Trade Deadline 2020

[tlance]

I felt the same, initially.

But, Wiggins has the potential to be uber-Harrison Barnes-like.

All they need him to do is be their 4th best player, at best.

The pick is the real prize.

Minny will still be terrible and the next draft will be deeper.

Hypothetical....

Wizards continue to not be able to pull a rabbit outta there hat and decide to part with Beal...

Embiid and Simmons continue to not be able to coexist...

Bucks implode and do the unthinkable with Giannis...

Wiggins salary and those 2 picks can fetch a decent return.

The part I don’t like is that Wiggins is a pretty poor defender too.

Maybe he improves in a different role. That is certainly possible.

But I have my doubts.

 

[Mecca]

I love it.

But, I'm worried.

Dude is really volatile and he didn't want to be a Clippers.

We offered him 3/42 and he took 2/20 from the Spurs instead.

I don't know if he was deluding himself into believing the Knicks were going to pay him.

But, his preference was to stay there over a trade to either team in LA.

I can understand not wanting to go to the Lakers.

He would be putting himself right back under Rd change Paul's thumb after firing him.

But, his aversion to the Clippers is unknown.

It's a A+ basketball wise. But, Marcus is a hothead.

* Rich Paul's thumb.

Fucking Twitter fingers

 

[Mecca]

Now that this is official...


My buyout wishlist...

* reasonable possibilities *

1. John Henson

2. Darren Collison free agent

3. Evan Turner

4. Trey Burke

 

[msgkings322]

Yeah it’s questionable for sure. There’s a few additional details that went into this just from trade value alone.

1) the warriors ducked the luxury tax after the trades. By ducking the luxury tax they can now use the 17M trade exception they got for iguodala in the off season. This is an additional asset that they wouldn’t have had if they kept D’Lo. The Warriors would have had to dump Looney and/or give away assets to get rid of Spellman and Evans.

2) the warriors started to sour on D’Lo. Not only was he reluctant to play off the ball which is essential to the system, he played no defense at all. But the biggest thing is given his health history he’s only played on 32 games all year. Draymond has played more this year than he had and he’s had a ton of wear and tear the last few years.

I think ultimately the Warriors felt by dealing him now there were additional advantages. They probably feel they can turn Wiggins around as well. I don’t think the Warriors wanted to go in to the off season with questions about what to do with D’Lo.

@tlance

What he said. Also:

1. There are very few no-brainer moves you can make: drafting LeBron, signing KD, etc. Those you don't even have to think about, there's no downside scenario. But most moves have an upside that might happen, and a downside. But you have to take a risk to make things happen. So yes this could be a miss, but it could also be a nice move. The idea is a better culture and better leadership would help a young guy like Wiggins find a role. He's clearly not an alpha, a 1 or 2 option type player. Now he's 3rd option at most, 4th best player, and isn't needed for anything but slashing and cutting on the offensive end. He's going to have a lot more room to work with defenses focused on Steph and Klay.

2. As far as defense, yes he might never be good. But D is mostly about effort and presumably a new location can help him there. Also not having to work so hard on the offensive end. We'll see, this is the biggest risk, I have no doubt he will be very valuable on the offensive end.

3. He can still be packaged with picks and moved later if it doesn't work.

4. Finally, I'm usually the type who thinks the pros know way more about this than I do. Especially when they have a proven track record as this front office does. We don't know what was out there, we don't know what Wiggins' agent told GS as far as what his client wants and is willing to do, we don't know if there was anyone better to get. I trust these guys to make good moves, better than I could, and of course some of it comes down to luck.

 

[tlance]

@tlance

What he said. Also:

1. There are very few no-brainer moves you can make: drafting LeBron, signing KD, etc. Those you don't even have to think about, there's no downside scenario. But most moves have an upside that might happen, and a downside. But you have to take a risk to make things happen. So yes this could be a miss, but it could also be a nice move. The idea is a better culture and better leadership would help a young guy like Wiggins find a role. He's clearly not an alpha, a 1 or 2 option type player. Now he's 3rd option at most, 4th best player, and isn't needed for anything but slashing and cutting on the offensive end. He's going to have a lot more room to work with defenses focused on Steph and Klay.

2. As far as defense, yes he might never be good. But D is mostly about effort and presumably a new location can help him there. Also not having to work so hard on the offensive end. We'll see, this is the biggest risk, I have no doubt he will be very valuable on the offensive end.

3. He can still be packaged with picks and moved later if it doesn't work.

4. Finally, I'm usually the type who thinks the pros know way more about this than I do. Especially when they have a proven track record as this front office does. We don't know what was out there, we don't know what Wiggins' agent told GS as far as what his client wants and is willing to do, we don't know if there was anyone better to get. I trust these guys to make good moves, better than I could, and of course some of it comes down to luck.

Oh, it certainly could work.

Just not at all the route I expected them to take.

 

[msgkings322]

Oh, it certainly could work.

Just not at all the route I expected them to take.

Most major moves surprise people. No one had the Warriors getting KD, or the Raptors getting Kawhi, etc. Part of the fun of the NBA

 

[The Q]

Most major moves surprise people. No one had the Warriors getting KD, or the Raptors getting Kawhi, etc. Part of the fun of the NBA

yeha but those make sense.

trading a legit talent and an asset even at his price for one of the worst contracts in the nba...is not a normal choice. But if course we all see that Barnes is trash out of GS...so maybe he will flourish too.

 

[msgkings322]

yeha but those make sense.

trading a legit talent and an asset even at his price for one of the worst contracts in the nba...is not a normal choice. But if course we all see that Barnes is trash out of GS...so maybe he will flourish too.

Your point about Barnes is actually part of it. Did you read my post, and CitySushi's? This move might work, it might not. You know who's best equipped to take these chances? The front office. Not you, or me.

 

[The Q]

Your point about Barnes is actually part of it. Did you read my post, and CitySushi's? This move might work, it might not. You know who's best equipped to take these chances? The front office. Not you, or me.

If Wiggins was still on his rookie deal it would be one thing.

but they had a chance to get Covington and picks. Or culver. How did it turn into this?

 

[msgkings322]

If Wiggins was still on his rookie deal it would be one thing.

but they had a chance to get Covington and picks. Or culver. How did it turn into this?

Again read our responses, that gives some reason how. And we don't know they could have gotten Covington or Culver. We don't know they wanted them. They got a nice pick by the way.

Also the money barely matters. This deal got them under the luxury tax so they can spend more later.

 

[wildturkey]

Now that this is official...


My buyout wishlist...

* reasonable possibilities *

1. John Henson

2. Darren Collison free agent

3. Evan Turner

4. Trey Burke

The reply to the Tweet you linked to did IT so dirty. LMAO

 

[DefCONNOne]

Most major moves surprise people. No one had the Warriors getting KD, or the Raptors getting Kawhi, etc. Part of the fun of the NBA

Bullshit! Anyone with any amount of intelligence had him going there. Where was he going if it wasn't the Warriors?

 

[trojanfan12]

Can we all just have a honest conversation about Danny Green?

He hasn't had a good year. Dude makes 15 mil and he's averaging 8 points on like 43 % shooting.

He started to age before our eyes in the playoffs last year.

The Dude that I wrongly criticized the most, Lowry, carried his weight on both ends of the court, in the Finals, not Green.

The fact that the Lakers have been winning has masked his ineffectiveness.

People Shit on Kuz. But, Danny has been ass too.

With that being said, the Knicks still should have done the deal because Dallas was taking Green.

Only thing that makes sense is the Knicks not wanting to add Kuzma to the Randle, Taj, Knox, Barrett gridlock.

Knox isn't good enough to warrant that type of consideration.

Danny Green has been inconsistent as fuck this year. Just like a lot of the Lakers players not named Lebron or AD.

Which is what worries me most about the team: inconsistency.

Lebron leaves the floor and they don't have a good primary ball handler. Rondo has been absolute garbage and Caruso is more of a 2 guard.

Kuz has a stretch of 3 or 4 REALLY good games and then he's back to a 2-15 shooting performance.

They HAVE to do anything humanly possible to get Darren Collison or it'll be a second round playoff exit.

Agree. Much of that inconsistency is the result of what happens when Lebron is off the floor.

Guys like Kuz and Green are very good to potentially great role players...but they both need a playmaker who can get them the ball in the right spots to be at their most effective.

 

[trojanfan12]

...am I the only one watching XFL?

Watched some. It was good enough that I'll likely continue watching.

 

[dtgold88]

My guess is that either Winslow is out for a while or the Heat did it as a 3 for 3 trade which made it worth it.

OK...still thinking the chess/checkers analogy a bit homerish. You don't know winslow is out, nor do you know how Iggy will look on your team yet after sitting out all year at his age. And the other 4 in the deal are JAGs at best.

 

[dtgold88]

...am I the only one watching XFL?

How did Cardale Jones look?

 

[dtgold88]

Again read our responses, that gives some reason how. And we don't know they could have gotten Covington or Culver. We don't know they wanted them. They got a nice pick by the way.

Also the money barely matters. This deal got them under the luxury tax so they can spend more later.

Exactly....for some reasons fans think unnamed sources, league sources, a guy's camp make something factual. These guys are like the CIA when it comes to making deals and drafting players. Nothing good can come of sharing their intel with others.

 

[Mecca]

How did Cardale Jones look?

He looked good.

Had a really cool trick play for a td.

I'd watch XFL again.

They don't really have much competition.

 

[Black Adam]

Watched some. It was good enough that I'll likely continue watching.

same. Kinda flipped it on and off, but i'm guessing it'll beat baseball...

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

OK...still thinking the chess/checkers analogy a bit homerish. You don't know winslow is out, nor do you know how Iggy will look on your team yet after sitting out all year at his age. And the other 4 in the deal are JAGs at best.

1. I didn't write it. It was obviously a copy/paste.

2. Dion released, so I'm guessing the 3 for 3 was correct.