2016 re-draft

[PhoenixEagles1]

It was honestly about the play call change from a boring conservative curl to an aggressive play that won the game and showed Dak can do it if asked. The Eagles part was just a bonus...

OK, not trying to take anything away from Dak but completing a bomb against last years depleted Eagles secondary is something of fully expect you to complete.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

“Stats don’t matter. And centers aren’t important”

PE1

1. I think it was Jarntt who just said stats don’t matter
2. Centers are important. Just not as important as a lot of other positions

 

[Manster7588]

I wasn’t comparing all pro to MVP and the number of votes has absolutely nothing to do with the point. Maybe that’s why you’re struggling because I’m not even comparing the two. Let me break it down to your ability...

1. Is All Pro a prestigious award? YES
2. Is MVP and even more prestigious award for just one player? YES
3. Does the number of people who vote matter? No
4. Can one voter making one vote make someone look better then they are? Absolutely

Get it now?

You brought up a guy getting ONE AllPro vote out of 1298 votes to counter Dak getting 1 out of 50 MVP votes.
You often make these moronic comparisons do I shouldn't be shocked at this one.

As for item #3 both Pro Bowl and MVP have the same number of voters, big difference is in the MVP race the vote once while in the Pro bowl vote the vote twice for safeties. So what are the chances you guy Mikell gets ZERO vote if the guy who voted for him only had one vote?

Only one struggling here is you.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

You brought up a guy getting ONE AllPro vote out of 1298 votes to counter Dak getting 1 out of 50 MVP votes.
You often make these moronic comparisons do I shouldn't be shocked at this one.

As for item #3 both Pro Bowl and MVP have the same number of voters, big difference is in the MVP race the vote once while in the Pro bowl vote the vote twice for safeties. So what are the chances you guy Mikell gets ZERO vote if the guy who voted for him only had one vote?

Only one struggling here is you.

Bro, here you go over analyzing again. A point was being made. Yes, the MVP award is harder and more elite. Why do you always have to be so difficult and act like an example has to be completely identical. The examples show one persons vote can change things dramatically. Again, the number of votes or people voting has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the freaking point. But I’ll drop it because you can never... under any circumstances say “My bad”
You’re one of those kids where your Mom yells “Who ate all the donuts” and youre sitting their with powdered sugar all over your face crying “It wasn’t me”

 

[Manster7588]

All I’m saying is I’ve never once heard that Dak has a good arm. Neither has any of the non Cowboy fans. I thought it was common knowledge.

Go read his draft profiles. His arm strength is listed as a positive. His accuracy was questioned and a reason he was seen as a 2 to 3 year project.

So far in the NFL his accuracy has been pretty good.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Go read his draft profiles. His arm strength is listed as a positive. His accuracy was questioned and a reason he was seen as a 2 to 3 year project.

So far in the NFL his accuracy has been pretty good.

Like I said... Dak is a good QB who has the tools to take Dallas far. The minute he started Dallas drastically changed their style of play. I was under the impression and a lot of others too is that Dak is a really good system QB but of average arm talent. It’s definitely not just me who thinks this so you have a lot of opinions to change out there
For shits and giggles I need to go read my old draft magazines. You know how I love me some Lindys!

 

[PDay8810]

This just speaks more to how missing Zeke for 6 games affected his season.

Bull Shit, unless Zeke played left tackle...but it fits your selective usage of stats and why you can't see the forest for the trees with regards to your OSU homer views

You are aware Morris ran for an 4.8 YPC while Elliott was 4.1 for the season

Dak was killed his first game without Elliott when they played Atlanta (27-7 loss). 8 sacks and countless hits on the QB. It was perhaps the worst I've ever seen a line play in Dallas. Left tackle T. Smith missed the game and it was a turnstile from the first snap. It absolutely shook the QB in his 2nd season for a few weeks. This was far and away the reason why Dak throw 5 ints in two games to follow....thats 5 outta his 13 for the season in two games without an all pro tackle. No Elliott my ass!

Philly (37-9 loss)...4 more sacks and again countless hits on the QB resulted in 3 INTs. No Elliott my ass!

Chargers (28-6 loss)...Rivers was on fire and shredded the pass defense 27 for 33 for 434 and 3TD's. Prescoot saced 2 times and flushed several times still managed 20-27 but had no TD passes and 2 INTs. No Elliott my ass!

Lets forget the next two games (Both Wins) cause those sure don't support your narrative.
11-22 93.4 rating with 2 TD's and no INTS (Morris ran for 127 yards) (No Elliott my ass!)
20-30 137.1 rating with 3 TD;s and no INTs (No Elliott my ass!)

Last game without Elliott...Oakland, a win but it was the raiders. Morris only ran for 61 yards and Dak had two picks, 2 sacks and a 59.5 passer rating. This one game would be perhaps the one game Elliott coulda made an impact...but a win is a win

First game with Elliott back...Seattle (21-12 loss) The Home game that kept Dallas from making the playoffs. Dak 21 for 34 for 181, 2 picks and 4 sacks. Elliott did run for 97 on 24 carries but Dez had a huge 2nd half fumble that turned a close game, Elloitt didn't save Dak here.

Fact remains....subpar oline play and Dez Bryants regression as a receiver had more to do with Dallas winning 9 games and missing the playoffs than a 2nd year QB throwing 13 INTs in 16 games with a rating of 86.6. Not to mention the cloud the Elliott situation had on this team that season.

spin it how you will, face palm this post but you are flat out wrong that Dak's play slipped cause Elliott sat out 6 games

 

[Manster7588]

Bro, here you go over analyzing again. A point was being made. Yes, the MVP award is harder and more elite. Why do you always have to be so difficult and act like an example has to be completely identical. The examples show one persons vote can change things dramatically. Again, the number of votes or people voting has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the freaking point. But I’ll drop it because you can never... under any circumstances say “My bad”
You’re one of those kids where your Mom yells “Who ate all the donuts” and youre sitting their with powdered sugar all over your face crying “It wasn’t me”

Calling your Apples to Oranges comparison Bullahit isn't over analyzing, its calling your Bullshit Bullshit.

 

[PDay8810]

LOL ok. Baker was unquestionably one of the best leaders in the NFL last year, and that was as a rookie. You've got to be kidding me with this garbage.

not at all....give it some time. Strange shit happens when things don't go his way.
Maturity is not assured with this guy

 

[Manster7588]

Like I said... Dak is a good QB who has the tools to take Dallas far. The minute he started Dallas drastically changed their style of play. I was under the impression and a lot of others too is that Dak is a really good system QB but of average arm talent. It’s definitely not just me who thinks this so you have a lot of opinions to change out there
For shits and giggles I need to go read my old draft magazines. You know how I love me some Lindys!

So what did your draft magazines have to say on the matter?

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Calling your Apples to Oranges comparison Bullahit isn't over analyzing, its calling your Bullshit Bullshit.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

So what did your draft magazines have to say on the matter?

Didn’t look yet but I’ll let you know. I do remember one saying, “Can’t miss prospect” on that RB Cleveland took with a top 5 pick a few years ago. What’s his name? Uuuugh, I’m getting old.

*Trent Richardson

 

[Manster7588]

Bull Shit, unless Zeke played left tackle...but it fits your selective usage of stats and why you can't see the forest for the trees with regards to your OSU homer views

You are aware Morris ran for an 4.8 YPC while Elliott was 4.1 for the season

Dak was killed his first game without Elliott when they played Atlanta (27-7 loss). 8 sacks and countless hits on the QB. It was perhaps the worst I've ever seen a line play in Dallas. Left tackle T. Smith missed the game and it was a turnstile from the first snap. It absolutely shook the QB in his 2nd season for a few weeks. This was far and away the reason why Dak throw 5 ints in two games to follow....thats 5 outta his 13 for the season in two games without an all pro tackle. No Elliott my ass!

Philly (37-9 loss)...4 more sacks and again countless hits on the QB resulted in 3 INTs. No Elliott my ass!

Chargers (28-6 loss)...Rivers was on fire and shredded the pass defense 27 for 33 for 434 and 3TD's. Prescoot saced 2 times and flushed several times still managed 20-27 but had no TD passes and 2 INTs. No Elliott my ass!

Lets forget the next two games (Both Wins) cause those sure don't support your narrative.
11-22 93.4 rating with 2 TD's and no INTS (Morris ran for 127 yards) (No Elliott my ass!)
20-30 137.1 rating with 3 TD;s and no INTs (No Elliott my ass!)

Last game without Elliott...Oakland, a win but it was the raiders. Morris only ran for 61 yards and Dak had two picks, 2 sacks and a 59.5 passer rating. This one game would be perhaps the one game Elliott coulda made an impact...but a win is a win

First game with Elliott back...Seattle (21-12 loss) The Home game that kept Dallas from making the playoffs. Dak 21 for 34 for 181, 2 picks and 4 sacks. Elliott did run for 97 on 24 carries but Dez had a huge 2nd half fumble that turned a close game, Elloitt didn't save Dak here.

Fact remains....subpar oline play and Dez Bryants regression as a receiver had more to do with Dallas winning 9 games and missing the playoffs than a 2nd year QB throwing 13 INTs in 16 games with a rating of 86.6. Not to mention the cloud the Elliott situation had on this team that season.

spin it how you will, face palm this post but you are flat out wrong that Dak's play slipped cause Elliott sat out 6 games

You can explain this to them but they won't listen. Odds are they told themselves and or listened to the media how Zeke missing was the nail all before he started his suspension, and never watched a snap of any game Zeke was out.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

I'm not being sarcastic here: That can't possibly be true, can it? I'm not surprised to see good numbers from Dak because I actually watch him and don't go by this crap that's being tossed around that he can't throw the ball downfield just because he and Gallup didn't connect a couple of times and people who don't watch the games don't see the throws he does make. But is Wentz really that horrible throwing downfield? I think that stat is incorrect because that is Tebow shit right there.

I got it straight off the gen stats.

 

[jarntt]

I got it straight off the gen stats.

Wow, not saying this just to dig Philly fans because it's Wentz. That's friggin pathetic. Dude needs to work on his deep ball. What was Foles? Maybe that's part of why they got better once Wentz got hurt?

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Wow, not saying this just to dig Philly fans because it's Wentz. That's friggin pathetic. Dude needs to work on his deep ball. What was Foles? Maybe that's part of why they got better once Wentz got hurt?

Wentz was green on the left & as you could see red in the other two.
Foles was the exact opposite (dont have #'s right now) but was red on the left & green in both middle & right, which i figure green is a score of over 95. Dont know the real cutoff # between colors however.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

OK, not trying to take anything away from Dak but completing a bomb against last years depleted Eagles secondary is something of fully expect you to complete.

Well Dallas won both games. So obviously they didnt need to complete a Long bomb to win.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Go read his draft profiles. His arm strength is listed as a positive. His accuracy was questioned and a reason he was seen as a 2 to 3 year project.

So far in the NFL his accuracy has been pretty good.

Wow you go straight for the gut with that blade with some of these posts. You make some sharp points on a few things in this thread that would normally just make a person stop arguing about the point. Instead we have to watch him slowly bleed out.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Wow you go straight for the gut with that blade with some of these posts. You make some sharp points on a few things in this thread that would normally just make a person stop arguing about the point. Instead we have to watch him slowly bleed out.

Me, the other non Cowboy fans and the rest the f the football watching nation is slowly bleeding out. We are all wrong and Manster is right. We’re you Cowboy fans saying this last year when many of you were asking him to be benched?

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Well Dallas won both games. So obviously they didnt need to complete a Long bomb to win.

They just needed a fluke guaranteed pick 6 TD that ricocheted right into their hands. God awful pass by Dak during his best game as a pro. Don’t forget the highway robbery of the fumble that was given back to them.