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averagejoe

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If all that is true about this rookie class, you have to believe that Mayfield is on someone's wishlist. Those teams have their poker face on.
 

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Yep and unfortunately Baker is like right on that "line", unfortunately he was injured all last year so that looks bad and his value has taken a hit (not that it was high before). The good thing for the Browns is he has proved he can be that guy but just not consistently, some team will take a chance for a mid-round pick but I get why there has been no rush from either side.
Will some team take that chance? Is he above the line Trubisky, Mariota, and Darnold were all on?
 

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Will some team take that chance? Is he above the line Trubisky, Mariota, and Darnold were all on?
Yeah I do believe he is above those guys' lines but it's closer than some may believe
 

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"Aaron Nagler of CheeseheadTV reports the Packers are targeting Darren Waller in a trade with the Raiders.​

Take this with a gigantic grain of salt, but Nagler has been covering the Packers for a very long time. Waller turns 30 in September and has two years left on his contract, ........
.......Flipping Waller to a starved-for-pass-catchers team like Green Bay in exchange for a high pick would make some sense."


Works great for me. Deal a 30 something TE whose game is %100 based on speed, for a #1? I'd laugh my ass all the way to the bank. Deal him for a #2? I might not laugh, but I'd still be happy
 

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"Aaron Nagler of CheeseheadTV reports the Packers are targeting Darren Waller in a trade with the Raiders.​

Take this with a gigantic grain of salt, but Nagler has been covering the Packers for a very long time. Waller turns 30 in September and has two years left on his contract, ........
.......Flipping Waller to a starved-for-pass-catchers team like Green Bay in exchange for a high pick would make some sense."


Works great for me. Deal a 30 something TE whose game is %100 based on speed, for a #1? I'd laugh my ass all the way to the bank. Deal him for a #2? I might not laugh, but I'd still be happy
They have Moreau. This is the time to deal him when his value is high
 

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Yep and unfortunately Baker is like right on that "line", unfortunately he was injured all last year so that looks bad and his value has taken a hit (not that it was high before). The good thing for the Browns is he has proved he can be that guy but just not consistently, some team will take a chance for a mid-round pick but I get why there has been no rush from either side.
It could be worse, he could be Jordan Love who it's possible never plays a meaningful snap before a team has to decide on his 5th year option.
 

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Melvin staying in DEN to split fantasy pts with Javonte, boo. Wanted to see this kid unleashed, hope he gets the bulk of the work from MG3 but I don't think they brought him back for nothing
 

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Melvin staying in DEN to split fantasy pts with Javonte, boo. Wanted to see this kid unleashed, hope he gets the bulk of the work from MG3 but I don't think they brought him back for nothing
Well likely Broncos would of brought/ drafted another RB any how. Javonte should end up being the workhorse with Gordon giving him breathers and injury insurance.
 

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Well likely Broncos would of brought/ drafted another RB any how. Javonte should end up being the workhorse with Gordon giving him breathers and injury insurance.
They likely would've, but it would've been late. Certainly wouldn't do it with the last pick of the second, thier first pick in draft.
Plus Mike Boone is still around
 

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They likely would've, but it would've been late. Certainly wouldn't do it with the last pick of the second, thier first pick in draft.
Plus Mike Boone is still around
Then on the other hand Gordon likely have issues staying healthy and could see a bit of a drop off in his play. I’m a Javonte owner and I not that concerned about Gordon resigning with the Broncos. Just a little surprise. I’m thinking his contract is likely team friendl.
 

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Then on the other hand Gordon likely have issues staying healthy and could see a bit of a drop off in his play. I’m a Javonte owner and I not that concerned about Gordon resigning with the Broncos. Just a little surprise. I’m thinking his contract is likely team friendl.
I wouldn't be overly concerned either.
 

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Gordon >>>>>>>> Any RB Denver would've drafted this year.

Paying him $5mil for 1 yr, so they are going to use him. I remember way back in the summer of 2021, back when everyone knew that Williams would eventually get the lion's share of that backfield by the end of the year....only it never happened. They stayed in a 55-45 split that did end up slightly in Williams favor due to the targets.

Not saying he's 2nd fiddle to Gordon, but to think that they won't cap each other's upside for another season means you're banking on a Gordon injury. As long as he's healthy, he's going to get touches. Couldn't say that for Joe Blow RB drafted on day 3

(sorry @averagejoe for slandering the good name "Joe" for that ending note)
 

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Gordon >>>>>>>> Any RB Denver would've drafted this year.

Paying him $5mil for 1 yr, so they are going to use him. I remember way back in the summer of 2021, back when everyone knew that Williams would eventually get the lion's share of that backfield by the end of the year....only it never happened. They stayed in a 55-45 split that did end up slightly in Williams favor due to the targets.

Not saying he's 2nd fiddle to Gordon, but to think that they won't cap each other's upside for another season means you're banking on a Gordon injury. As long as he's healthy, he's going to get touches. Couldn't say that for Joe Blow RB drafted on day 3

(sorry @averagejoe for slandering the good name "Joe" for that ending note)
Oh absolutely they lower each other's ceilings, no doubt about that. But Williams is still a better play now, than he was last year, if for no other reason than that offense should be significantly improved overall going from Teddy2Gloves to RW.
I'm not worried about Williams-in the sense that, he'll be a viable RB2 every week, regardless of Gordon being on the team. He'll just no longer have that upside that he MIGHT graduate to a RB1...barring something unforeseen going on.
 

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Oh absolutely they lower each other's ceilings, no doubt about that. But Williams is still a better play now, than he was last year, if for no other reason than that offense should be significantly improved overall going from Teddy2Gloves to RW.
I'm not worried about Williams-in the sense that, he'll be a viable RB2 every week, regardless of Gordon being on the team. He'll just no longer have that upside that he MIGHT graduate to a RB1...barring something unforeseen going on.

yup - I would've been happy to slot Williams into the middle of my top 10 RBs if they drafted a late round RB and didn't re-sign the guy they gave 200 carries to last year. Receiving work should keep Williams in the lead for fantasy purposes. Long term outlook still great, just don't think we're going to get that 65-70% of the load like I was really hoping for with Gordon gone.
 

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yup - I would've been happy to slot Williams into the middle of my top 10 RBs if they drafted a late round RB and didn't re-sign the guy they gave 200 carries to last year. Receiving work should keep Williams in the lead for fantasy purposes. Long term outlook still great, just don't think we're going to get that 65-70% of the load like I was really hoping for with Gordon gone.
It'll be interesting to see how they divy up the workload. I can't imagine letting Gordon get 200 carries, even if the offense gets 150 more snaps with RW than they did with Teddy, but, one of Gordon's strongest points his entire career has been his ability to catch the ball, and Williams easily outpaces him in yards per carry, so simple math says Gordon's role is likely to be more third down than early downs. But Williams also excels in that area too, so its not like there's a need to take him off the field in those situations.

My best guess is they alternate series for the most part. 2 for Williams, one for Gordon. Come crunch time though, my money is on Williams being in the backfield..unless he fails to progress in pass pro
 

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the local Denver radio tool bags talked about Gordon my entire drive to work..and never once touched on potential usage, it was entirely about his contract
 

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the local Denver radio tool bags talked about Gordon my entire drive to work..and never once touched on potential usage, it was entirely about his contract

they're paying him $3mil less than last year, seems like a great deal, especially if they can scale him back a bit if production dips or he isn't effective
 
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