2019 Offseason Thread

[WiggyRuss]

And that's what cracks me up so much about people knocking D'Lo's signing. The Warriors basically signed a 23 year old all star to a 4 year deal to help alleviate this, but people act like it's a negative. The Warriors weren't going to let Klay walk. After KD left they certainly weren't going to let Draymond walk. And Curry will (hopefully) retire a Warrior or at the very least will be with them until he's in his late-ish 30's.

So the Warriors covered all their bases. They got younger. They retained a strong core. They remain competitive when healthy. I don't see how people can still knock this team. But maybe I'm also mis-remembering how people viewed the Spurs keeping their core intact too.

i just think its a big time price to pay for Denaglo Russell---not only the steep contractual price, but also Iguadala and his expiring contract, and two first round picks.

paying Denaglo Russell 29M a year and giving up multiple first rounders and taking up about a 1/4 of your cap spae for the next 4 years--- and Iguadala's expiring contract do it, while sacrificing flexibility by becoming hard capped is hardly a no-brainer.

 

[WiggyRuss]

To be fair hes saying he said 5-6 years , but now of course wants 6.
If its not that, it’ll be another excuse.
Im not worried about it.
We know the deal.

like i said, if you can find where i said 5 or 6 years go for it. my post from the start was i said that the Cavs would have a better 6 years run than the Heat did post lebron. I get it if you agree with me. its not like its gonna be tough to top 1 playoff series win if they dont win another one this year. lol.

 

[WiggyRuss]

To be fair hes saying he said 5-6 years , but now of course wants 6.
If its not that, it’ll be another excuse.
Im not worried about it.
We know the deal.

i mean, my statement was that the 6 years post LeBron the Cavs would have more success.....so i mean, if the hat only win 1 series in 6 years and the Cavs win 2 that obviously is better. I mean, not my fault the Heat have mostly been a mess. Its the whole reason i said what i said. I mean cmon. It shouldnt be difficult to win more than 1 playoff sreies in 6 years. its why i am moroe than willing to make the bet and back up what my original post said.

 

[CitySushi]

i just think its a big time price to pay for Denaglo Russell---not only the steep contractual price, but also Iguadala and his expiring contract, and two first round picks.

paying Denaglo Russell 29M a year and giving up multiple first rounders and Iguadala's expiring contract do it, while sacrificing flexibility by becoming hard capped is hardly a no-brainer.

What financial flexibility? The Warriors weren't parting with Steph and Klay for sure at the minimum. That's a no-brainer. But then you'd have to get rid of Draymond, not take back any long term money for Iguodala and pray for a big name guy in 2021. So then you punt two seasons effectively, all the while you just opened up in a brand new arena with PSLs and tons of brand new corporate sponsors.

There's not only a competitive aspect here, but a very much important financial aspect of the new arena. You can't be shit for the first two years you move into a new billion dollar arena.

 

[WiggyRuss]

And that's what cracks me up so much about people knocking D'Lo's signing. The Warriors basically signed a 23 year old all star to a 4 year deal to help alleviate this, but people act like it's a negative. The Warriors weren't going to let Klay walk. After KD left they certainly weren't going to let Draymond walk. And Curry will (hopefully) retire a Warrior or at the very least will be with them until he's in his late-ish 30's.

So the Warriors covered all their bases. They got younger. They retained a strong core. They remain competitive when healthy. I don't see how people can still knock this team. But maybe I'm also mis-remembering how people viewed the Spurs keeping their core intact too.

and i am not "knocking it"- i mean- its fine. i dont think it was a particularly good move or particularly bad move.

We shall see if the opportunity cost is worth it over the next couple years.

 

[WiggyRuss]

What financial flexibility? The Warriors weren't parting with Steph and Klay for sure at the minimum. That's a no-brainer. But then you'd have to get rid of Draymond, not take back any long term money for Iguodala and pray for a big name guy in 2021. So then you punt two seasons effectively, all the while you just opened up in a brand new arena with PSLs and tons of brand new corporate sponsors.

There's not only a competitive aspect here, but a very much important financial aspect of the new arena. You can't be shit for the first two years you move into a new billion dollar arena.

well not this year, but as teh cap grows if you would have stayed lean with the rest of the roster you could have maintained some flexiiblity---- or even took back guys without such large long term commitments in trades----- or made moves that did not result in being hard capped --- which limits some of the deals that you can make even when you are over the cap.

29M a year for Deanglo Russell- a guy who had a great year last year, but was being hung with a bust label not too long ago is a huge commtiment.

When you consider that you ALSO, in addition to the financial commitment, had to give up 2 first rounders, iguadala and his expiring contract, AND become hard capped----- it adds up to being quite a bit.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

like i said, if you can find where i said 5 or 6 years go for it. my post from the start was i said that the Cavs would have a better 6 years run than the Heat did post lebron. I get it if you agree with me. its not like its gonna be tough to top 1 playoff series win if they dont win another one this year. lol.

I don’t have time to search posts, but I said to you, ‘are we going to do the 5-6 year season bet’, and you said yes.

So, I proposed the bet at 5.

 

[WiggyRuss]

The Jazz are really going to be interesting this year.

I really, as a general rule, dont like building around a traditional "franchise" center--- but when that center is Rudy Gobert you can probably make an exception.

Gobert:

1. Is one of the top 3, if not the #1 defensive player in all of the NBA

2. He is a great teammate and a hard worker. He has a great work ethic and is coachable, and is smart enough to understand that no matter what he is never going to be the #1 option

3. He is extremely efficient with his touches. The guy shot 66.9% from the field last year. He is not a huge liability from the line like a lot of "traditional centers" are- in that he shoots about 64% from the free throw line

4. Blocks and rebounds....2.4 blocks per game and 12.9 rebounds per game last year. He is a force. Only Mitchell Robinson and Myles Turner averaged more blocks per game. Only Drummond, Embiid and Jordan averaged more rebounds per game.

It is why he is one of the most unlikely top 20 players in the NBA in recent memory.

Donovan Mitchell is going to be a big time star - if he is not already....Mike Conley is precisely the type of playmaker they needed and no one is a better team leader and likeable guy than Conley.


Quite a few other teams situated in places like New York, Miami, Chicago, etc...have quite a bit more advantages than the Jazz in drawing players--- but the Jazz have done a better job than teams in those 3 cities in putting together a helluva team that I think could make some major noise.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I don’t have time to search posts, but I said to you, ‘are we going to do the 5-6 year season bet’, and you said yes.

So, I proposed the bet at 5.

and i said 6...so if you dont like it, then hey....shove it....I am not going to let you bully me into a bet on your terms.

I had a very defnitive post---- The Cavs will have more success in the 6 years post LeBron than the Heat. If you dont l ike it- either do something about or just stop the constant whining.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

i mean, my statement was that the 6 years post LeBron the Cavs would have more success.....so i mean, if the hat only win 1 series in 6 years and the Cavs win 2 that obviously is better. I mean, not my fault the Heat have mostly been a mess. Its the whole reason i said what i said. I mean cmon. It shouldnt be difficult to win more than 1 playoff sreies in 6 years. its why i am moroe than willing to make the bet and back up what my original post said.

Heat were in large part a mess, as you call it, because of Bosh.
Are you really blaming anyone for that?
Heats vision never required to have to suck.

As far as you and the Cavs, bet or no bet, point is proved.
You can post as often as you want about great planning, tanking, drafting , etc, but the fact that you require a six year window to even become decent says it all.
Not only that, what you are assuming is best case, easily can not happen that fast or at all.

That’s why Ive said to please stop telling us about it until it happens.

 

[lebron23james]

Cavs have a chance to be good next year. Kevin Love didn't play the entire season last year, plus another lottery pick, with sexton who looked good last year imo

If they trade TT for Hayward or something similar, i think their is a good chance they make the playoffs in the east next year. A lot has to go right, but it is very possible.

Unless they want to tank for one more year, but with the way the lottery is set up it doesn't really benefit much to tank...Might as well try, and then if it doesn't work just missing the playoffs is good enough

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

and i said 6...so if you dont like it, then hey....shove it....I am not going to let you bully me into a bet on your terms.

I had a very defnitive post---- The Cavs will have more success in the 6 years post LeBron than the Heat. If you dont l ike it- either do something about or just stop the constant whining.

Bully you?
Seems other way around.
I said 5-6, you said ok, now it has to be 6, lol.
I don’t even care about a bet that has to sit for 4 years.
Just knew you’d pull same shit, as you did.

I don’t see anyone here saying I pussied out.
Its all you.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Cavs have a chance to be good next year. Kevin Love didn't play the entire season last year, plus another lottery pick, with sexton who looked good last year imo

If they trade TT for Hayward or something similar, i think their is a good chance they make the playoffs in the east next year. A lot has to go right, but it is very possible.

Unless they want to tank for one more year, but with the way the lottery is set up it doesn't really benefit much to tank...Might as well try, and then if it doesn't work just missing the playoffs is good enough

Talk to Wiggy.
He needs 6 year window to bet.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

and i said 6...so if you dont like it, then hey....shove it....I am not going to let you bully me into a bet on your terms.

I had a very defnitive post---- The Cavs will have more success in the 6 years post LeBron than the Heat. If you dont l ike it- either do something about or just stop the constant whining.

There was more then 1 post on topic.
You said yes to my 5-6, so quit acting like Im making something up.

Whining about what?
I told you I don’t really care about a 4 year future vcash bet, just wanted to watch you pussy out.

#missionaccomplished

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

The Jazz are really going to be interesting this year.

I really, as a general rule, dont like building around a traditional "franchise" center--- but when that center is Rudy Gobert you can probably make an exception.

Gobert:

1. Is one of the top 3, if not the #1 defensive player in all of the NBA

2. He is a great teammate and a hard worker. He has a great work ethic and is coachable, and is smart enough to understand that no matter what he is never going to be the #1 option

3. He is extremely efficient with his touches. The guy shot 66.9% from the field last year. He is not a huge liability from the line like a lot of "traditional centers" are- in that he shoots about 64% from the free throw line

4. Blocks and rebounds....2.4 blocks per game and 12.9 rebounds per game last year. He is a force. Only Mitchell Robinson and Myles Turner averaged more blocks per game. Only Drummond, Embiid and Jordan averaged more rebounds per game.

It is why he is one of the most unlikely top 20 players in the NBA in recent memory.

Donovan Mitchell is going to be a big time star - if he is not already....Mike Conley is precisely the type of playmaker they needed and no one is a better team leader and likeable guy than Conley.


Quite a few other teams situated in places like New York, Miami, Chicago, etc...have quite a bit more advantages than the Jazz in drawing players--- but the Jazz have done a better job than teams in those 3 cities in putting together a helluva team that I think could make some major noise.

Whiteside averaged 11.3 or 1.6 less rebound and 1.9 blocks or .4 less while playing 9.6 less mpg.

Just sayin’

 

[msgkings322]

What financial flexibility? The Warriors weren't parting with Steph and Klay for sure at the minimum. That's a no-brainer. But then you'd have to get rid of Draymond, not take back any long term money for Iguodala and pray for a big name guy in 2021. So then you punt two seasons effectively, all the while you just opened up in a brand new arena with PSLs and tons of brand new corporate sponsors.

There's not only a competitive aspect here, but a very much important financial aspect of the new arena. You can't be shit for the first two years you move into a new billion dollar arena.

Wiggy won't even let the obvious ones go

 

[WiggyRuss]

Whiteside averaged 11.3 or 1.6 less rebound and 1.9 blocks or .4 less while playing 9.6 less mpg.

Just sayin’

Whiteside is not a 1/10th of the player of Gobert.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Whiteside is not a 1/10th of the player of Gobert.

He’s better overall, but it’s not near your exaggeration.

If Gobert was traded to Lakers or Heat tomorrow, you’d find 1000 faults in his game.

 

[Black Adam]

and i said 6...so if you dont like it, then hey....shove it....I am not going to let you bully me into a bet on your terms.

I had a very defnitive post---- The Cavs will have more success in the 6 years post LeBron than the Heat. If you dont l ike it- either do something about or just stop the constant whining.

LMFAO...!!!!

#chickenshit

 

[tlance]

Vegas would love your dumb money bets. The only way GS has ever won was having an extra star. Everytime they are = or close they have lost. So i am not sure how they will beat other teams now with = or better stars, now that durant is gone.

I think Philly or Mill will take the next step forward. There are easily 5 teams over GS next year and 7 in the following...Clippers, Lakers, Houston, Boston, Philly, Mill, Brooklyn i would take all of them over GS.

They still have 2 stars currently on their team like every other team, so why do you not think they are the favorites? What is with the excuses? If they are good as you think they are they should be favorites with the rest of the 2 all-star pairs in the league, but clearly you don't think so...Says more about each "star" to me

Luckily, you will find out next year that they aren't as good as you think

You have always been a Warrior hater.

Their 3 stars are fantastic together, but they have no depth.

I believe DLo can be used to address that.

Philly and Milwaukee definitely downgraded their rosters this summer. Maybe Brooklyn will be for real when they get KD back, but maybe not. Kyrie and KD are both weird dudes. Not sure how that will work.

Boston will not be better than GS with Klay back. Not even sure they will be better than GS without Klay. Lakers maybe, maybe not.