What do we do about Kyle Seager?

[Duders]

Exactly!

The man hasn’t lead the team in HRs for over 4 years get him on base and let another guy collect the RBIS

I totally agree. Seag got a bomb the other night and that was nice, but a long ball once in awhile doesn't cut it in my opinion. I just don't understand why he has not put all his efforts into beating the shift. I'm a righty and I clearly recall how I could pull my arms in and punch it into right field. Seems to me that it shouldn't be so difficult for Kyle to beat the shift more than he has been. They've had his number now for a few years so you'd think he'd make it more of a priority. His attempts for the occaisional long ball just don't cut it.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Seager is one smart business man... He sold us fools gold... He could sell ice to an eskimo....

On the flip side, his contract agreement seemed relatively fair at the time. He was a 26 year old coming off of an All-Star season. Unfortunately for us the contract was pretty backloaded.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Since it's a rebuild, I'd say keep playing Seager and as bad as it is at least he's earning a pay check even if he doesn't deserve it. The Rizzo kid needs another 2 to 3 yrs so no need to rush him up.

I agree and I'm unsure that Rizzo is even a realistic long-term solution. When there isn't any any internal replacement currently available, I figure we're better off paying Seager to show up and hope something changes than just pay him to go home.

 

[MarinersBestFan]

Oompa Lumpa K. Seager batting in the 8 hole in tonites line up.

Servais must be moonlighting with remedial math classes on the long road trips.

$18mil a yr for a guy who will never get a sniff of .215 again after 100 AB's in any season

see you boys next year ... thats my 1 time post

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Trade him for a bag of Sour Cream and Onion Doritos, I heard those are ultra rare (the green bag) so we should make the move happen asap if that is the case. The Doritos can be circulated among the team which should boost morale to win a few more games in 2020.

Jokes aside, I wanted Seagar and Haniger gone last year... neither of these guys were going to be part of a winning org/rebuild and we could've gotten a decent haul early last year for both of them. Now we'll get jack shit.

 

[Duders]

Trade him for a bag of Sour Cream and Onion Doritos, I heard those are ultra rare (the green bag) so we should make the move happen asap if that is the case. The Doritos can be circulated among the team which should boost morale to win a few more games in 2020.

Jokes aside, I wanted Seagar and Haniger gone last year... neither of these guys were going to be part of a winning org/rebuild and we could've gotten a decent haul early last year for both of them. Now we'll get jack shit.

I'll take TIM'S sea salt and vinegar chips any day though the sour cream and onion Doritos sound pretty good right now.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I'll take TIM'S sea salt and vinegar chips any day though the sour cream and onion Doritos sound pretty good right now.

Doubt anyone would trade Tim's Cascade for him, but I like your optimistic approach! Best we go foreign or expired with the sour cream/onion Doritos at this point =\

 

[wazzu31]

On the flip side, his contract agreement seemed relatively fair at the time. He was a 26 year old coming off of an All-Star season. Unfortunately for us the contract was pretty backloaded.

This is the shitty thing. As soon as he inked his deal GM’s in baseball went all analytical. It isn’t a good investment anymore to pay out of your ass for a guy who is just an all star. If he is top as his position, sure but as much as we all loved him he was never the best 3B.

 

[seahawksfan234]

This is the shitty thing. As soon as he inked his deal GM’s in baseball went all analytical. It isn’t a good investment anymore to pay out of your ass for a guy who is just an all star. If he is top as his position, sure but as much as we all loved him he was never the best 3B.

Hard to say. His contract was for 7 years at $100m total which is an average of $14.5m per year. That would make him the 7th highest paid 3B this year (by average per year) if the contract wasn't backloaded. Back then I think there was a strong argument that he was a top-10 third baseman, so I don't think it was all that ridiculous back then.

I don't think anyone anticipated he'd fall off like this.

 

[wazzu31]

Hard to say. His contract was for 7 years at $100m total which is an average of $14.5m per year. That would make him the 7th highest paid 3B this year (by average per year) if the contract wasn't backloaded. Back then I think there was a strong argument that he was a top-10 third baseman, so I don't think it was all that ridiculous back then.

I don't think anyone anticipated he'd fall off like this.

But looking at all of the highest paid 3B, all have better careers or have been more impactful that Seager was. I don’t blame Jack Z at all for the signing of Seager and Felix. Both deals at the time were great at the time and were applauded by most baseball folks, except the trend started going in reverse. Now, except Harper and Machado, it seems the trend is going for more NFL style contracts where you ink a deal for whatever but it is really a two year with club options and eventually player options.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Bottom line your stuck with him until this contract is done, granted sooner or later ownership will get pissed paying a guy that is collecting a paycheck on the DL most of every season and say “screw it let’s eat the money and cut him!”

 

[seahawksfan234]

But looking at all of the highest paid 3B, all have better careers or have been more impactful that Seager was. I don’t blame Jack Z at all for the signing of Seager and Felix. Both deals at the time were great at the time and were applauded by most baseball folks, except the trend started going in reverse. Now, except Harper and Machado, it seems the trend is going for more NFL style contracts where you ink a deal for whatever but it is really a two year with club options and eventually player options.

I think it's wise that franchises are doing this. There's more that can go wrong than can go right by handing out a Albert Pujols, Robinson Cano, Prince Fielder, Josh Hamilton type contract to a guy in their 30s. I think Machado and Harper were exceptions due to their age and possible potential to get even better.

If it were up to me I'd rather give a free agent a front loaded contract that pays them a premium while they're still good than a backloaded one. Cano's decline and the return aside, moving most of his contract off the books before he started to get worse with age was a really smart move by the Mariners.

 

[wazzu31]

I think it's wise that franchises are doing this. There's more that can go wrong than can go right by handing out a Albert Pujols, Robinson Cano, Prince Fielder, Josh Hamilton type contract to a guy in their 30s. I think Machado and Harper were exceptions due to their age and possible potential to get even better.

If it were up to me I'd rather give a free agent a front loaded contract that pays them a premium while they're still good than a backloaded one. Cano's decline and the return aside, moving most of his contract off the books before he started to get worse with age was a really smart move by the Mariners.

Without question I think what GM’s are doing is what should be done, just the Mariners resigned Felix, Seager and Cano in that window right before nearly every GM switched from just overpaying baseball players for their production because they get paid squat in their first 6 years.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Without question I think what GM’s are doing is what should be done, just the Mariners resigned Felix, Seager and Cano in that window right before nearly every GM switched from just overpaying baseball players for their production because they get paid squat in their first 6 years.

Sucks for us because (1) We did that right before GMs stopped doing that and (2) In 2014 I don't think anyone would've anticipated that in 2019, Seager would be hitting below his weight and that Felix would have a 6.52 ERA.

As you mentioned, both seemed like good deals back then. Couldn't have gone any worse for us with those two.

 

[wazzu31]

Sucks for us because (1) We did that right before GMs stopped doing that and (2) In 2014 I don't think anyone would've anticipated that in 2019, Seager would be hitting below his weight and that Felix would have a 6.52 ERA.

As you mentioned, both seemed like good deals back then. Couldn't have gone any worse for us with those two.

Well ya, it’s kind of Mariners luck. Seager should be in the prime of his career and though Felix had a crap ton of innings on him but it’s rare a guy goes from being one of the top pitchers in the game to completely crap. The other real comparable guy I can think of is Johan Santana. I know Sabathia gets lumped together with Felix but I wouldn’t compare them because as much as I love Felix, CC evolved.

 

[Duders]

Well ya, it’s kind of Mariners luck. Seager should be in the prime of his career and though Felix had a crap ton of innings on him but it’s rare a guy goes from being one of the top pitchers in the game to completely crap. The other real comparable guy I can think of is Johan Santana. I know Sabathia gets lumped together with Felix but I wouldn’t compare them because as much as I love Felix, CC evolved.

It seems to me that Dipoto and Servais are not particularly fond of Felix, and Felix is not particularly fond of the dynamic duo either. It's sad that Felix spent his entire career with floundering M's teams when he was a super star and never had the opportunity to play for a team in a post season game or possibly even pitch in a World Series. The article in the Seattle Times today pretty much was Felix sharing his feelings about his career in Seattle and that he's hoping he has another couple years somewhere in the majors. The King's Court will be missed just as much as Felix's great pitching years. Just a sad ending with the Mariner's organization and sad ending for Felix.

 

[mcnabb7542]

It seems to me that Dipoto and Servais are not particularly fond of Felix, and Felix is not particularly fond of the dynamic duo either. It's sad that Felix spent his entire career with floundering M's teams when he was a super star and never had the opportunity to play for a team in a post season game or possibly even pitch in a World Series. The article in the Seattle Times today pretty much was Felix sharing his feelings about his career in Seattle and that he's hoping he has another couple years somewhere in the majors. The King's Court will be missed just as much as Felix's great pitching years. Just a sad ending with the Mariner's organization and sad ending for Felix.

I think at some point the front office has to make the decision of getting every vet out and letting the kids come up and play to make fans fall in love with a "new hero" . Franchise needs to be cleaned up and out, fans only have the 95 team and the teams up to 2001 to hang their hats on. That needs to change and to do that they have to be the villain.

And to be fair to Jerry it ain't on him they couldn't field a winning team around Felix cause Jerry wasn't here in Felix's prime.

I do question Felix's heart in all this, there is a reason Jerry and Scotty act about him, but there has to be a behind the scene's issue they had with him to cause this riff.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Well ya, it’s kind of Mariners luck. Seager should be in the prime of his career and though Felix had a crap ton of innings on him but it’s rare a guy goes from being one of the top pitchers in the game to completely crap. The other real comparable guy I can think of is Johan Santana. I know Sabathia gets lumped together with Felix but I wouldn’t compare them because as much as I love Felix, CC evolved.

Especially that quickly. Even with all of the innings on his arm I figured the worst case scenario when he signed the contract was that by the end of it he would be a middle of the rotation type arm. One of the strange things with Felix is that in addition to his velocity dropping his control fell off the roof as well. I do hope if someone gives him a chance next year he's able to reinvent himself.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I think at some point the front office has to make the decision of getting every vet out and letting the kids come up and play to make fans fall in love with a "new hero" . Franchise needs to be cleaned up and out, fans only have the 95 team and the teams up to 2001 to hang their hats on. That needs to change and to do that they have to be the villain.

And to be fair to Jerry it ain't on him they couldn't field a winning team around Felix cause Jerry wasn't here in Felix's prime.

I do question Felix's heart in all this, there is a reason Jerry and Scotty act about him, but there has to be a behind the scene's issue they had with him to cause this riff.

I don't think any professional athlete ever wants to hang up their cleats and my biggest issue with Felix was he had been public about not wanting to make any adjustments. With the team suddenly so focused on analytics and Felix refusing to change - albeit he did throw his curve more this year with mixed results - I can somewhat understand why the front office has soured on him.

 

[SeattleCoug]

Trading him I don't think is on the table with that option unless you are forking over a lot of $$ or attaching him with something more attractive.

It seems like a sunk cost either way so I don't mind cutting ties completely but I don't see that happening. However I have given up thinking he will rebound. I don't care what kind of shape he is in or how he trains. This is similar to the Felix conversation. You can just see the mentality, the body language and the look on his face. No amount of weights or diets is gonna change that.

I however hope they don't peg him as a starter next year and maybe keep him around at the utility guy. Move him around to 2nd, SS or wherever if needed.