30 Mil, cap hit of 6 per. Oof, that was more than I wanted but he is versatile. I hope he remembers that 6M guys don't get to disappear for entire series in the playoffs.
30 Mil, cap hit of 6 per. Oof, that was more than I wanted but he is versatile. I hope he remembers that 6M guys don't get to disappear for entire series in the playoffs.
After he remembers, he can remind Marleau.
Compare the career playoff stats, pavelskis has literally had 6 great playoff games and that was the year they beat the kings in the first round and he went Mia after that
I knew you wouldn't be too far behind Kork. That sounds like a lot of work. I'm just going off memory of all flack Patricia has received throughout the years for disappearing. It may not have been to extent of Little Joe, but then again, he just joined the $6M Club.
The Score: Thornton-Marleau-Boyle
Interesting article from The Score on the future of Thornton, Marleau, and Boyle with the Sharks.
Looks like Doug wants to ride those three into the dirt. It wouldn't be a bad idea if the Sharks had three Couture-like players to build around as Patty, Jumbo, and Boyle become complimentary pieces. Too bad that is not the case. Looks like about 3 more years of finishing as a 5th seed and getting knocked out in round 2. Then when they retire, Doug is getting out of dodge. Shit prospect pool and a long rebuild is not attractive. There will be a team happy to make Doug their GM.
I don't mind it because you will be hard pressed to replace any of those guys let alone all 3, and as much as I love Logan he can't carry a team on his own, the team is already in transition to Thornton, Boyle, and to a lesser extent marleau being secondary players and its working well. I'm interested to see how this seasons roster plays out
I don't mind it because you will be hard pressed to replace any of those guys let alone all 3, and as much as I love Logan he can't carry a team on his own, the team is already in transition to Thornton, Boyle, and to a lesser extent marleau being secondary players and its working well. I'm interested to see how this seasons roster plays out
The Score: Thornton-Marleau-Boyle
Interesting article from The Score on the future of Thornton, Marleau, and Boyle with the Sharks.
How exactly is this happening? They have added virtually noone to the organization in the last couple years who make these guys anything but the go-to trio. Cooch is good, but not crosby/malkin/toews good. Pavs is solid, but not a top liner. Burns is solid too, but also not an elite player of the jumbo/boyle-in-their-prime level. The farm has next to nothing to replace these guys unless either Hertl becomes the best draft pick in sharks history or someone comes out of absolute nowhere to star, neither of which is likely.
Barring any r*pe trades or ridiculous draft luck, Dougie has only two choices. Ride his trip to death since he has no one even remotely close to take over their level of play without creating another hole (cooch might, but then who becomes cooch?) OR begin the youth movement now by sacrificng vets and taking a big risk of sucking for a couple years.
Personally, I think that if dougie was truly a skilled GM, he'd have gone with option 3: trade the vets for tons of picks/prospects, solid younger roster players, and then use the $$ to buy UFA's, even if overpaying. As I see it, this strategy is the only way to add great young talent into the organization signed well below UFA prices while still remaining competitive and allowing time for those young players to develop. These UFA signings above 33 should be 3 years or less since that should be the time it takes for the acquired picks/prospects/young players to develop (though under 30 can be 5 yrs like pavs).
For example if dougie traded boyle, jumbo, and patty for a package including 3 1st rounders (1 from each) plus several good young roster players or prospects (of the level of coyle, silfverberg, etc.) then the sharks would have the future roster into the system when you also add in the young D, hertl, mueller, nieto and the existing farm. They would also clear up 20.5M which they could use to add stalberg (3M), ribeiro (5.5), fillpula (5M), Ryder (3.5), and maybe boyes or brunner (2M ish). Move burns back to replace boyle on D. Im not sure if ryder, stalberg, fillpula, boyes, and ribeiro would be better than jumbo-patty but at the very least theyd be deaper and likely still competitive.
Then three years later they would suddenly have a wealth of 21-23 year olds with top end talent competing for playing time complimented by the young D in their primes, pavelski, burns, and cooch, as well as the finals couple years of the UFA's now in their early to mid 30's.
I think dougie's absolute avoidance of the UFA market, which makes a good deal of sense when looking at some of the deals but not all, has handcuffed him in a matter that in order to bring in talent today, he always has to sacrifice talent in the future. The the Draft and UFA market are the only ways to bring talent in without hurting the team today or in the future. Dougie has eliminated one of those routes entirely and limited the other with all the picks/prospects that he was dealt in the burns, boyle, rental players moves over the past few years.
You completely missed what i was saying lol, i was referring to the team transitioning from the Boyle,Thornton, Patty Era to the Couture,Pavelski, Burns Era. As in the current big 3 will begin to play a lesser role or atleast more complimentary role as oppossed to just the primary. Not every team gets as lucky as the oilers and pens did in the draft with #1 overall picks, look no further then the islanders prior to Tavares the Panthers, The jets so forth and so on. Chicago literally took 5 to 7 years of constant rebuilding, and that really started with Seabrook maybe 10 years ago.
You seem to think a #1 pick overall is a sure fire thing and its the furthest thing from the truth, its a gamble a huge one for a small market team that needs to draw attendance. The likely hood the sharks are going to get an even remotely decent return in a first round pick for any of those 3 is a shot in the dark. Thats why you stick with them.
As for free agents once again you've got that wrong, Wilson pursued Chara,Redden, and several other UFA's hard, San Jose isnt a preferred destination, because lets face it living in Cali aint cheap and living in the San Jose area is even more expensive. One possible perk is that with the current big 3 finishing out their careers here and staying loyal to the franchise and the franchise staying loyal to them it will help draw more marquee players here, a franchise's reputation is a big part of UFA signings.
Doug Wilson has tried very hard to make San Jose a very attractive destination and part of it as Cmon frequently eludes too has to do with how a franchise treats its players.
You completely missed what i was saying lol, i was referring to the team transitioning from the Boyle,Thornton, Patty Era to the Couture,Pavelski, Burns Era. As in the current big 3 will begin to play a lesser role or atleast more complimentary role as oppossed to just the primary. Not every team gets as lucky as the oilers and pens did in the draft with #1 overall picks, look no further then the islanders prior to Tavares the Panthers, The jets so forth and so on. Chicago literally took 5 to 7 years of constant rebuilding, and that really started with Seabrook maybe 10 years ago.
You seem to think a #1 pick overall is a sure fire thing and its the furthest thing from the truth, its a gamble a huge one for a small market team that needs to draw attendance. The likely hood the sharks are going to get an even remotely decent return in a first round pick for any of those 3 is a shot in the dark. Thats why you stick with them.
As for free agents once again you've got that wrong, Wilson pursued Chara,Redden, and several other UFA's hard, San Jose isnt a preferred destination, because lets face it living in Cali aint cheap and living in the San Jose area is even more expensive. One possible perk is that with the current big 3 finishing out their careers here and staying loyal to the franchise and the franchise staying loyal to them it will help draw more marquee players here, a franchise's reputation is a big part of UFA signings.
Doug Wilson has tried very hard to make San Jose a very attractive destination and part of it as Cmon frequently eludes too has to do with how a franchise treats its players.
Doug adds guys like Handzus at inflated prices because he has to pay a premium to get anyone to come to San Jose. The reason Wilson rants against free agency so much is because he knows he'd have to majorly over pay a player to even consider coming. There have been a number of players who have said San Jose has offered equal or more money but they chose somewhere else because San Jose was not a desirable destination for one reason or another. Vrbata, Jagr, Chara, Neidermayer, Redden, and Campbell just to name a few.
This is the reason the Sharks must get young NHL players back if they trade Thornton, Marleau, or Boyle because they won't get any help via free agency. The confirmed offer Toronto made for Thornton, which was Kadri or Gardiner, 1st in 2014, and a prospect (Believed to be Joe Colborne) is really the type of deal they need to look at if they go this direction.
Doug adds guys like Handzus at inflated prices because he has to pay a premium to get anyone to come to San Jose. The reason Wilson rants against free agency so much is because he knows he'd have to majorly over pay a player to even consider coming. There have been a number of players who have said San Jose has offered equal or more money but they chose somewhere else because San Jose was not a desirable destination for one reason or another. Vrbata, Jagr, Chara, Neidermayer, Redden, and Campbell just to name a few.
This is the reason the Sharks must get young NHL players back if they trade Thornton, Marleau, or Boyle because they won't get any help via free agency. The confirmed offer Toronto made for Thornton, which was Kadri or Gardiner, 1st in 2014, and a prospect (Believed to be Joe Colborne) is really the type of deal they need to look at if they go this direction.
Doug adds guys like Handzus at inflated prices because he has to pay a premium to get anyone to come to San Jose. The reason Wilson rants against free agency so much is because he knows he'd have to majorly over pay a player to even consider coming. There have been a number of players who have said San Jose has offered equal or more money but they chose somewhere else because San Jose was not a desirable destination for one reason or another. Vrbata, Jagr, Chara, Neidermayer, Redden, and Campbell just to name a few.
This is the reason the Sharks must get young NHL players back if they trade Thornton, Marleau, or Boyle because they won't get any help via free agency. The confirmed offer Toronto made for Thornton, which was Kadri or Gardiner, 1st in 2014, and a prospect (Believed to be Joe Colborne) is really the type of deal they need to look at if they go this direction.