NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[shopson67]

Do you know that Tua misled the doctors? And, I understand that my opinion is somewhat biased since I'm a Phins fan. Having said that, maybe the Phins made the decision to play Thursday because Tua was cleared, so no reason to hold him out. Or, maybe they bribed the doctor to clear him, who knows?

Tua Tagovailoa Sticks to His Back Injury Story as NFLPA Launches Investigation Into Dolphins Concussion Protocol

Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa certainly looked like he had a concussion vs. the Bills but the medical staff cleared him to return, and now the NFLPA is investigating.

www.sportscasting.com

Players always want to continue, and often feel that they can. Investigations may find out if they're thorough enough. I did read somewhere that it is a known loophole to claim back injury to beat the protocol, but can't remember where and haven't found it again (maybe I'm concussed?)

Multiple neurologists that I've read on this matter said that any of his actions following the hit on Sunday should have bypassed the questions and put him into protocol. The staggering, shaking out the cobwebs, the immediate hands to the helmet, falling back down, being helped off, etc.

 

[trojanfan12]

Again, whether Tua had a concussion Sunday or not is irrelevant to the hit he took on Thursday. The hit he took against Cincy was one of the worst hits I've seen a QB take. If Tua was out Thursday because of the Bills game, then played the following week and took a similar hit, he'd likely still have a concussion. The argument you're making is a lot of "What abouts". And I doubt the Dolphins are going to rush him back. If he's not cleared, he won't play. If he's cleared, he'll play.

It's really as simple as your last sentence.

The reason the NFL has team doctors working with independent doctors and having the final say on this is so that you don't have coaches making medical decisions. Now it appears they want to take doctors out of it by making a blanket rule.

 

[shopson67]

Again, whether Tua had a concussion Sunday or not is irrelevant to the hit he took on Thursday. The hit he took against Cincy was one of the worst hits I've seen a QB take. If Tua was out Thursday because of the Bills game, then played the following week and took a similar hit, he'd likely still have a concussion. The argument you're making is a lot of "What abouts". And I doubt the Dolphins are going to rush him back. If he's not cleared, he won't play. If he's cleared, he'll play.

It is ENTIRELY relevant if you understand how concussions get easier and worse if you don't heal properly from the previous one. Also, he would've been held out of Thursday's game had he entered protocol, since the steps to be cleared take more than the 5 days between games.

I have no confidence that the upcoming Thursday game didn't play a role in Miami's handling of Tua's "back injury/concussion" on Sunday.

 

[Heatles84]

Tua Tagovailoa Sticks to His Back Injury Story as NFLPA Launches Investigation Into Dolphins Concussion Protocol

Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa certainly looked like he had a concussion vs. the Bills but the medical staff cleared him to return, and now the NFLPA is investigating.

www.sportscasting.com

Players always want to continue, and often feel that they can. Investigations may find out if they're thorough enough. I did read somewhere that it is a known loophole to claim back injury to beat the protocol, but can't remember where and haven't found it again (maybe I'm concussed?)

Multiple neurologists that I've read on this matter said that any of his actions following the hit on Sunday should have bypassed the questions and put him into protocol. The staggering, shaking out the cobwebs, the immediate hands to the helmet, falling back down, being helped off, etc.

Again, neurologists from an outside view don't know the full scope of the situation. We still don't know which protocols were handled incorrectly as it relates to Tua. Tua was able to finish the game on Sunday and looked good when he got back into the game. Hindsight is always 20/20, and neurologists chiming in well after the fact are always going to be a thing.

 

[Heatles84]

It is ENTIRELY relevant if you understand how concussions get easier and worse if you don't heal properly from the previous one. Also, he would've been held out of Thursday's game had he entered protocol, since the steps to be cleared take more than the 5 days between games.

I have no confidence that the upcoming Thursday game didn't play a role in Miami's handling of Tua's "back injury/concussion" on Sunday.

I'm completely aware of how concussions work. And that's great that you have no confidence in how Thusrday's game didn't play a role from Sunday. To summarize, the hit Tua sustained in Buffalo was minor, but when he fell his head hit the ground. Whereas Thursday, Tua was whipped by a 340 lb DT into the ground where the force of impact was far greater than that he sustained on Sunday in the previous game. Again, if you're arguing against that, I can't help you.

 

[shopson67]

Again, neurologists from an outside view don't know the full scope of the situation. We still don't know which protocols were handled incorrectly as it relates to Tua. Tua was able to finish the game on Sunday and looked good when he got back into the game. Hindsight is always 20/20, and neurologists chiming in well after the fact are always going to be a thing.

They do know what the protocol had been, in that those obvious signals of a concussion put a player into the protocol. Look at this weekend's games. McKenzie of the Bills took a big hit and stayed down for a while, then sprinted off to the tunnel to be checked. He was not allowed to return and is now in the protocol. Tua couldn't make to the sideline on his own and never grabbed his back, yet they blamed it on a back injury. Highly unlikely and IMO much more likely to be disingenuous.

 

[shopson67]

I'm completely aware of how concussions work. And that's great that you have no confidence in how Thusrday's game didn't play a role from Sunday. To summarize, the hit Tua sustained in Buffalo was minor, but when he fell his head hit the ground. Whereas Thursday, Tua was whipped by a 340 lb DT into the ground where the force of impact was far greater than that he sustained on Sunday in the previous game. Again, if you're arguing against that, I can't help you.

I'm not arguing any of that, other than the implication of a minor hit on Sunday. He clearly displayed concussion symptoms after a whiplash hit of his helmet into the turf on Sunday. Same thing happened on Thursday.

 

[Heatles84]

They do know what the protocol had been, in that those obvious signals of a concussion put a player into the protocol. Look at this weekend's games. McKenzie of the Bills took a big hit and stayed down for a while, then sprinted off to the tunnel to be checked. He was not allowed to return and is now in the protocol. Tua couldn't make to the sideline on his own and never grabbed his back, yet they blamed it on a back injury. Highly unlikely and IMO much more likely to be disingenuous.

Do you know the situation with McKenzie? If he was down for a while then went to the locker room, that's a bit different than Tua. Especially if McKenzie went to the locker room and didn't pass the concussion tests.

 

[Heatles84]

I'm not arguing any of that, other than the implication of a minor hit on Sunday. He clearly displayed concussion symptoms after a whiplash hit of his helmet into the turf on Sunday. Same thing happened on Thursday.

The two hits were in no way identical. Tua had just threw a pass and was in the air when a LB pushed him which caused him to fall to the ground and bump his helmet into the ground. Thursday's hit was far brutal. Saying both hits were similar is completely inaccurate.

 

[thunderc]

If Kyrie ever got a bad concussion like Tua did would he ever play again?

 

[dtgold88]

You take the 3 point on 4th and 3 on the first drive. A nice long drive that came up empty, I hate that call. Of course then 3 points is the difference…Brisett played well again though. One stupid decision but again he shouldn’t have been in that situation

OK, but what about the other time they went for it and got 7? In addition, if able, rewatch the play. Brissett had Chubb AND Bryant open for an easy TD.

In addition, Doc Brown is right about the space time continuum. you don't just add 3 to final score by giving us 3 on that drive.

Oh, and how about going for it from OWN 30? Guarantee BTGC was ready to blow a gasket had that failed....but it didn't.

 

[dtgold88]

Do you still have this same opinion after all the continued stink over this situation? The independent expert was fired. Smoking gun?

You're misinterpreting my statement re: the Thursday hit. It wasn't close to as violent as Sunday's hit against the turf and "may" not have caused a concussion had he not already been concussed.

are you being serious? Thursday's hit far worse. Not debatable for anyone who saw both.

 

[dtgold88]

...and that didn't happen on the Sunday previous?

no

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I'm not blaming stefanski.

 

[dtgold88]

I'm not blaming stefanski.

Baker?

 

[DJ]

Nope. I spiked the football and then let out a great big woooo like I was Rick Flair.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Baker?

I mean..I doubt atlanta runs for 220 yards with Myles out there. His poor off field choice led to that.

Fortunately they are still in first. A lot of football to play.

 

[DJ]

Looks like it's going to be awhile before we know.

MSN

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PJ Walker could get the starting job then....because Baker hasn't played well and Rhule is on the hot seat.

 

[shopson67]

are you being serious? Thursday's hit far worse. Not debatable for anyone who saw both.

The hit was harder, but I still think the whiplash effect of the first hit was worse.



EDIT: ahh, NFL blocked their content

 

[DJ]

People still arguing this after the NFLPA fired that Doctor?