CFP Rankings Week 12

[Rolltide94]

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I do see a difference. In fact, I even said Oklahoma State had the worse loss. The problem was I also mentioned wins and how those were ignored, which was the point.

If you are ever confused again don't hesitate to ask for help little fella.

Well, since I was clearly talking about Ohio State in regards to the 30 point losses and Georgia with the double overtime loss...I'm not sure what Oklahoma State has to do with it...so I'm not sure I'm the one that's confused sparky....

 

[Deep Creek]

If Ohio State and CLemson remain #2 and #3, and they are as good as they seem to be, the final may be in the semifinal this year.

 

[ericd7633]

agreed.....more reason for you to maybe admit we don't have the first clue who the best teams are....especially in what looks like who deserves the #4 spot assuming OSU, LSU or UGA and Clemson hold serve.

You really think because the opinion of others having a team at 11 or 15 means all that much? These same guys had MSU 18, TAM 12 and Texas 10 in their preseason poll.

I'm not worried about anyone elses opinion. IMO Auburn, who would be lsu's 3rd best win is better than whatever would be Oregon's 3rd best win assuming they beat Utah and finish 12-1. Even if you want to say Bama/Utah cancel out and UF/USC cancel out, LSU has a clear advantage with the next best win, they would have beaten the team Oregon lost to, and would have the better loss. It's even worse if Utah wins because they'd have ONE great win(Oregon) and then nothing else.

 

[rmilia1]

The inherent problem with CFB has always been the same. In a sport where people ostensibly pick the national champion those people arent held to any specific rules as to how to choose. Even in other sports with committees choosing tourney participants there are guidelines and rules in place . Until we get rid of the ambiguity this will continue to happen in CFB. Of course the other notion is the lack of rules makes CFB unpredictable therefore more exciting

 

[kburjr]

The inherent problem with CFB has always been the same. In a sport where people ostensibly pick the national champion those people arent held to any specific rules as to how to choose. Even in other sports with committees choosing tourney participants there are guidelines and rules in place . Until we get rid of the ambiguity this will continue to happen in CFB. Of course the other notion is the lack of rules makes CFB unpredictable therefore more exciting

Anarchy is always more exciting than rules and such

 

[dtgold88]

Yes, based on 83% of the data being completed though. I'm not even saying anything controversial. LSU will have better wins, it's just what it is.

You also aren't saying anything factual. You are guessing.

What is factual, is these rankings you hold so dear at one time had MSU 18, TAM 12 and Texas 10.

 

[dtgold88]

I've been on record that Oklahoma State should have gotten in the title game that year.

As for Ohio State last year, 3 teams were undefeated and OU had better wins IMO. Not sure what the issue was there? Plus OSU had a worse loss?

Yet Okie State did not get in because wins were ignored over 1 bad loss.

No issue with OU getting in over OSU last year, but not sure why you think OU's wins were better.

 

[dtgold88]

I'm not worried about anyone elses opinion. IMO Auburn, who would be lsu's 3rd best win is better than whatever would be Oregon's 3rd best win assuming they beat Utah and finish 12-1. Even if you want to say Bama/Utah cancel out and UF/USC cancel out, LSU has a clear advantage with the next best win, they would have beaten the team Oregon lost to, and would have the better loss. It's even worse if Utah wins because they'd have ONE great win(Oregon) and then nothing else.

All fair points......but Oregon would have a CCG, which is supposed to matter. And so far no 1-loss CCG winner has been beaten out by a 1-loss nonchamp.

 

[dtgold88]

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Well, since I was clearly talking about Ohio State in regards to the 30 point losses and Georgia with the double overtime loss...I'm not sure what Oklahoma State has to do with it...so I'm not sure I'm the one that's confused sparky....

Because I was talking about all the years "worst loss" was used. And my point was also about wins being made obsolete.

 

[ericd7633]

You also aren't saying anything factual. You are guessing.

What is factual, is these rankings you hold so dear at one time had MSU 18, TAM 12 and Texas 10.

So nobody is any good and nobody has played anybody according to you. Lol.

 

[outofyourmind]

8 Penn State
10 Minnesota

This is where the Committee loses all credibility.

This game happened only 10 days earlier, we all saw it, it wasn't a fluke.

 

[ericd7633]

All fair points......but Oregon would have a CCG, which is supposed to matter. And so far no 1-loss CCG winner has been beaten out by a 1-loss nonchamp.

And that would be the only reason to put them in, because they wouldn't be more deserving or the better team.

 

[CJH9972]

This is where the Committee loses all credibility.

This game happened only 10 days earlier, we all saw it, it wasn't a fluke.

HTH tiebreakers are a glorified version or rock, paper, and scissors. How you fare against teams that happen to share the same record is not the be all end all of consideration. The teams did not have equal paths to 9-1 which should matter in a sport that does not automatically rank teams by record. How would you rank Penn State in comparison to all other 9-1 teams where there is no HTH if they have other advantages but must rank lower than Minnesota? Even in the NFL, for example, HTH is ignored if the tied teams did not all play each other.

 

[dtgold88]

So nobody is any good and nobody has played anybody according to you. Lol.

No, Eric. What I am saying is we cannot be sure who the best teams are and we certainly cannot "know" a team in the 10-15 range is better than another in the 10-20 range.

For instance, do I think Bama is a great team this year and the Bama we are used to? Maybe. But with their best win against TAM as of now how could anyone know? Just because they had a close loss to the only opponent they played with a pulse?

Look at the 3 teams you think are supposed to be so impressive - UF, Auburn, UGA

UF - 1-1 against the others with no other impressive wins and no bad losses
Auburn - 0-2 against the others, 1 impressive win at home vs. Oregon and no bad losses
UGA - 2-0 against others also beat ND (who UM destroyed) and bad loss vs. USCe

So other than beating each other they have 2 other impressive wins and 1 bad loss. Each win by a TD or less.

 

[dtgold88]

And that would be the only reason to put them in, because they wouldn't be more deserving or the better team.

based on your guesses and agenda, that's true. But not based on anything factual.

 

[Across The Field]

No, Eric. What I am saying is we cannot be sure who the best teams are and we certainly cannot "know" a team in the 10-15 range is better than another in the 10-20 range.

For instance, do I think Bama is a great team this year and the Bama we are used to? Maybe. But with their best win against TAM as of now how could anyone know? Just because they had a close loss to the only opponent they played with a pulse?

Look at the 3 teams you think are supposed to be so impressive - UF, Auburn, UGA

UF - 1-1 against the others with no other impressive wins and no bad losses
Auburn - 0-2 against the others, 1 impressive win at home vs. Oregon and no bad losses
UGA - 2-0 against others also beat ND (who UM destroyed) and bad loss vs. USCe

So other than beating each other they have 2 other impressive wins and 1 bad loss. Each win by a TD or less.

It's safe to say the SEC and B1G are the two best conferences this year in terms of top-end teams. That said, I don't think it's unfair to say OSU is on a different level from the rest, with LSU not terribly far behind. Outside of these two conferences, Clemson is elite and on the OSU level, IMO.

However, after those three, I think you could take Bama, UGA, Florida, Auburn, Penn State, michigan, Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin and match them up however you want and have some really close games throughout. You could probably even toss Utah, Oregon, Oklahoma, and Baylor into that mix.

After this, the rest of the P5 is just varying levels of a above average/average, and then horrible.

What this boils down to is that I wish we had better OOC matchups this year to help answer some of these questions.

 

[ericd7633]

No, Eric. What I am saying is we cannot be sure who the best teams are and we certainly cannot "know" a team in the 10-15 range is better than another in the 10-20 range.

For instance, do I think Bama is a great team this year and the Bama we are used to? Maybe. But with their best win against TAM as of now how could anyone know? Just because they had a close loss to the only opponent they played with a pulse?

Look at the 3 teams you think are supposed to be so impressive - UF, Auburn, UGA

UF - 1-1 against the others with no other impressive wins and no bad losses
Auburn - 0-2 against the others, 1 impressive win at home vs. Oregon and no bad losses
UGA - 2-0 against others also beat ND (who UM destroyed) and bad loss vs. USCe

So other than beating each other they have 2 other impressive wins and 1 bad loss. Each win by a TD or less.

I'm comparing Auburn to Washington. Auburn is better than Washington. Washington is Utah's best win, Washington is Oregon's 2nd best win. That's why LSU will have better wins because Auburn is lsu's 3rd best win.

 

[ericd7633]

based on your guesses and agenda, that's true. But not based on anything factual.

It's not an opinion that Auburn is better than Washington. Lol. Washington's 4 losses have and no good wins have done that for me.

 

[dtgold88]

I'm comparing Auburn to Washington. Auburn is better than Washington. Washington is Utah's best win, Washington is Oregon's 2nd best win. That's why LSU will have better wins because Auburn is lsu's 3rd best win.

First, this is your opinion. Second, for this discussion we are assuming Oregon or Utah beats the other so that would be either's best win.

 

[dtgold88]

It's not an opinion that Auburn is better than Washington. Lol. Washington's 4 losses have and no good wins have done that for me.

Lols don't turn opinions into fact. Washington lost to Oregon and Utah by 9 points total, so certainly they are on their level, right?

You keep saying how great UGA/Auburn/UF are but their big wins are pretty much against each other.