2021-2022 Mariners offseason/free agency thread

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I read this trade proposal earlier and interested to see what others think.

Mariners Trade Proposal: Carson Kelly and Madison Bumgarner

Jerry Dipoto mentioned the Mariners would be willing to take on a big contract to acquire a good young player; enter Carson Kelly and Madison Bumgarner.

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as ussual...faslided..likes to push bad deals on the...mariners...but every once in a while...they do get a good one...
gonzo..and bucky have a you tube...channel...they wanted..frazier..last year....good job to them on that...they got him...

 

[ulmax]

I read this trade proposal earlier and interested to see what others think.

Mariners Trade Proposal: Carson Kelly and Madison Bumgarner

Jerry Dipoto mentioned the Mariners would be willing to take on a big contract to acquire a good young player; enter Carson Kelly and Madison Bumgarner.

sodomojo.com

as ussual...faslided..likes to push bad deals on the...mariners...but every once in a while...they do get a good one...
gonzo..and bucky have a you tube...channel...they wanted..frazier..last year....good job to them on that...they got him...

but with players salaries ..maybe going up....i still like a trade..over free agents....but the ..mariners need both...what ever....the rules are..teams will..
tank...its just the way it is in sports..in general.......you know you cant go to the playoffs....like oakland..there system..was just spent...
so the sell off....then rebuild....it is a natural..thing.....they act...like it is not....that said....the mariners 20 years..of not making the playoffs..is unnatural..

minnesoa..is in bounce back mode...
arizona..is re-build..
washington..is rebuild
oakland is sell off..rebuild..
texas..has waited a long time....but started to add..in one of the best free agent markets...in a couple years
miami..is still in rebuild..and has been sense..jetter took control...they will turn..the corner sometime...soon
cubs in re-build...i don tknow..really where they are at...with that
cinncy..in bounce back mode...........
pirates..in re-build...and will be till they start there pitching rotation..over
san diego..had a 1st round...of im back...now trying for a 2nd round..and loose hosmer
colorado.....it seems is always in the twilight ..ZONE...i dont know why...they have had good teams...there pitching..is always...so-so
mets..in lets add it mode....
K.C. shuold start adding soon
baltimore...not yet there with pitching..

this is 15 teams..1/2 right now

who is next...
dodgers..seem..ready..for a down cycle...
houstons turn is coming...just not here ....yet

in between
detroit
clevland
angels



e have made it

atlanta....finnally
san fran
white sox
brewers and
cardinals
phili..is not far from...but like san diego,,did not make it in the 1st round..so know..is in the 2nd
nYY
boston
tampa bay..
im going to put.
toronto
seattle here
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MLB.. will..never...never...ever..be the...NBA..stop trying to make it that..........................................................................................................................................................enfin

 

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MLB.. will..never...never...ever..be the...NBA..stop trying to make ithat..........................................................................................................................................................enfin

the NBA..would sill be popular..in seattle......if it was there...
the seattle city council.........nooooooo
and i still refuse...to watch...basketball.....till they bring..the sonics back

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time ran out...ii hate that..........

 

[seahawksfan234]

If he could have given us 3 or 4 playoff runs, yes. People worry about the back end of the contracts when we should just be happy if we get 2+ playoff runs after 20 years of none.

That's fair.

I did want Semien, and I could just be trying to convince myself it's not a big deal we lost out but I do find it suspect that Semien went from hitting .249/.310/.403/.713 with 75 HRs in his first 643 games to hitting .263/.346/.509/.854 with 85 HRs in his last 377 games. It's worth wondering if perhaps he started drinking Robinson Cano's Dominican Milkshakes the last few seasons...

 

[seahawksfan234]

We don't know how much they will spend. Remember last offseason? They were not within $100M of our expectations.

I honestly didn't really expect them to spend last offseason under the assumption they would spend this offseason. I mean let's be honest, not even Dipoto thought the team would win 90 games this year. Hindsight being 20/20, they should've spent last offseason, but the 2020 Mariners didn't exactly give the otherwise frugal ownership group any reason to open up their wallets.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Yes and IMO a rather easy yes. A position of great need, with zero organizational depth unless I guess you couldn’t include Toro. Semien is the guy they should have gotten and should’ve been option 1-insert number, then a 3B then a pitcher. Frazier is a great upgrade from last year but essentially puts Seattle in the same position next year where a priority in the off-season is 2B.

I guess I'll defer to you and @NWinAZ on this one...

Well lets all hope that Semien plays like the the guy he was before 2019 because this one will sting for years watching him play against the Mariners.

 

[NWinAZ]

That's fair.

I did want Semien, and I could just be trying to convince myself it's not a big deal we lost out but I do find it suspect that Semien went from hitting .249/.310/.403/.713 with 75 HRs in his first 643 games to hitting .263/.346/.509/.854 with 85 HRs in his last 377 games. It's worth wondering if perhaps he started drinking Robinson Cano's Dominican Milkshakes the last few seasons...

I agree with this as well. My point was not to let the length of contract from signing him, but if you question his ability going forward then pass. I mentioned it before that he played nearly half his games in a AAA field this past year.

 

[NWinAZ]

I honestly didn't really expect them to spend last offseason under the assumption they would spend this offseason. I mean let's be honest, not even Dipoto thought the team would win 90 games this year. Hindsight being 20/20, they should've spent last offseason, but the 2020 Mariners didn't exactly give the otherwise frugal ownership group any reason to open up their wallets.

If you are in it to win it, you don't need a reason to spend. You spend to give you a reason to win. IMO.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I really like the Robbie Ray signing a lot.

I know I just posted about how I was suspect about Marcus Semien's transformation but there is a lot to like about adding Ray. He always had walk issues but made adjustments in his physique and his mechanics that led to a career low walk rate. I was also very pleasantly surprised to learn that Ray actually has the highest career strikeout per 9 innings pitched ratio at 11.21. That's ahead of Chris Sale, Yu Darvish, Jacob deGrom, Randy Johnson, literally every guy known for striking guys out.

I also love that he seems really hyped to be here.

How Blue Jays' Robbie Ray went from a career-worst season to a Cy Young candidate: 'He's willed himself to this point'

Ray walked more batters than any other pitcher last year. Now, he leads the AL in ERA and the majors in strikeouts as the Blue Jays surge.

theathletic.com

How Ray went from good to elite took a change in his mechanics, a change in his approach and a change in his physique.

Let’s start with his physical transformation. During the offseason, Ray undertook a rigorous workout regime. Looking to add muscle, and inspired by football’s two-a-day workouts, Ray decided to start lifting weights twice a day — morning and night — seven days a week. He did research to make sure it was fine to do it — it was, as long as he was getting all the nutrients his body needed — and since he re-signed with the Blue Jays nearly as soon as the offseason started, he consulted with the team’s training staff throughout the winter.

“I tried it out for the first week and I was pretty sore,” he said. “But then after that first week, I just stayed on it and stayed with it and slowly the soreness started to go away and I was able to start lifting more, start lifting heavier and start getting more explosive and it was just something that worked out for me.”

When he arrived for spring training, Ray had noticeably bulked up and, as part of his four-day routine between starts, Ray continues his upper and lower body workouts.

The result is Ray’s throwing harder than he has since 2016, averaging 94.7 mph on his four-seam fastball, while topping out at 98.8 mph, the best it’s ever been. His slider is averaging a career-best 88.3 mph, per Brooks Baseball. He’s also shown his best stamina, averaging at least six innings per game, per Baseball-Reference, the most in any season.

 

[seahawksfan234]

If you are in it to win it, you don't need a reason to spend. You spend to give you a reason to win. IMO.

Good point.

Honestly I had forgot how bad the Rangers were last year until I saw they had spent half a billion dollars on Seager and Semien.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I agree with this as well. My point was not to let the length of contract from signing him, but if you question his ability going forward then pass. I mentioned it before that he played nearly half his games in a AAA field this past year.

Idk why but I always feel weird about guys hitters who go from nobodies to superstars overnight. There are plenty of guys who have done it, but I guess it just gives me pause.

 

[NWinAZ]

I really like the Robbie Ray signing a lot.

I know I just posted about how I was suspect about Marcus Semien's transformation but there is a lot to like about adding Ray. He always had walk issues but made adjustments in his physique and his mechanics that led to a career low walk rate. I was also very pleasantly surprised to learn that Ray actually has the highest career strikeout per 9 innings pitched ratio at 11.21. That's ahead of Chris Sale, Yu Darvish, Jacob deGrom, Randy Johnson, literally every guy known for striking guys out.

I also love that he seems really hyped to be here.

How Blue Jays' Robbie Ray went from a career-worst season to a Cy Young candidate: 'He's willed himself to this point'

Ray walked more batters than any other pitcher last year. Now, he leads the AL in ERA and the majors in strikeouts as the Blue Jays surge.

theathletic.com

How Ray went from good to elite took a change in his mechanics, a change in his approach and a change in his physique.

Let’s start with his physical transformation. During the offseason, Ray undertook a rigorous workout regime. Looking to add muscle, and inspired by football’s two-a-day workouts, Ray decided to start lifting weights twice a day — morning and night — seven days a week. He did research to make sure it was fine to do it — it was, as long as he was getting all the nutrients his body needed — and since he re-signed with the Blue Jays nearly as soon as the offseason started, he consulted with the team’s training staff throughout the winter.

“I tried it out for the first week and I was pretty sore,” he said. “But then after that first week, I just stayed on it and stayed with it and slowly the soreness started to go away and I was able to start lifting more, start lifting heavier and start getting more explosive and it was just something that worked out for me.”

When he arrived for spring training, Ray had noticeably bulked up and, as part of his four-day routine between starts, Ray continues his upper and lower body workouts.

The result is Ray’s throwing harder than he has since 2016, averaging 94.7 mph on his four-seam fastball, while topping out at 98.8 mph, the best it’s ever been. His slider is averaging a career-best 88.3 mph, per Brooks Baseball. He’s also shown his best stamina, averaging at least six innings per game, per Baseball-Reference, the most in any season.

I like the Ray signing as well. I would have loved to have added Stroman along with it pushing all our current pitchers one spot back where they belong. I don't think there is another #2 out there in free agency, but a deal could be made I suppose but you have to look at these prices for starting pitching and think real hard about giving up cheap future starters.

 

[NWinAZ]

Idk why but I always feel weird about guys hitters who go from nobodies to superstars overnight. There are plenty of guys who have done it, but I guess it just gives me pause.

I do too so you are not alone. I would have loved adding Escobar for 3B. Mets did a great job IMO on their 3 signings. Low cost relatively speaking and just good pros.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I read that the Mariners have interest in Trevor Story. How do you guys feel about that?

I don't think it would be a great idea. After reading that we were interested, I went to look at his career splits hoping I'd see that his numbers weren't inflated by playing at Coors Field, but unfortunately they are.

Story at home: 375 G, 100 doubles, 21 triples, 95 HRs, 279 RBIs, .303/.369/.603/.972
Story away: 370 G, 80 doubles, 6 triples, 63 HRs, 171 RBIs, .241/.310/.442/.752

Unfortunately I think that any contract offer given to him has to be with the expectation that his numbers away from Coors are reflective of the player that he is. MLBTR has a projected contract of 6 years $126m. I don't know if a .241 hitter away from Coors is someone worth that kind of money.

Now that I've said that, once the lockout or whatever ends we'll agree to a contract with him

 

[ulmax]

this is the situation..in minnesota..

Jorge Polanco #11​

• 2B
• B/T: S/R
• 5' 11"/208
• Age: 28

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• Jorge Luis Polanco
• Nickname: Chulo
• Born: 7/05/1993 in San Pedro de Macoris, Dominican Republic
• Debut: 6/26/2014

Year	AB	R	H	HR	RBI	SB	AVG	OBP	OPS
2021 Stats	588	97	158	33	98	11	.269	.323	.826
MLB Career Stats	2479	351	684	82	343	44	.276	.332	.783

Year
2021 Stats
the guy i like Jose Miranda...1B/2B this is why..they wanted to trade palanco....they have one to maney,..2b guys..which the mariners could use.....but miranda..is a 1B/3B....which they could really use.... but if they wont trade one..maybe they will the other.....who knows..maybe polanco can..play 3b..

33 HRs..269 ave...now he is a 2b...
Miguel Sanó 22.........1B
Josh Donaldson 20..3b
Nick Gordon 1.........ss
royce Lewis...............ss

Luis Arraez #2​

• 2B
• B/T: L/R
• 5' 10"/175
• Age: 24

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• Luis Sangel Arraez
• Nickname: La Regadera
• Born: 4/09/1997 in San Felipe, Venezuela
• Debut: 5/18/2019

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Year	AB	R	H	HR	RBI	SB	AVG	OBP	OPS
2021 Stats	428	58	126	2	42	2	.294	.357	.733
MLB Career Stats	866	128	271	6	83	4	.313	.374	.777

Year

 

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33 hrs..98 RBIS..is big as seagers..........he is only..28 years old
or frazier..can play 3B...he is a utility...

 

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[NWinAZ]

I read that the Mariners have interest in Trevor Story. How do you guys feel about that?

I don't think it would be a great idea. After reading that we were interested, I went to look at his career splits hoping I'd see that his numbers weren't inflated by playing at Coors Field, but unfortunately they are.

Story at home: 375 G, 100 doubles, 21 triples, 95 HRs, 279 RBIs, .303/.369/.603/.972
Story away: 370 G, 80 doubles, 6 triples, 63 HRs, 171 RBIs, .241/.310/.442/.752

Unfortunately I think that any contract offer given to him has to be with the expectation that his numbers away from Coors are reflective of the player that he is. MLBTR has a projected contract of 6 years $126m. I don't know if a .241 hitter away from Coors is someone worth that kind of money.

Now that I've said that, once the lockout or whatever ends we'll agree to a contract with him

I again have reservations on him but not because of Coors so much though I get your point. I just see how he regressed last year and injuries are starting to add up for him. I mean he would be a big improvement from what we have, but are you willing to give up $25M a year of your self imposed payroll limit for an iffy star? Maybe...maybe not.

I would go after Suzuki at $11M p/y and then add Bryant and trade for a #2 SP. Deal Kelenic for Reynolds (ya you talked me into it).

 

[NWinAZ]

I like Polanco, but it still means addition with subtraction involved unlike free agency. But I also think it is clear guys are running to sign with us so maybe time to crank up the old Dipoto trade machine.