can we stop pretending harbaugh is the answer?

[Bandwagonbo2]

He won at Stanford and in the NFL. Best coach, PERIOD.

At least that was the line in 2015...

yeah thats sort of what I was eluding to, they bought the sales line he sold them hook, line and sinker.

 

[WhiteMamba]

I know, but at the time people said “yeah, but Shaw just took advantage of the foundation Harbaugh built.”

Now most of those people saying that crap will backtrack and claim otherwise, but a sizable group out there said that Harbaugh was better than Urban and Saban.

Yes they did. And I laughed. Nothing against Michigan’s fans, but c’mon.

 

[WhiteMamba]

Doesn’t help that the football program is no longer a priority in Ann Arbor. The school could not care less about the losses. This ain’t the 80s and 90s anymore.

Make Michigan Basketball great again. I usually like UM hoops teams.

 

[Diego Roll Tide]

Yes they did. And I laughed. Nothing against Michigan’s fans, but c’mon.

In fairness, it wasn’t just their fans. There were others out there convinced that his success in the NFL proved he was better than Urban and Saban.

If a single stint in the NFL were proof of coaching ability, Belichick is below average. Cleveland, anyone?

(I know, it sounds as ridiculous as it is.)

 

[BoiseStateFan27]

Michigan fans - riddle me this

Would you prefer Harbaugh if he were to win those big games but for each big win or two you get you also lose a game or two to an opponent you have no business losing to in frustrating fashion?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Don't look now, but here comes the Nebraska distraction.
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There is no distraction. I include UM in the same group as Nebraska.

Maybe you have this pipe dream that Nebraska is going to be like the 80’s and 90’s, but wake up. It is a COMPLETELY different game.

It is about speed and who can collect the most talent. Those are the teams who will win or be in the CFP, year in and year out.

Teams like Florida State, Texas, USC, etc. are just a coach away, because they have the talent around them.

Teams like Michigan and Nebraska — do not have that luxury.

And this isn’t meant as a jab at Nebraska, it is meant as a fact about Michigan. The days of competing for a B1G title every year and chance at a national title is in the past. Unless they come up with a way to win more of the battles for game changing recruits — they will co tongue to be what they are. A 2,3 loss team.

And while I’d love to say — just like Pelini— the difference in the two is.......UM plays OSU, MSU, PSU every year. Nebraska doesn’t.

 

[WhiteMamba]

In fairness, it wasn’t just their fans. There were others out there convinced that his success in the NFL proved he was better than Urban and Saban.

If a single stint in the NFL were proof of coaching ability, Belichick is below average. Cleveland, anyone?

(I know, it sounds as ridiculous as it is.)

I honestly believe Harbaugh could be an elite level (top 3-5 coach with a top 10 team annually)

But he needs an unquestioned leader at QB with an elite game of his own.

Hypothetically if he were at Michigan with a Luck type, they’re competing for NTs if not winning them.

 

[Red_Alert]

There is no distraction. I include UM in the same group as Nebraska.

Maybe you have this pipe dream that Nebraska is going to be like the 80’s and 90’s, but wake up. It is a COMPLETELY different game.

It is about speed and who can collect the most talent. Those are the teams who will win or be in the CFP, year in and year out.

Teams like Florida State, Texas, USC, etc. are just a coach away, because they have the talent around them.

Teams like Michigan and Nebraska — do not have that luxury.

And this isn’t meant as a jab at Nebraska, it is meant as a fact about Michigan. The days of competing for a B1G title every year and chance at a national title is in the past. Unless they come up with a way to win more of the battles for game changing recruits — they will co tongue to be what they are. A 2,3 loss team.

And while I’d love to say — just like Pelini— the difference in the two is.......UM plays OSU, MSU, PSU every year. Nebraska doesn’t.

Shut up stupid.

Notre Dame is not surrounded by talent.
Oklahoma is not surrounded by talent.
Dabo Swinney did not inherit a blueblood with a roster rich in talent.

Ohio St, LSU, Notre Dame, and others offer Nebraska players.
Noah Fant (Omaha) was a NFL first rounder.

You're just rationalizing for what has been a mediocre coach.
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[ralphiewvu]

Harbaugh has been a mediocre coach at Michigan for what he is being paid no doubt.

But it’s hilarious to see some of you forget what Stanford and the 49ers were before they hired Jim Harbaugh.

 

[GoldRusher]

Michigan had exactly what they needed at HC


but got impatient and ran him off thinking they needed another "Michigan man".

Michigan is a good program but they are no longer "elite" and never will be again. A special year here and there yes but the dynasty days are looong gone and aint coming back. RichRod would have won Michigan a BIG title or two by now, heck, his guys even made Brady Hoke look like he knew what he was doing, for a year at least.
Michigan needs to get behind Harbs 100%, go "all in" if you will cause he is the best Michigan can get at the moment.

 

[belcherboy]

Michigan had exactly what they needed at HC
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but got impatient and ran him off thinking they needed another "Michigan man".

Michigan is a good program but they are no longer "elite" and never will be again. A special year here and there yes but the dynasty days are looong gone and aint coming back. RichRod would have won Michigan a BIG title or two by now, heck, his guys even made Brady Hoke look like he knew what he was doing, for a year at least.
Michigan needs to get behind Harbs 100%, go "all in" if you will cause he is the best Michigan can get at the moment.

I agree. With all the success that RichRod has had since leaving WVU, I'm surprised he isn't a head coach right now! (sarcasm)

Michigan is a blue blood program, and will likely be one for a LONG time. College football is all about the head coach (recruiting and then then successfully teaching those recruits). Just about every program rises and falls with head coaching. The one exception of the top of my head has been Ohio State. They have had no problems transitioning when great head coaches leave the past 20 years or so.

If Harbaugh ever gets it together, or if Michigan is able to find a good head coach, they will be back to elite status. The blue bloods always will be on the cusp of having a great program, but will fail until they have a great coach. (by fail, I mean, they won't be national title contenders...but often still win 9-10 games a year).

Rich Rod, Hoke, and it's now looking more like Harbaugh were unable to get them over the hump. Harbaugh still has an outside chance of turning them into a playoff team in the future, but he has to do a better job coaching the talent. They seem to always have great talent on paper, but it just doesn't translate into wins in big games. If I had to make a prediction, I don't see Harbaugh sticking around much longer. I think he is headed to the NFL soon. I'm one of the rare Michigan fans that wouldn't mind him sticking around another year or two, but I wouldn't be too upset if he left after this season.

 

[PIBuckeye]

One dropped pass from sending that game into ot and yet the kerosene at ann arbor burns brighter than ever ....I do feel the pain of spending years looking for a quality qb though but then again I think that is more a coaching problem than talent issue usually. Good college coaches know how to tweak their systems to the abilities of the players they have at any given time

They just didn't play a complete game. They dug themselves quite a hole to dig out of going down 21-0. PSU could barely do anything in the 2nd half. They had one good series that led to a score but that was it.

 

[Wamu]

I usually like UM hoops teams.

What the hell is wrong with you!? I mean good morning.

 

[Collegefbfan]

One viewpoint I have being a Michigan fan is that the team isn't a national title contender and hasn't been since the year they had the great close game against the Buckeyes (2006 I think). They were ranked #1 and #2. The Wolverines have had some good seasons.

The other viewpoint I have is at least Michigan hasn't carved the same path as Virginia Tech, Florida State, Southern Cal, and Florida (a few years ago). The path I am referring to is barely above 0.500 and missing bowl games, etc.

Now, I fear the Michigan program going in the direction of the second viewpoint I listed.

 

[belcherboy]

One viewpoint I have being a Michigan fan is that the team isn't a national title contender and hasn't been since the year they had the great close game against the Buckeyes (2006 I think). They were ranked #1 and #2. The Wolverines have had some good seasons.

The other viewpoint I have is at least Michigan hasn't carved the same path as Virginia Tech, Florida State, Southern Cal, and Florida (a few years ago). The path I am referring to is barely above 0.500 and missing bowl games, etc.

Now, I fear the Michigan program going in the direction of the second viewpoint I listed.

Well Michigan did have a 3 year run where they won a total of 15 games back in the late 2000's.

I'm not worried about Michigan going back to a .500 team. Harbaugh has a ton of talent on the sideline, and should be able to churn out 9-10 wins in his sleep most years on pure talent advantage alone. Even if Harbaugh were to leave for the NFL, Michigan isn't likely to drop to .500 immediately. Michigan is a juggernaut of a program (financially) and they will likely always have a big draw and recruiting edge over 90% of the NCAA. The issue they need to fix is how to develop that talent. As much as I hate Ohio State, they do a GREAT job finding coaches that develop talent. So even if a big name leaves, they often don't feel much if any pain in the transition. Harbaugh has done a pretty lackluster job fully developing talent at Michigan. He's able to win the easy games, but can't seem to coach this team through the big game. Especially Ohio State.

 

[Wamu]

Well Michigan did have a 3 year run where they won a total of 15 games back in the late 2000's.

I thought RichRod did an excellent job in ann arbor.

 

[belcherboy]

I thought RichRod did an excellent job in ann arbor.

That was a rough three year stretch. Can you believe that he was offered the job at Alabama before Saban arrived? What a different college football world we would likely live in if he had taken that job!

 

[7Samurai13]

I'll have to know exactly what the question was.

Has anyone let us know the question yet?

 

[tnapucco]

Has anyone let us know the question yet?

 

[Dolemite censored]

When I opened this thread, I thought it was from 2-3 years ago.