so are TCU/WVU to the b12 officially busts now?

[john01992]

While I agree that WVU is out on "an island", they can still recruit from where they prev recruited. I can see your point in the extra travel time to in conf games as a detriment. In TCU's case, their recruiting field hasn't changed at all and being a Texas school, they have only to adapt to being in an AQ conf.

as for the bold part, i think that has more to do with them still being fresh off that bcs buster/rose bowl champs status. doing what they did goes a long way, heck even bsu still benefits from that status as well. over time TCU's national name brand status will take a bit of a hit, give them a few years where they are considered the bottom of the b12 and their recruiting will nose dive as well.

the problem for wvu is that they recruit florida, but have always done so as a member of a conference with a florida school. they dont play in florida anymore and the net result of that has been a decline in florida recruiting. granted they have seen an increase in texas recruiting, but not enough to make up for the lost florida recruiting.

 

[john01992]

Like i said it will be the SEC to break the ACC. They can do it. That will allow the BIG XII to move in as the only option. The pitch will be uniting Texas and Florida athletics in the same conference.

It's bound to happen. The SEC will move to 16 schools and they will take ACC programs. Most likely some Carolina schools.

problem is dont see any conf. realignment for the forseeable future. every conf has either gotten its extension or added the schools needed to get its extension. we are not gonna see any movement until 10-15 years down the road.

for the sec.....their ultimate goal is texas/oklahoma. i think they would have an interest in a few acc schools, but the acc schools that they want most (unc, uva) will be very hard to break. the 2 VA & 4 NC schools will be a challenge to split up.

unc in a freedom of information act had to release some internal email during the fsu to b12 & MD to b10 realignment saga and they exposed something that ive kinda known on my own for quite some time

that for better or for worse the core of the ACC is still deeply committed to staying together.

 

[tech_iceman]

Like i said it will be the SEC to break the ACC. They can do it. That will allow the BIG XII to move in as the only option. The pitch will be uniting Texas and Florida athletics in the same conference.

It's bound to happen. The SEC will move to 16 schools and they will take ACC programs. Most likely some Carolina schools.

so the SEC will take Florida Steate, Clemson

 

[john01992]

so the SEC will take Florida Steate, Clemson

gtech......maybe

miami.....i dont think so

fsu/clemson are the only two schools the sec can truly poach from the acc and have a guranteed shot of the schools approving the move. but theres four major obstacles

1. the ACCs insanely high buyout fee
2. justification for the SEC adding 2 more teams
3. justification for the sec adding two teams in states they already have a presence in
4. justification for expanding in the east when they have very ripe pickings (kansas, texas, & OU) in the west

 

[MarkOU]

so the SEC will take Florida Steate, Clemson

FSU is on permanent cock block from UF. They will never be SEC. They will be BIG XII #1 target when the SEC announces the ACC raid.

 

[john01992]

FSU is on permanent cock block from UF. They will never be SEC. They will be BIG XII #1 target when the SEC announces the ACC raid.

ok so if fsu is out that only leaves clemson as an sec addition. every other acc school has an issue where you can not 100% guarantee that those schools WANT TO LEAVE the acc

 

[tech_iceman]

gtech......maybe

miami.....i dont think so

fsu/clemson are the only two schools the sec can truly poach from the acc and have a guranteed shot of the schools approving the move. but theres four major obstacles

1. the ACCs insanely high buyout fee
2. justification for the SEC adding 2 more teams
3. justification for the sec adding two teams in states they already have a presence in
4. justification for expanding in the east when they have very ripe pickings (kansas, texas, & OU) in the west

those two teams are perfect


good college football teams
good rivals with SEC teams like South Carolina and Florida

what else could be better? Miami is the only other chance

 

[MarkOU]

problem is dont see any conf. realignment for the forseeable future. every conf has either gotten its extension or added the schools needed to get its extension. we are not gonna see any movement until 10-15 years down the road.

for the sec.....their ultimate goal is texas/oklahoma. i think they would have an interest in a few acc schools, but the acc schools that they want most (unc, uva) will be very hard to break. the 2 VA & 4 NC schools will be a challenge to split up.

unc in a freedom of information act had to release some internal email during the fsu to b12 & MD to b10 realignment saga and they exposed something that ive kinda known on my own for quite some time

that for better or for worse the core of the ACC is still deeply committed to staying together.

I disagree on your time frame. With the new playoff and the BiG going 16 in 2015, the SEC will match. The BIG XII will make its splash then.

 

[john01992]

those two teams are perfect


good college football teams
good rivals with SEC teams like South Carolina and Florida

what else could be better? Miami is the only other chance

i dont think miami would do it. they are a private school who recruits students heavily out of the northeast. those were the two big reasons why they rejected the SEC in favor of the big east in the early 90s

 

[john01992]

I disagree on your time frame. With the new playoff and the BiG going 16 in 2015, the SEC will match. The BIG XII will make its splash then.

why would the b10 go to 16? they just went from 11 to 14 and have yet to get a new tv contract for it

you really think the most tradition orientated conference is gonna add 5 schools in a 4 year period????

the only conferences that add that many are the ones clinging for life. when you add too many schools too quickly you are playing with fire and just asking for a disaster......

examples:
big east
southern
wac
big 12*

*the b12 lost 4 charter members after 20 years as well as being competitively unbalanced and replaced them with two obviously inferior schools. theres no way you can say that this merger was indeed a success.

 

[MarkOU]

why would the b10 go to 16? they just went from 11 to 14 and have yet to get a new tv contract for it

you really think the most tradition orientated conference is gonna add 5 schools in a 4 year period????

the only conferences that add that many are the ones clinging for life. when you add too many schools too quickly you are playing with fire and just asking for a disaster......

examples:
big east
southern
wac
big 12*

*the b12 lost 4 charter members after 20 years as well as being competitively unbalanced and replaced them with two obviously inferior schools. theres no way you can say that this merger was indeed a success.

Never said it was a successful merger so not sure what you are talking about there.

A two Division conference with 7 teams each is not ideal for scheduling rotations long term. This is for all sports. 16 is the ideal number and the motive is simply market share.

North Carolina and Virginia are prime time real estate and you have the BIG and SEC squeezing them with 14 schools each. 10-15 years down the road is a solid prediction, if it were the 80s.

This will happen soon, 5 years tops. The new SEC network coming only speeds it up.

 

[john01992]

Never said it was a successful merger so not sure what you are talking about there.

A two Division conference with 7 teams each is not ideal for scheduling rotations long term. This is for all sports. 16 is the ideal number and the motive is simply market share.

North Carolina and Virginia are prime time real estate and you have the BIG and SEC squeezing them with 14 schools each. 10-15 years down the road is a solid prediction, if it were the 80s.

This will happen soon, 5 years tops. The new SEC network coming only speeds it up.

that prime time real estate all seem to want to stick together.

if 14 is so hard then explain to me how the acc & sec managed to pull it off?

my honest assessment: you are stretching big time here. you want badly for the acc to fail and you come up with some pretty far fetched hypotheticals to make it happen

just calling it like i see it

 

[MarkOU]

that prime time real estate all seem to want to stick together.

if 14 is so hard then explain to me how the acc & sec managed to pull it off?

my honest assessment: you are stretching big time here. you want badly for the acc to fail and you come up with some pretty far fetched hypotheticals to make it happen

just calling it like i see it

It's year 2 for the SEC with 14 teams.
It's year 1 for the ACC with 14 teams.

I addressed that the 14 school is not ideal...long term.

I'm giving a 5 year, tops, time frame.

All of that is of course my opinon. I'm not making any wild claims or saying I have insider info, just discussion of a move to 16 schools for reasons previously stated. You however certainly do make some wild claims about my motive and come off as a douchebag who thinks his shit don't stink.

Just calling it like I see it.

 

[john01992]

It's year 2 for the SEC with 14 teams.
It's year 1 for the ACC with 14 teams.

I addressed that the 14 school is not ideal...long term.

I'm giving a 5 year, tops, time frame.

All of that is of course my opinon. I'm not making any wild claims or saying I have insider info, just discussion of a move to 16 schools for reasons previously stated. You however certainly do make some wild claims about my motive and come off as a douchebag who thinks his shit don't stink.

Just calling it like I see it.

yeah and the acc hasnt gotten the massive tv contract that they are due yet & the sec just got theirs. the ACC is not gonna add two more teams until 2 contract cycles from now (30 years)* and the sec for another contract cycle (15 years)

*only exception is if ND joins

 

[GamingGator]

yes. i was calling this as it was happening on the disney boards but the b12ers would not hear it. im sure they are rethinking things now.

 

[john01992]

yes. i was calling this as it was happening on the disney boards but the b12ers would not hear it. im sure they are rethinking things now.

no......

as you can see they are still advocating a guaranteed ACC breakup now

 

[WVUDAD]

There will be NO ACC breakup, they have circled the wagons since UMD bailed out, their huge buyout fee, and the GOR they have will lock them in, take a look at the map, past flirtations, and how conferences are being run. The B12 is the one that will die, and with it WVU football, I am afraid. The B12 HAD to have ten schools to meet media contracts, WVU wanted to get out of the BE, two desperate old people got married, a less than ideal situation. The PAC wants to go to 16, where do they go? Texas, OU, OSU, TT
The B11 wants 16, where do they go? IAST and KU, leaving four spots in the SEC and ACC, WVU, KSU, Baylor, TCU, and the rest of the BE schools fighting for them. I HOPE WVU gets one of the spots......

 

[GoldRusher]

I see WVU as a desperate move by the BIG XII.

TCU made sense due to regional concerns and yea i believe market value played its roll. Texas was locked up then A&M left, the BIG XII had to recoup some of those lost viewers and TCU was a hot ticket, having come off a rose bowl win.

WVU was the odd man out of the Big East crumbling so it was an easy PR move for both parties. Easy for the Big XII not to get rejected publicly by their real wants and easy for WVU to not get embarrassed getting drop to a mid major conf.

Both additions were basically timing to address immediate issues and that was getting back to 10.

Their next move will be much more calculated and they will look to add a big time program. The ACC will be the target and it will be the SEC that breaks their back when they move to match the BiGs 16 teams.

ACC is done. 2 programs to the SEC, 6 to the BIG XII and the other 4 scrubs get folded into the AAC. That's how I see it anyway.

I agree, when the SEC and BIG decide they want more tv markets the ACC will be in big trouble.

 

[LawDawg]

FSU is on permanent cock block from UF. They will never be SEC. They will be BIG XII #1 target when the SEC announces the ACC raid.

You are out of the conference realignment loop ... the same Grant of Rights (GOR) that protects your conference from being poached protects the ACC from being poached. There will be no more realignment for at least a decade. I am excluding teams like Cincy, UConn, etc., that may land somewhere.

Also, it's been the B1G, not the SEC, that had been the prime threat to the ACC.

 

[LawDawg]

I agree, when the SEC and BIG decide they want more tv markets the ACC will be in big trouble.

Research "Grant of Rights."