Texas Rangers 2019-2020 Offseason Thread

[scotsman1948]

Trade Choo and that clears that up. Let Mazara be the primary DH and rotate in the OF to give guys a defensive day off. Also, ease him into 1B by letting him play there 15-25 games there this year.

how about trading Mazara and Choo?

 

[saddles]

how is a couple of low-level prospects going to make us better

I don't know how to explain that to you. You come at it with a bias that makes it impossible to convince you.

 

[scotsman1948]

I was simply stating that there's no reason to trade for Marte when we essentially already have him on the roster in Santana

Santana has shit to do with Mazara unless he can suddenly play CF

As stated previously, eat Choo's contract and send him to an AL team that needs a DH/ leadoff guy for cheapish

well we agree on wanting Santana in the batting order on a constant basis we just don't agree in what position. Mazara doesn't hit me as DH material and definitely not as 1st base material

 

[saddles]

totally agree. Saddles loves him some cheap pitchers

You really have no idea what I want. I have explained it before and you refuse to pay attention long enough to remember the next time the subject comes up.

 

[saddles]

 

[Kelleyman]

Much ado about nothing. Wheeler contract probably too long and a bit high. Really no strong opinion on that but re Boston pitching. Seems to me that what they want to unload are expensive damaged goods.

We could easily pick up another pitcher after the smoke clears especially if we get Rendon

 

[Kelleyman]

Saddles formula to a WS..... I might be versed in that haha

 

[scotsman1948]

I don't know how to explain that to you. You come at it with a bias that makes it impossible to convince you.

i'm not coming at it with any bias other than the fact that it is very rare for low-level prospects to have any impact on the mlb level. and Minor is probably better than any of the available lower level pitchers you would want. as you put it "cheap" which is your most important criteria

Also relevant

Age: Santana 29, Marte 31

and Marte is only available on the 2 years left on his deal which coincides with Taveras, Thompson and JPM all being ready to step into the outfield. oh and Marte is a natural CF'er while Santana is a natural jack-of-all-positions. my question is who steps in for us at DH, 1B, 2B, SS, 3B and the OF when injuries/normal time off is needed by the other starters if we tie down our super-utility guy at 1 position. IKF? Solak? Heineman? or do we sign another Forsythe? or ?

Danny is the one guy we have who can step in to any of these positions, produce with his fielding and his bat and give us 135 to 150 games doing it. sticking him at one position may give us a solution there but then causes multiple questions about everything else.

 

[scotsman1948]

You really have no idea what I want. I have explained it before and you refuse to pay attention long enough to remember the next time the subject comes up.

cheap and short term is your matra

 

[saddles]

i'm not coming at it with any bias other than the fact that it is very rare for low-level prospects to have any impact on the mlb level. and Minor is probably better than any of the available lower level pitchers you would want. as you put it "cheap" which is your most important criteria

and Marte is only available on the 2 years left on his deal which coincides with Taveras, Thompson and JPM all being ready to step into the outfield. oh and Marte is a natural CF'er while Santana is a natural jack-of-all-positions. my question is who steps in for us at DH, 1B, 2B, SS, 3B and the OF when injuries/normal time off is needed by the other starters if we tie down our super-utility guy at 1 position. IKF? Solak? Heineman? or do we sign another Forsythe? or ?

Danny is the one guy we have who can step in to any of these positions, produce with his fielding and his bat and give us 135 to 150 games doing it. sticking him at one position may give us a solution there but then causes multiple questions about everything else.

I never asked for a cheap pitcher. Maybe "cheaper," but that is completely different than cheap.

You have a bias against any prospects. You consider them almost worthless because they can't get you wins right away.

Why does Mike Minor have to bring back only low level prospects? That thinking is from your bias as well.

Your questions about CF and Santana has been answered many times and your bias will not let you listen enough to remember the answers, much less accept them.

 

[saddles]

cheap and short term is your matra

Long term success is my mantra. I got on board with us signing Rendon earlier than anyone, as well as I can remember, yet I am for being cheap. lol

You need to get it through your skull that this club crawls up into a fetal position economically when big monetary mistakes are made like with Choo and Prince. I do not want to see that happen again. I want to spend big at times, like with Beltre, Yu, and Rendon but in a wise way. I wanted to spend on Cliff Lee when he was available.

I also don't want to make dumb trades where we trade away valuable prospects for two years of Marte when we are not going to a WS in either of those two years anyway. That is especially so since we have a very good hitter who can play CF and who likely will get better with more time there. It would be dumb to turn that very good hitter into a bench player. You have a very big bias against Santana.

 

[scotsman1948]

I never asked for a cheap pitcher. Maybe "cheaper," but that is completely different than cheap.

You have a bias against any prospects. You consider them almost worthless because they can't get you wins right away.

Why does Mike Minor have to bring back only low level prospects? That thinking is from your bias as well.

Your questions about CF and Santana has been answered many times and your bias will not let you listen enough to remember the answers, much less accept them.

if anyone has bias it is you. you will never accept any thought that differs from yours. cheaper than what we got Minor for is just cheap. Minor's contract calls for $9833333 in 2020 and your comment was trade him and sign a couple or more pitchers for less.
anything less than a #20 prospect from the other team is questionable of making it to the big league and they are prospects because no one knows or can guarantee that they will ever make it. you although absolutely believe that every prospect is guaranteed.
you are so obsessed with putting Santana in CF no other opinion matters.

you accuse me of bias when if anyone on this thread is biased it is you. you refuse to even consider anyone else's opinion

 

[Kelleyman]

They think highly of him

 

[scotsman1948]

Long term success is my mantra. I got on board with us signing Rendon earlier than anyone, as well as I can remember, yet I am for being cheap. lol

You need to get it through your skull that this club crawls up into a fetal position economically when big monetary mistakes are made like with Choo and Prince. I do not want to see that happen again. I want to spend big at times, like with Beltre, Yu, and Rendon but in a wise way. I wanted to spend on Cliff Lee when he was available.

I also don't want to make dumb trades where we trade away valuable prospects for two years of Marte when we are not going to a WS in either of those two years anyway. That is especially so since we have a very good hitter who can play CF and who likely will get better with more time there. It would be dumb to turn that very good hitter into a bench player. You have a very big bias against Santana.

I have stated multiple times, which you refuse to acknowledge because of your bias, that I want Santana in the batting order. i'm just not ready to crown him our starting CF'er like you. you are obsessed with that.
you talk about you being all in on signing Rendon and then your next comment is about not making mistakes financially.
trades are part of the game and the object is to get like or better return than you send out. we have excesses in certain areas including Mazara, Jurado, Mendez, extra positional and pitching prospects and even Choo and Odor (with right amount of cash), that with the right combinations and brains could return us a Catcher, an CF'er and possibly better prospects in areas of need.

I don't believe in dumb signings or trades.

 

[donaldson79]

I have stated multiple times, which you refuse to acknowledge because of your bias, that I want Santana in the batting order. i'm just not ready to crown him our starting CF'er like you. you are obsessed with that.
you talk about you being all in on signing Rendon and then your next comment is about not making mistakes financially.
trades are part of the game and the object is to get like or better return than you send out. we have excesses in certain areas including Mazara, Jurado, Mendez, extra positional and pitching prospects and even Choo and Odor (with right amount of cash), that with the right combinations and brains could return us a Catcher, an CF'er and possibly better prospects in areas of need.

I don't believe in dumb signings or trades.

Signing Rendon and making mistakes financially? I don't understand what your point is; unless you're thinking of signing Rendon as a mistake. And why would you think that?

Dumb signings or trades? What, the rest of us do? The only thing is, what some would view as a 'dumb signing' or 'dumb trade' someone else might see as a good signing.

That's kind of the point of this site isn't it?

 

[saddles]

if anyone has bias it is you. you will never accept any thought that differs from yours. cheaper than what we got Minor for is just cheap. Minor's contract calls for $9833333 in 2020 and your comment was trade him and sign a couple or more pitchers for less.
anything less than a #20 prospect from the other team is questionable of making it to the big league and they are prospects because no one knows or can guarantee that they will ever make it. you although absolutely believe that every prospect is guaranteed.
you are so obsessed with putting Santana in CF no other opinion matters.

you accuse me of bias when if anyone on this thread is biased it is you. you refuse to even consider anyone else's opinion

Perfect example. I said, "Sign as many decent to good pitchers to short term contracts as it takes to feel comfortable trading Minor."

I never said cheaper than Minor.

You just don't pay attention and you don't mind misrepresenting what my stance is.

 

[saddles]

I have stated multiple times, which you refuse to acknowledge because of your bias, that I want Santana in the batting order. i'm just not ready to crown him our starting CF'er like you. you are obsessed with that.
you talk about you being all in on signing Rendon and then your next comment is about not making mistakes financially.
trades are part of the game and the object is to get like or better return than you send out. we have excesses in certain areas including Mazara, Jurado, Mendez, extra positional and pitching prospects and even Choo and Odor (with right amount of cash), that with the right combinations and brains could return us a Catcher, an CF'er and possibly better prospects in areas of need.

I don't believe in dumb signings or trades.

Yes, I want to sign some expensive free agents and I don't want to make dumb mistakes like signing Choo or now with Wheeler. There is no discrepancy there. Everything is a gamble, but be wise about when you gamble.

 

[saddles]

They think highly of him

For a one year deal that is probably not out of line.

 

[saddles]

if anyone has bias it is you. you will never accept any thought that differs from yours. cheaper than what we got Minor for is just cheap. Minor's contract calls for $9833333 in 2020 and your comment was trade him and sign a couple or more pitchers for less.
anything less than a #20 prospect from the other team is questionable of making it to the big league and they are prospects because no one knows or can guarantee that they will ever make it. you although absolutely believe that every prospect is guaranteed.
you are so obsessed with putting Santana in CF no other opinion matters.

you accuse me of bias when if anyone on this thread is biased it is you. you refuse to even consider anyone else's opinion

Yes, I am biased about what I believe in. I will be the first to admit it.

 

[saddles]

Signing Rendon and making mistakes financially? I don't understand what your point is; unless you're thinking of signing Rendon as a mistake. And why would you think that?

Dumb signings or trades? What, the rest of us do? The only thing is, what some would view as a 'dumb signing' or 'dumb trade' someone else might see as a good signing.

That's kind of the point of this site isn't it?

Yes, it is exactly what this site is about.