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[WiggyRuss]

Of course you do.

You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. He made great progress this year as a defender and that’s in a year where he was asked to move around and play both 1B and 3B.

Typical. If a Guardian does something well it’s nothing but praise from you but if any one else does well you have to provide some mitigating circumstances. You’d think the Guardians have multiple World Series titles in the past few decades talking to you about them and yet we all know that’s not the case. They’re small market Little Engine That Could fluke trash that will never win big.

Bohm's defense is easily one of the worst at baseball at 3rd base. He will not be at third base long.

Fielding Bible

The Fielding Bible Awards

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Fielding Bible is one of the most legit sites for DRS- but you can go to any site and see how badly Bohm is ranked. Here he is at a -9. Makes him about the 2nd or 3rd worst in baseball.

Defensive stats are not exactly great- and every site has a different metric- but whatever the metric Bohm is generally considered awful at defense.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Bohm's defense is easily one of the worst at baseball at 3rd base. He will not be at third base long.

Fielding Bible

The Fielding Bible Awards

fieldingbible.com

Fielding Bible is one of the most legit sites for DRS- but you can go to any site and see how badly Bohm is ranked. Here he is at a -9. Makes him about the 2nd or 3rd worst in baseball.

Defensive stats are not exactly great- and every site has a different metric- but whatever the metric Bohm is generally considered awful at defense.

Fuck your metrics dork. Billy Beane never won a playoff series. Bohm made huge strides this year in the field and on the plate. You don’t watch baseball. You watch spread sheets. Good luck to the Guardians this week

 

[Heatles84]

You may still have Al Golden PTSD. He’s been pretty solid in that post at ND so far. He’s been much better than either of Freeman’s OCs.

I don't know, watching in back-to-back plays seeing Notre Dame only play 10 players on defense points towards the coordinator being the issue. But yes, maybe Golden PTSD....maybe.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I don't know, watching in back-to-back plays seeing Notre Dame only play 10 players on defense points towards the coordinator being the issue. But yes, maybe Golden PTSD....maybe.

If we’re judging everyone at their worst…also the responsibility for that is on the player and position coach.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Fuck your metrics dork. Billy Beane never won a playoff series. Bohm made huge strides this year in the field and on the plate. You don’t watch baseball. You watch spread sheets. Good luck to the Guardians this week

The Phillies have the 4th easiest stadium to hit a home run in according to the 3 year running average.

Bohm is easily one of the worst 3rd base defenders in basebal.

He is 27- a former 3rd overall pick who went to college, in his 4th season he finally go to the 20 homer mark.

ESPN- which inflates WAR more than just about any other service- has him at 0.5 WAR for the season- which is wretched. FanGraphs has him at 1.1 WAR.

just for comparison- Fangraphs has Josh Naylor at 2.5 WAR (ESPN hjas Naylor at 2.5).

 

[WiggyRuss]

turns out a 3rd basemen - with shaky defense at best- one of the worst in MLB at worst, a .325 OBP, and 20 homers is not worth that much on the field. Especially when 20 homers doesnt even put you in the top half at your position in baseball. What he is "best" at is still not even top half in the league

by any type of analysis Bohm is a below average 3rd basemen in the major leagues- which is a HUUUGe dissapointment for a former 3rd overall pick that had such heavy expectations.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Bohm's career WAR- in about 450 games is 0.7 (according to ESPN)....he has played basically like a replacement level player since being a Philly.

 

[fightinfunbags]

The Phillies have the 4th easiest stadium to hit a home run in according to the 3 year running average.

What was his home park last year when he hit 13? You don’t even know what you’re talking about. He’s not a pull hitter. Again spreadsheet boy…watch the fucking game and know the player you’re talking about.

Bohm is easily one of the worst 3rd base defenders in basebal.

You don’t watch baseball. Your opinion is limited because all you do is watch spreadsheets

He is 27- a former 3rd overall pick who went to college, in his 4th season he finally go to the 20 homer mark.

And…

ESPN- which inflates WAR more than just about any other service- has him at 0.5 WAR for the season- which is wretched. FanGraphs has him at 1.1 WAR.

just for comparison- Fangraphs has Josh Naylor at 2.5 WAR.

Josh Naylor is garbage that you over inflate because you can’t afford to fund a real baseball team.

 

[fightinfunbags]

turns out a 3rd basemen - with shaky defense at best- one of the worst in MLB at worst, a .325 OBP, and 20 homers is not worth that much on the field. Especially when 20 homers doesnt even put you in the top half at your position in baseball. What he is "best" at is still not even top half in the league

by any type of analysis Bohm is a below average 3rd basemen in the major leagues- which is a HUUUGe dissapointment for a former 3rd overall pick that had such heavy expectations.

You should watch him play Tuesday and Wednesday night. You won’t be distracted by a Guardians game.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Bohm's career WAR- in about 450 games is 0.7 (according to ESPN)....he has played basically like a replacement level player since being a Philly.

According to a guy who doesn’t watch baseball.

 

[WiggyRuss]

What was his home park last year when he hit 13? You don’t even know what you’re talking about. He’s not a pull hitter. Again spreadsheet boy…watch the fucking game and know the player you’re talking about.

You don’t watch baseball. Your opinion is limited because all you do is watch spreadsheets

And…

Josh Naylor is garbage that you over inflate because you can’t afford to fund a real baseball team.

lol......yah I dont watch baseball- gmafb....

dude- you just dont know much. Bohm kinda sucks. it is what it is. Not even you would call him a "good" defender. A .325 OBP is pretty bad for a guy who has below average power at his position. He does not do anything well and he does certain things very poorly.

Can he run? No. Can he hit for average? not really- not terrible but certainly not good. Does he get on base? no. Does he hit for power? some- but less than the average 3rd basemen even though he hits a hitters park. Is his defense good? Absolutely not- its somewhere in between below average and atrocious.

Naylor- 3 less homers in 110 less at bats. Can Naylor hit for average? he ceertainly did this year. -.308. Does he get on base? .354 OBP is above average. Does he hit for power? Some though- below average for his position- he did hit 31 doubles- the same as Bohm- in 20% less at bats- and plays half his games in a slightly pitchers stadium instead of an extreme hitters stadium. Can he run? No- slow as hell- but he does know how to run the bases and had 10 steals- one of the better base running first basemen. Can he field? Pretty solid fielder at first base- especially on digging balls out of the dirt.

Naylor- OPS .842. Bohm .765.

ESPN WAR- 2.4. Fan Graphs 2.5. for Naylor.

Bohm just does not do anything above average and does quite a few things below average. For being drafted 3rd overall he has been a huge dissapointment.

 

[fightinfunbags]

lol......yah I dont watch baseball- gmafb....

dude- you just dont know much. Bohm kinda sucks. it is what it is. Not even you would call him a "good" defender. A .325 OBP is pretty bad for a guy who has below average power at his position. He does not do anything well and he does certain things very poorly.

Can he run? No. Can he hit for average? not really- not terrible but certainly not good. Does he get on base? no. Does he hit for power? some- but less than the average 3rd basemen even though he hits a hitters park. Is his defense good? Absolutely not- its somewhere in between below average and atrocious.

He carried the Phillies early in the season and was their best hitter with runners in scoring position.

Naylor- 3 less homers in 110 less at bats. Can Naylor hit for average? he ceertainly did this year. -.308. Does he get on base? .354 OBP is above average. Does he hit for power? Some though- below average for his position- he did hit 31 doubles- the same as Bohm- in 20% less at bats- and plays half his games in a slightly pitchers stadium instead of an extreme hitters stadium. Can he run? No- slow as hell- but he does know how to run the bases and had 10 steals- one of the better base running first basemen. Can he field? Pretty solid fielder at first base- especially on digging balls out of the dirt.

He’s the Guardians best baseball player. Bohm is the Phillies 6th or 7th best baseball player.

ESPN WAR- 2.4. Fan Graphs 2.5. for Naylor.

Bohm just does not do anything above average and does quite a few things below average. For being drafted 3rd overall he has been a huge dissapointment.

I don’t care about where he was drafted. Nobody does except you. You are always stuck on prospect evaluation because in the end you’re a fan of a minor league baseball team stealing money and masquerading as a real MLB franchise. Any time someone on the Guardians gets developed they get traded away because they won’t pay them. That’s why your focus is what it is.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I mean - this is not even a close comparison. No one that follows baseball and knows anything about the game could possibly make the argument that Bohm had close to the season Naylor had- let alone better.

It is not even a close argument. I certainly dont think WAR and OPS etc. are the end-all be all- but when every single possible advanced statistic for multiple different services says Naylor has been WAY better- and OPS backs it up- you are just making an argument out of thin air to say otherwise.

 

[WiggyRuss]

He carried the Phillies early in the season and was their best hitter with runners in scoring position.

He’s the Guardians best baseball player. Bohm is the Phillies 6th or 7th best baseball player.

I don’t care about where he was drafted. Nobody does except you. You are always stuck on prospect evaluation because in the end you’re a fan of a minor league baseball team stealing money and masquerading as a real MLB franchise. Any time someone on the Guardians gets developed they get traded away because they won’t pay them. That’s why your focus is what it is.

Naylor is the Guardians best position player? lol....have you ever heard of Jose Ramirez? Andres Gimenez as 6th in the AL MVP voting last year- and followed it up with a 15 homer, 30 SB season and will likely win ANOTHER gold glove.

you are embarrassing yourself.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I mean - this is not even a close comparison. No one that follows baseball and knows anything about the game could possibly make the argument that Bohm had close to the season Naylor had- let alone better.

I didn’t. I said that you overrate Naylor. At the end of the day through a 162 game schedule someone has to post some numbers for a shitty offense and a shitty team.

It is not even a close argument. I certainly dont think WAR and OPS etc. are the end-all be all- but when every single possible advanced statistic for multiple different services says Naylor has been WAY better- and OPS backs it up- you are just making an argument out of thin air to say otherwise.

I said Naylor is the Guardians best player and that Bohm is the Phillies 7th best player.

Enjoy watching my team with a real MLB payroll play ball this October. I will.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I didn’t. I said that you overrate Naylor. At the end of the day through a 162 game schedule someone has to post some numbers for a shitty offense and a shitty team.

I said Naylor is the Guardians best player and that Bohm is the Phillies 7th best player.

Enjoy watching my team with a real MLB payroll play ball this October. I will.

I would hope a guy with a 1.1 WAR would be 6th or 7th.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Naylor is the Guardians best position player? lol....have you ever heard of Jose Ramirez? Andres Gimenez as 6th in the AL MVP voting last year- and followed it up with a 15 homer, 30 SB season and will likely win ANOTHER gold glove.

you are embarrassing yourself.

Gimenez feel off the face of the earth when the league got a book on him. Again…you’re overinflating a Guardian. If Ramirez was as good as you think he is he would have been traded already just like any other talented Guardian gets traded away from that slop franchise.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I would hope a guy with a 1.1 WAR would be 6th or 7th.

^^^Spreadsheets again. Doesn’t watch the game.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Gimenez feel off the face of the earth when the league got a book on him. Again…you’re overinflating a Guardian. If Ramirez was as good as you think he is he would have been traded already just like any other talented Guardian gets traded away from that slop franchise.

yes. 15 homers, 30 steals, gold glove defense is overating.

what you fail to realize is that for a guy like Bohm- counting stats really dont mean shit when you have a ton of at bats and dont do anyhting well

what does Bohm do better than the average guy? The answer is nothing. He doesnt have even average power at his position. He doesnt get on base even average at his position. He doest defend even average at his position.

if he didnt have the 3rd overall pick pedigree and show potential in his rookie season he would likely have been replaced or be on the chopping block to be replaced.

A guy like Jake Burger who at least hits for power does SOMETHING well. A guy like Kebryan Hayes at least has one of the best gloves at his position. Bohm does nothing well.