Why Are We Not Trying To Trade RG3

[SoCalWizFan]

Clearly the QB. He is still here.

Yep but I also think that it unfolded in this matter because of how poorly Shanahan handled the situation. He was practically begging to be fired in his last month.

Oh well - I think that it eventually was for the best since it brought in SM & that dual coach/GM role never really works.

 

[Stymietee]

If that is what happens - I am fine with that. You have to crawl before you walk. Also - who cares if someone looks better than they are - what matters are results. If this team is anywhere close to SF or SEA during SM's tenure I will be more than happy. BTW - I disagree with you if you believe that Wilson is just a game manager. He is doing quite a bit for the Seahawks considering that their O line may be the worst in the NFL.

You really seem to be going overboard in your desire to defend RG3 at all cost. Like I have always maintained - I don't root for Cousins, RG3 or whoever - I root for the Redskins period and want whoever is best for each position. I am completely confused as to how you view RG3 as ultimately being better than Luck. Oh well.

If you believe that I'm defending RGIII you've missed out at every turn. I know that for some here it's easier to use Griffin as a foil, simply because they have already locked themselves into some notion as to what he is, and /or what he can or cannot become. The mere mention of his name brings immediate, visceral, points and counterpoints most of which are designed to keep Griffin AS the subject. Think about it........mismanagement, needing time to learn, setting up a method to do that, should have been benched from the start, needing a QB coach, and a dedicated GM to build a team around him.....all points that I have been defending from 2012, may very well have Griffin in the subject, but another look and you'll see that he indeed is not that. All you have to do
is ask yourself......WHO is responsible for doing all of these things......Griffin? Of course talking about a failing organization that helped produce him and some of his issues is not as much fun...is it?

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Just curious ATL96Steeler........Kirk Cousins vs. A.J. McCarron.....same type of guy or what? your viewpoint/ comparison would be greatly appreciated.( Kirks experience excepted) Thanks!

Same guy imo. Cousins maybe more aggressive but the experience is a factor.

 

[skinsdad62]

the read option is a PLAY not a damn offense . the offense is the spread and we have 2 all timers who use it peyton manning and tom brady .

neither use the read option PLAY

scouts get infatuated with the numbers and forget the rest

Rg3 wont be anything until he masters the pro game from a mental aspect . so far he hasnt

the qb school for 3-4 years is plain foolishness with the money being paid to qbs

dalton came from a spread offense and the read option play was used quite a bit

 

[BeaReylo]

Shanahan fucked up RGIII bringing him back faster than he needed to. This time on the sidelines is great for RGIII, he should be 100% healthy by the time he sees the field again.

Wherever that may be.

Unless RG3 learned to taper his hubris, on the bench, then he will still struggle with the next team that gets him.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

See, what you did there? I didn't use Aaron Rogers singularly, just the system that produced him.

Secondarily, both Rodgers and Wilson came from systems more friendly to the NFL style. Wilson also played baseball, so sliding came from that effort.

More important than any of these points is.....do you honestly believe that developing means learning to read defenses or correcting footwork release points only happen during live games?? Whaaaaa, no film work?, no coaching?, no working on those skills?

BTW: your list only had 3 guys that qualified for this discussion (someone already pointed that out) Not dozens.

Wait Sty you have constantly propped up Rogers as the poster child for how it should be done. You did it a number of times despite posters explaining that he was in the unique situation of having a HOF QB in front of him. How am I misrepresenting your position?

Again Rogers did not come from a spread offense in college yet you insisted his development in Green Bay was the model. The dozen QBs I mentioned did not need to come from a spread in offense, just as Rogers didn't, they just needed to have come in and played without 4 years of development that you determined was necessary.

To your second part of course years of behind the scene development may be ideal, it's just not necessary. Again as others have pointed out teams can no longer afford to sit their top draft choice for 4 years.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Same guy imo. Cousins maybe more aggressive but the experience is a factor.

The honest comparison between these guys is pretty much impossible since McCarron has never played a meaninful NFL game. As you alluded to - you cannot just discount the NFL experience. Otherwise - you could make a case for lots of QBs who never got a shot in the NFL - it is just a foolish comparison.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

If you believe that I'm defending RGIII you've missed out at every turn. I know that for some here it's easier to use Griffin as a foil, simply because they have already locked themselves into some notion as to what he is, and /or what he can or cannot become. The mere mention of his name brings immediate, visceral, points and counterpoints most of which are designed to keep Griffin AS the subject. Think about it........mismanagement, needing time to learn, setting up a method to do that, should have been benched from the start, needing a QB coach, and a dedicated GM to build a team around him.....all points that I have been defending from 2012, may very well have Griffin in the subject, but another look and you'll see that he indeed is not that. All you have to do
is ask yourself......WHO is responsible for doing all of these things......Griffin? Of course talking about a failing organization that helped produce him and some of his issues is not as much fun...is it?

Hmmm... So basically being the only person on the planet who believes that RG3 will be better than Luck is not defending RG3? To also blame RG3's failures on everyone except him certainly sounds like defending him in a major way.

Beyond that - the rest is just fantasy world since 1. you can't go back in time & 2. No NFL team is going to draft a QB in the 1st round and let him sit for 2-4 years. Again - the Jags loudly pronounced that they would sit Bortles his entire rookie season & sure enough he was the starter by the 4th game! Pretty much every NFL team will do the same barring very unique circumstances. The Packers situation w/ Rodgers was a one in a million type situation.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

The honest comparison between these guys is pretty much impossible since McCarron has never played a meaninful NFL game. As you alluded to - you cannot just discount the NFL experience. Otherwise - you could make a case for lots of QBs who never got a shot in the NFL - it is just a foolish comparison.

As football talents...the comparison is valid...most NFL QB prospects fall into 2 categories...do you have the big gun or not...if you don't have it...what other attributes do you bring to justify getting drafted. I think you can lump Cousins and McCarron in the same group.

NFL QB...there's no comparison to be made for McCarron as you said.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

As football talents...the comparison is valid...most NFL QB prospects fall into 2 categories...do you have the big gun or not...if you don't have it...what other attributes do you bring to justify getting drafted. I think you can lump Cousins and McCarron in the same group.

NFL QB...there's no comparison to be made for McCarron as you said.

Kirk Cousins' Pro Comparison

Fair enough. See above - now this was just before Cousins was drafted. Like you mentioned - Cousins does not have an elite arm. However - as they mention - this does not mean that he cannot succeed with his skill set. He just needs to not get greedy & try to make Favre like throws - we all know the results when that happens.

I would question whether someone like McCarron could excel in the same way that Cousins does in terms of the mental game, pocket presence, etc. McCarron also often came off like a d-bag so I would be a bit wary of his leadership presence in the NFL.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Kirk Cousins' Pro Comparison

Fair enough. See above - now this was just before Cousins was drafted. Like you mentioned - Cousins does not have an elite arm. However - as they mention - this does not mean that he cannot succeed with his skill set. He just needs to not get greedy & try to make Favre like throws - we all know the results when that happens.

I would question whether someone like McCarron could excel in the same way that Cousins does in terms of the mental game, pocket presence, etc. McCarron also often came off like a d-bag so I would be a bit wary of his leadership presence in the NFL.

How did this sidetrack over here? Stymie asked something about McCarron...that's right.

Cousins...imo is a stop gap QB, but he's got WAS in the thick of the DIV race...that's a good job...we'll see how it looks when the dust settles in DEC or JAN, but I have a feeling he's going to be the starter next year. WAS is probably not going to be bad enough to get one of the 1st rd grade QBs, so see what the draft offers to back fill RG3.

 

[Sharkinva]

Shanahan fucked up RGIII bringing him back faster than he needed to. This time on the sidelines is great for RGIII, he should be 100% healthy by the time he sees the field again.

Wherever that may be.

You might have been right, except for the fact that it was Griffin himself who pushed for and rushed his own return. I dont remember Shanahan issueing statements like all in for week one, or Robert better be ready to start the season.

I do however remember a QB going on national TV throwing his coach under the bus with statements like, coach promised me if I was ready i would be the starter, so I expect him to keep his promise. BUt its ok, keep making excuses for this kid.

What we have here is Mike Vick 2.1, he will never be a good QB unless you are prepared to run an option offense in the pros.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

You might have been right, except for the fact that it was Griffin himself who pushed for and rushed his own return. I dont remember Shanahan issueing statements like all in for week one, or Robert better be ready to start the season.

I do however remember a QB going on national TV throwing his coach under the bus with statements like, coach promised me if I was ready i would be the starter, so I expect him to keep his promise. BUt its ok, keep making excuses for this kid.

What we have here is Mike Vick 2.1, he will never be a good QB unless you are prepared to run an option offense in the pros.

Absolutely spot on. The Redskins did nothing wrong in the way they handled Griffin with the expection of leaving him in against the Hawks in the playoffs. His failings are on him. He ran Shanny out of town because he insisted on ditching the read option and becoming a pocket QB. He threw him under the bus a number of times, first by lying to the coach about how badly he was hurt and then blaming him for playing him when he was in fact hurt.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

How did this sidetrack over here? Stymie asked something about McCarron...that's right.

Cousins...imo is a stop gap QB, but he's got WAS in the thick of the DIV race...that's a good job...we'll see how it looks when the dust settles in DEC or JAN, but I have a feeling he's going to be the starter next year. WAS is probably not going to be bad enough to get one of the 1st rd grade QBs, so see what the draft offers to back fill RG3.

That's how most of us feel. Cousins will be back but he simply is not the long term answer. I still maintain he's better than a bunch of starters in the league and in a perfect setting you can probably win with him. But this is far from a perfect setting.

 

[Breed]

Some of our managements finer decisions. And someone said the other day that Cerrato made some good moves. Things like this are why I have put all my eggs in the Scot McCloughan basket. Elsewise we are doomed.

Who else could it of been about the good Cerrato moves except Coach Spurrier blessing us all with another one of his golden nuggets of ass backwards hilarity.

Agree 100% about all the eggs going in the Scotty Mac basket and with what SoCalWizFan said. That Scotty Mac is the most significant acquisition that's ever been made in the Snyder Era. Cuz if the Scotty Mac deal ends up going sideways for any reason in the next couple years. I think it could easily brand the Redskins organization as TOXIC/KEEP AWAY! for all good and/or upcoming coaches, GMs, scouts etc who have a bright future in the NFL and maybe even from good players via FA. Thus putting the Skins back in the "hiring coaches for positions they aren't ready for and signing FAs who's only real motivation is getting paid" arena.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

That's how most of us feel. Cousins will be back but he simply is not the long term answer. I still maintain he's better than a bunch of starters in the league and in a perfect setting you can probably win with him. But this is far from a perfect setting.

Agreed...ranked 22nd QBR...there a couple of guys with lower QBR that I would take over him...namely Cam Newton...also there a couple of guys with higher QBR ratings that I would not take over Cousins...Tyrod Taylor is one, Fitz in NY is another one...A win this week would endear him to a lot of fans. If he ends up .500 or better he deserves the '16 starting job imo.

 

[j_y19]

Agreed...ranked 22nd QBR...there a couple of guys with lower QBR that I would take over him...namely Cam Newton...also there a couple of guys with higher QBR ratings that I would not take over Cousins...Tyrod Taylor is one, Fitz in NY is another one...A win this week would endear him to a lot of fans. If he ends up .500 or better he deserves the '16 starting job imo.

Are you kidding? A win against the Pats this week and he would be the hero of DC......for a week. Then, if he tosses a couple INTs next week and there will be a few on this site that will want to run him out of town immediately.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Who else could it of been about the good Cerrato moves except Coach Spurrier blessing us all with another one of his golden nuggets of ass backwards hilarity.

Agree 100% about all the eggs going in the Scotty Mac basket and with what SoCalWizFan said. That Scotty Mac is the most significant acquisition that's ever been made in the Snyder Era. Cuz if the Scotty Mac deal ends up going sideways for any reason in the next couple years. I think it could easily brand the Redskins organization as TOXIC/KEEP AWAY! for all good and/or upcoming coaches, GMs, scouts etc who have a bright future in the NFL and maybe even from good players via FA. Thus putting the Skins back in the "hiring coaches for positions they aren't ready for and signing FAs who's only real motivation is getting paid" arena.

I wish I had seen the post about Cerrato's good moves, that would go in the Blind Squirrel column.

 

[Breed]

I wish I had seen the post about Cerrato's good moves, that would go in the Blind Squirrel column.

I thought you did see it. I believe you commented on it.

The blind squirrel column has given me an idea. Someone should make a sticky thread and call it Coach's Corner or something. Where we could just paste all of Coach's little nuggets of wisdom and insights.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

you trade' cousins keep rg3 draft hogan the end