do with them. One thing that some are finding out, is that, as you have stated, no matter how big of an impact these guys make at first blush, ultimately they will have tolearn to operate in the pocket, read defenses and hit their targets on time. Where most differ with my original position dating back to the 2012 draft is that they believe that for these read option guys it's either sink or swim right away. I on the other hand insist that taking the time to teach them to read defenses, perfect their pocket fundamentals, and become acclimated to the NFL game. They may still fail, but that failure rate won't be because they lacked these skills......after training of course.

Agree 100%!

At present the draft sites I look at think 3 QBs have 1st round grades...Lynch, Memphis...Cook, Mich St...Goff, CAL...all are more prototypical pocket passers...it'll be interesting if any of them become decent NFL starters.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Give me the plenty...not 20 yrs ago...since '08 draft you basically have Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco that came in, had great success early and have somewhat sustained it...maybe Stafford, RW & Cam (read opt guys), the rest that you might list are still more or less developing imo and I would incl Dalton there.

We're on the same page...I know the the NFL game...but, I also know that if you've played the game one way all your life and you're an elite talent, it's going to take longer to re-configure your game to the pros than a QB that played in a pro style OFC in college...that part is human nature. Parcells felt it took 30+ NFL starts before it's really fair to judge a rookie QB...this was before the proliferation of spread option QBs...there are no guarantees with the #1 overall prototypical QBs (Sam Bradford) either.

The only thing I'm saying here is if you take a QB from the draft that played in a read option system...you have to temper your expectations considerably from what they did in CFB.

What about your boy Big Ben? Why only go back to '08?

Of the starters today these are the guys who were starters by year 2, most started earlier, and have shown to be pretty good. Some of them much better than pretty good and all show that you don't need 4 years to develop.

Luck
Wilson
Flacco
Roth
Ryan
Cam
Eli
Palmer
Brady
Peyton
Daulton
Stafford
Bridgewater
Brees
Carr

Philip Rivers was starting the first game of year 3.