Concussion Protocol and NFL

[redseat]

Truly how good is it? Does the NFL really care about player safety?

 

[redseat]

NFLPA to investigate handling of Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa concussion evaluation during game vs. Bills

 

[fightinfunbags]

This is a “ too early to rule upon” situation. The tell tale piece is the evaluation that took place in the locker room. We aren’t privy to any of that.

 

[redseat]

This is a “ too early to rule upon” situation. The tell tale piece is the evaluation that took place in the locker room. We aren’t privy to any of that.

Perhaps this instance might be but in general you really need to question the leagues protocol policy

 

[Hank Kingsley]

I thought it had a slight smell to it. It was a pretty good noggin' whack.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Perhaps this instance might be but in general you really need to question the leagues protocol policy

I’m no expert on the subject. At the same time, I’m not sure what else can be done. The people in charge saw something disconcerting in Tua’s movements post hit. They stopped the game and made him get evaluated by experts. If we’re saying an expert can’t rule out a concussion in that model and it’s an auto sit as a part of the protocol, I can’t say either way if that’s needed or if it’s overkill.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

I’m no expert on the subject. At the same time, I’m not sure what else can be done. The people in charge saw something disconcerting in Tua’s movements post hit. They stopped the game and made him get evaluated by experts. If we’re saying an expert can’t rule out a concussion in that model and it’s an auto sit as a part of the protocol, I can’t say either way if that’s needed or if it’s overkill.

Could be wrong because I dont know, but I thought once you've shown signs of being knocked silly. You were done for the day?
Being not sure, you go in the tent & get checked out. But I always thought when you get scooby doo'd thought minimum you get the rest of the day off.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Could be wrong because I dont know, but I thought once you've shown signs of being knocked silly. You were done for the day?
Being not sure, you go in the tent & get checked out. But I always thought when you get scooby doo'd thought minimum you get the rest of the day off.

If that’s the rule then protocol isn’t the issue. If the way you understand it is correct then the protocol was violated.

 

[redseat]

I’m no expert on the subject. At the same time, I’m not sure what else can be done. The people in charge saw something disconcerting in Tua’s movements post hit. They stopped the game and made him get evaluated by experts. If we’re saying an expert can’t rule out a concussion in that model and it’s an auto sit as a part of the protocol, I can’t say either way if that’s needed or if it’s overkill.

I'm saying, how is the protocol allowing someone to come back into the game after what Tua did there and showed the entire world. Dude wa messed up, yet "What day is is?" "SUnday... Ok you're good to go"

 

[fightinfunbags]

I'm saying, how is the protocol allowing someone to come back into the game after what Tua did there and showed the entire world. Dude wa messed up, yet "What day is is?" "SUnday... Ok you're good to go"

Have you ever had one of these done? I used to coach high school football so I’m familiar with the process on a small level. I’m projecting a grander level for the NFL with all of their resources. Every one of our players Pre season had to take a cognitive test on the computer to get a baseline score. After they took a pop we didn’t have access to give them a cognitive test on the sideline. That’s available in an NFL locker room. The test isn’t long. It’s about 5-7 minutes. This is likely coupled with the independent neurologist checking pupils and his ability to track movement with his eyes. He would also ask Tua questions expecting lucid and quick responses that show adequate processing. If a player jumps through all those hoops, and in the opinion of an independent expert is good to go, they should have the ability to get back on the field. The access to resources and technology allows the NFL to do this process in about 15-20 minutes once the player enters the locker room.

 

[eaglesnut]

I'd rather watch Tua play.

Kid looks pretty good.

 

[redseat]

Have you ever had one of these done? I used to coach high school football so I’m familiar with the process on a small level. I’m projecting a grander level for the NFL with all of their resources. Every one of our players Pre season had to take a cognitive test on the computer to get a baseline score. After they took a pop we didn’t have access to give them a cognitive test on the sideline. That’s available in an NFL locker room. The test isn’t long. It’s about 5-7 minutes. This is likely coupled with the independent neurologist checking pupils and his ability to track movement with his eyes. He would also ask Tua questions expecting lucid and quick responses that show adequate processing. If a player jumps through all those hoops, and in the opinion of an independent expert is good to go, they should have the ability to get back on the field. The access to resources and technology allows the NFL to do this process in about 15-20 minutes once the player enters the locker room.

I get all that but common sense would say, "sure he "passed" all these tests" but do we truly know how well he is?

 

[Debbie Does]

I've been on a lot of medications that produced great results on blood tests but left me feeling like shit. Medicine today seems to be all about numbers and very little about how a patient feels.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I get all that but common sense would say, "sure he "passed" all these tests" but do we truly know how well he is?

That’s fair. We are talking about the most important organ in the body and trauma to that area is still under study. We would be foolish to say we know everything there is to know about concussions. It sounds like what you’re lobbying for is once the protocol is invoked that the player is done for that game and would be reassessed later for the following weeks game. I disagree but it’s a fair perspective to maintain and it’s tough to argue against erring on the side of caution with potential brain injuries.

 

[Coily1]

Perhaps this instance might be but in general you really need to question the leagues protocol policy

Fast forward to 18 years from now, when Tagovailoa kills 6 people, then himself and his family blame the team and League for not overriding him insisting on staying in the game.

 

[redseat]

That’s fair. We are talking about the most important organ in the body and trauma to that area is still under study. We would be foolish to say we know everything there is to know about concussions. It sounds like what you’re lobbying for is once the protocol is invoked that the player is done for that game and would be reassessed later for the following weeks game. I disagree but it’s a fair perspective to maintain and it’s tough to argue against erring on the side of caution with potential brain injuries.

Thank you. Not saying that a player has to be kept out of the game entirely but the protocol needs to be "enhanced" imo since we truly don't know much about concussions

 

[fightinfunbags]

Thank you. Not saying that a player has to be kept out of the game entirely but the protocol needs to be "enhanced" imo since we truly don't know much about concussions

Well now you lost me. You’re hedging now and creating way too much subjectivity. If we are there, then let’s just keep it as is where experts examine a patient and has to pass the right tests to return. Or just say once it’s invoked the day is done.

 

[redseat]

Well now you lost me. You’re hedging now and creating way too much subjectivity. If we are there, then let’s just keep it as is where experts examine a patient and has to pass the right tests to return. Or just say once it’s invoked the day is done.

Ok. Works for me.

I just don't agree (yes I know I am NOT an expert) on what it appears the current protocol is that's all

 

[YankeeRebel]

Truly how good is it? Does the NFL really care about player safety?

If the affect is in your spine it could easily give you cowwebs. I tend to think it was his back. Remember these guys are seen by an independent doctor, whom I am pretty sure does not want to lose his license

 

[redseat]

If the affect is in your spine it could easily give you cowwebs. I tend to think it was his back. Remember these guys are seen by an independent doctor, whom I am pretty sure does not want to lose his license

It could have been and we most likely will truly know what it was or wasn't. Pure speculation on our parts